the Sabbath

[vassal]

Absolutely correct.

Circumcision is the initiation into the law, babies are circumcised on the eight day.

Circumcision is another name for the Jews.

Jesus was only sent to the circumcised.

The law was given to the circumcised at Mt Sinai.

Romans 3:3
Then what advantage does the Jew have? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 Great in every respect. First, that they were entrusted with the actual words of God.

Paul is talking to the Jews in Rome.

Below, the two distinct people are identified.

Romans 3:30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

"will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith"

It would be easy for me to prove you wrong, do you want me to prove to you that god said that the gentiles also must follow the commandments? why do we have to argue about the commandments, they are obviously for everyone and forever. Why to do you claim to believe in GOD and yet you refuse do do his will This will be my very last try to bring you to Christ's teachings.

 

[TMS]

When Gentiles thus "joined themselves to the Lord" they ceased being Gentiles and became proselytes to the Jewish religion. They kept the Sabbath AS JEWISH PROSELYTES, NOT as Gentiles.

We are to join ourselves to Jesus.
By faith we too become children of Abraham and children of the father.
We are all one in Christ. So we all keep the law or we all forget the law... no division.

Eph 4:4-5
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Rom 3:29-31
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rom 11:16-17
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

We are Israelites by faith.

 

[Magenta]

Did God leave them or did they choose to depart themselves?

John 6:37 plus John 10:28

 

[Magenta]

Christ was clear he said the law and commands would never change;

Yes, the law remains to condemn those not covered by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.

Fot them there is no condemnation. However, those who have put themselves back under the law have fallen from grace.

Galatians 5:1

 

[Magenta]

Hebrews 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

^ So much for the law not ever changing

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The law of the priesthood is a different covenant than the Ten Commandments. The priesthood was part of the law of Moses and the law had to change because previously the priesthood came from the tribe of Levi but Jesus came from the tribe of Judah so in order for Jesus to be our High Priest in the New Covenant the law of the priesthood had to change and this is the law Heb 7 is referring to and you can read all about it in Hebrews 7.

Hebrews 7:28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

 

[Magenta]

The law of the priesthood is a different covenant than the Ten Commandments. The priesthood was part of the law of Moses and the law had to change because previously the priesthood came from the tribe of Levi but Jesus came from the tribe of Judah so in order for Jesus to be our High Priest in the New Covenant the law of the priesthood had to change and this is the law Heb 7 is referring to and you can read all about it in Hebrews 7.

Hebrews 7:28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

1 Peter 2:4-5

 

[Inquisitor]

Thats right we are all justified through faith, those with faith uphold His law. Romans 3:31

That's precisely where you make your mistake.

Romans 3:31
31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Clearly Paul is establishing for the circumcised, the law, which clearly identifies the Jews as hypocrites.

Romans 2:24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.

The law has one purpose only the declaration of your sinfulness.

The law cannot restrain your sinful desires and passions, the law merely points out the sin.

The law notifies you of sin but cannot help you to stop it.

Shall we have sinful thoughts like murder, adultery, theft, well we will anyway under the law.

Can the law stop those thoughts?

Of course the law cannot stop your evil thoughts and desires.

We walk with the Holy Spirit and let the Holy Spirit transform us from within.

 

[Magenta]

The law cannot restrain your sinful desires and passions, the law merely points out the sin.

Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong
to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. For when
we lived according to the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies,
bearing fruit for death. But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law,
so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Romans 7:4-6

 

[SabbathBlessing]

That's precisely where you make your mistake.

Romans 3:31
31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Clearly Paul is establishing for the circumcised, the law, which clearly identifies the Jews as hypocrites.

Romans 2:24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.

The law has one purpose only the declaration of your sinfulness.

The law cannot restrain your sinful desires and passions, the law merely points out the sin.

The law notifies you of sin but cannot help you to stop it.

Shall we have sinful thoughts like murder, adultery, theft, well we will anyway under the law.

Can the law stop those thoughts?

Of course the law cannot stop your evil thoughts and desires.

We walk with the Holy Spirit and let the Holy Spirit transform us from within.

