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Actually, it's mentioned first in Exodus, chapter 16, and codified in Exodus 20. And in Exodus 31:16, it is written "The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant."
In the New Testament, this account is found in all the gospels:
One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain.
The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"
He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need?
In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."
Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
(Mark 2:23-28 NIV)
And in the gospel of John, Jesus in effect stated that the true Sabbath had not yet happened:
The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him.
Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working."
For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
(John 5:15-18 NIV)
Just a note - the Sabbath was reckoned as the 7th day of the week; i.e. Saturday. (In Spanish, 'Sabado' is Saturday).
Christ rose from the dead on Sunday (Mark 16:9), i.e. the first day of the week. And in the New Testament, the Christian church began meeting on the first day of the week (read the book of Acts). Sunday was never designated as the Sabbath in scripture, in spite of later church history.
So when you offer a "Sabbath Day test" what exactly are you referring to?
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In the New Testament, this account is found in all the gospels:
One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain.
The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"
He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need?
In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."
Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
(Mark 2:23-28 NIV)
And in the gospel of John, Jesus in effect stated that the true Sabbath had not yet happened:
The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him.
Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working."
For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
(John 5:15-18 NIV)
Just a note - the Sabbath was reckoned as the 7th day of the week; i.e. Saturday. (In Spanish, 'Sabado' is Saturday).
Christ rose from the dead on Sunday (Mark 16:9), i.e. the first day of the week. And in the New Testament, the Christian church began meeting on the first day of the week (read the book of Acts). Sunday was never designated as the Sabbath in scripture, in spite of later church history.
So when you offer a "Sabbath Day test" what exactly are you referring to?
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well then i have no idea, i've never really studied it that much. but may i ask what the purpose of this thread is? i know that sounds like i'm saying that this thread is pointless, but i'm not. I just don't know how to say it another way. and i am just a little confused as to what you mean by "test" and why you asked us to prove you wrong.
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The purpose of this thread is to show the true spiritual meaning of the Sabbath and how it is vital to the foundation of the Bible. How it shows that the natural man was here on day six and that Adam was not the only man on earth at the time. If we understand this day, mankind can indeed begin to "come out of her" as stated in Revelation.
Peace be to you
john5;
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
rev;
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
john;
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
We see a new earth and heaven created here(prepared)curious where your going with this isreal
Love a friend in God
john5;
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
rev;
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
john;
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
We see a new earth and heaven created here(prepared)curious where your going with this isreal
Love a friend in God
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Peace be to you
john5;
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
rev;
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
john;
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
We see a new earth and heaven created here(prepared)curious where your going with this isreal
Love a friend in God
john5;
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
rev;
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
john;
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
We see a new earth and heaven created here(prepared)curious where your going with this isreal
Love a friend in God
Is it really nicely said? If we are to believe as Israel says, then Christ is not needed, salvation is a matter of resting from judgment of others based upon religion. If we believe in this way, we have not only condemned ourselves to eternal punishment, but those who God might have saved by speaking through us.
This is a delusion, and not even a particularly strong one.
The sabbath as God instituted it for the children of Israel was not to rest from the work of imagery, but to rest from all work.
This is a delusion, and not even a particularly strong one.
The sabbath as God instituted it for the children of Israel was not to rest from the work of imagery, but to rest from all work.
I don’t think there are any deep hidden truths regarding the Sabbath. If we don’t get a day of rest each week, we get tired and depressed. It’s a common sense thing, isn’t it?
If some emergency pops up on your day of rest, you are free to take care of the emergency and get your rest later.
If some emergency pops up on your day of rest, you are free to take care of the emergency and get your rest later.
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I think the rest of God was on the seventh day. It spoke of the rest to come for the people of god, in Christ, where we would cease from our own works, and I dont believe we have fully come into this truth or reality or understanding of it. But i do believe that God is going to emphasize the sabbath in these end times (He has been in our church at the lately, we are a prophetic church, and He has been on us about it for a now). I personally observe a day of sabbath rest based on the 7th day (I dont work but focus on God and His will and whats important to Him) which was not given just to israel to observe but shows something of the nature of God, and I believe it is a very important thing to Him, and it honors Him when we observe it - opposed to the sabbaths given to israel in the ceremonial laws of course, although i believe that every law and ritual and ceremony and command that God gave israel has direct spiritual relevance and meaning to us as Christians. I also dont like the idea of the sabbath day which was observed by the jews for thousands of years being changed by the catholic church to "Sunday" the lords day, as if they have the spiritual authority to bring such a change. if jesus died on friday and rose again on sunday then he wasnt in the grave for 3 whole days... weird.
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Hebrews 4
1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“ So I swore in My wrath,
‘ They shall not enter My rest,’”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,
7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“ Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“ So I swore in My wrath,
‘ They shall not enter My rest,’”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,
7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“ Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Actually, we can see even from the Scriptures that Christians are not bound to the Sabbath. ( Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10). We also have records from Christians dating all the way back to the first century, indicating that they worshiped on the day of Our Lord's resurrection.
It is interesting to note that Ignatius of Antioch was taught the gospel by John the Apostle himself, along with Polycarp
These are just a few quotes, there's dozens more from within the first few centuries that indicate that the earliest Christians worshiped on Sunday, the Lord's day. If you'd like, I can continue. But for me, the fact that we have a student of John the Apostle himself indicating that the Early Christian Church worshiped on Sunday is enough for me.
It is interesting to note that Ignatius of Antioch was taught the gospel by John the Apostle himself, along with Polycarp
These are just a few quotes, there's dozens more from within the first few centuries that indicate that the earliest Christians worshiped on Sunday, the Lord's day. If you'd like, I can continue. But for me, the fact that we have a student of John the Apostle himself indicating that the Early Christian Church worshiped on Sunday is enough for me.
Peace be to you
I disagree,We are to rest from are sinful nature and the works of it,gal;
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.If we crucifie the actions of the flesh,(No longer do them) We enter God s rest
I was a sinner,commiting all the flesh sins above and God started a work in me giving me ears to hear and eyes to see and thus healing me threw Jesus christ whom now is the cause of my belief and faith.
True religion is this;To visit the fatherless and the wido's in there afliction and stay unspotted.
Quot
.Yet we segregate ourselves based on our religious beliefs. For both the Christian and the Muslim believes!
The scriture is clear LOVE GOD with all your heart mind and soul and strength First,Then love your nieghbor as yourself.
How does a christian and muslim differ?I dont know what muslims believe.
Love a friend in God
I disagree,We are to rest from are sinful nature and the works of it,gal;
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.If we crucifie the actions of the flesh,(No longer do them) We enter God s rest
I was a sinner,commiting all the flesh sins above and God started a work in me giving me ears to hear and eyes to see and thus healing me threw Jesus christ whom now is the cause of my belief and faith.
True religion is this;To visit the fatherless and the wido's in there afliction and stay unspotted.
Quot
.Yet we segregate ourselves based on our religious beliefs. For both the Christian and the Muslim believes!
The scriture is clear LOVE GOD with all your heart mind and soul and strength First,Then love your nieghbor as yourself.
How does a christian and muslim differ?I dont know what muslims believe.
Love a friend in God