No one said the law retains your sinful desires, all the law does it show us our sin Rom 7:7 and reveals our condition. Romans 3:20

Without the law we would walk in darkness and not even know it by covering our sins. Pro 28:13 John 3:18-20

The law exposes our condition and our need for Jesus and only He can change us from the inside out, through Him we can keep His law John 14:15-18 thats why we need the faith of Jesus and why faith upholds the law Romans 3:31 James 1:22-24

When one keep the law, its an outward expression that Jesus has changed us from the inside out and this is the result:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

The law is kept not to be saved, but a consequence of faith. How does one have the faith of Jesus but not believe in what He taught and lived. We need to follow Him and follow His example He left for us 1 Peter 2:21-22, 1 John 2:6 Heb 4:15

 

[vassal]

Hebrews 7:12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

^ So much for the law not ever changing

yes the law of Moses not the commandments, please research this i urge you.

 

[vassal]

Seven-day human biological rhythms: An expedition in search of their origin, synchronization, functional advantage, adaptive value and clinical relevance

Interesting article, link below;
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07420528.2016.1236807

 

[rrcn]

Here we are on page 75 and two sides have emerged regarding the Law of God and the Sabbath of Creation which have been discussed in detail. I have chosen to keep the seventh day Sabbath in obedience to God's law and I am grateful that the Sabbath was made for man.
Then I had the thought: Why wouldn't a Christian decide not to observe the Sabbath given to man at creation?

I plugged the question into an AI (Opera's Aria) and got the following response:

List the five most common reasons that people give for not keeping the seventh day sabbath . . .

1. Cultural or societal norms: Some individuals may not keep the seventh day Sabbath due to the influence of the dominant culture or societal expectations, which may prioritize other activities or observances on that day.
2. Lack of awareness: Some people may not keep the seventh day Sabbath simply because they are not aware of its significance or the religious teachings that support its observance.
3. Personal convenience: For some individuals, the seventh day Sabbath may conflict with personal or professional commitments, leading them to prioritize other activities or work over observing the Sabbath.
4. Different religious beliefs: People from different religious backgrounds may have different interpretations of the Sabbath or follow different religious practices, leading them to not observe the seventh day Sabbath according to certain traditions or teachings.
5. Interpretation of religious texts: Some individuals may interpret religious texts differently and may not find the specific injunction to observe the seventh day Sabbath as compelling or applicable to their personal beliefs or religious practices.

Looking for a little more detail
The next question was : Reasons for not keeping the Sabbath

Several cultural traditions and practices may interfere with Christian seventh-day Sabbath observance. Some of these include:

1. Work schedules: In some cultures, work commitments and schedules may not align with the Christian Sabbath, leading to conflicts and making it difficult for individuals to observe the day of rest and worship.
2. Social activities: Cultural norms and traditions may prioritize social gatherings, events, or recreational activities on the Sabbath day, making it challenging for individuals to set aside time for rest and religious observance.
3. Family expectations: Certain cultural traditions may emphasize family gatherings, celebrations, or obligations on the Sabbath day, creating conflicts for those who seek to observe the day as a time of spiritual reflection and rest.
4. Community events: Cultural festivals, community events, or local traditions may be scheduled on the Sabbath day, potentially conflicting with Christian Sabbath observance and making it challenging for individuals to fully participate in their faith practices.
5. Religious diversity: In multicultural societies, individuals may face challenges in observing the Christian Sabbath due to the influence of different religious beliefs and practices that prioritize other days of the week for religious observance and activities.

These cultural traditions and practices can present obstacles for individuals seeking to observe the Christian seventh-day Sabbath in accordance with their religious beliefs.

I faced an employment problem when I became a Sabbath keeping Christian. I worked for the US Postal Service as a mail distribution clerk and requested that I be allowed an accommodation for Sabbath hours which was approved. They honored this for many years.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Here we are on page 75 and two sides have emerged regarding the Law of God and the Sabbath of Creation which have been discussed in detail. I have chosen to keep the seventh day Sabbath in obedience to God's law and I am grateful that the Sabbath was made for man.
Then I had the thought: Why wouldn't a Christian decide not to observe the Sabbath given to man at creation?

I plugged the question into an AI (Opera's Aria) and got the following response:

List the five most common reasons that people give for not keeping the seventh day sabbath . . .

1. Cultural or societal norms: Some individuals may not keep the seventh day Sabbath due to the influence of the dominant culture or societal expectations, which may prioritize other activities or observances on that day.
2. Lack of awareness: Some people may not keep the seventh day Sabbath simply because they are not aware of its significance or the religious teachings that support its observance.
3. Personal convenience: For some individuals, the seventh day Sabbath may conflict with personal or professional commitments, leading them to prioritize other activities or work over observing the Sabbath.
4. Different religious beliefs: People from different religious backgrounds may have different interpretations of the Sabbath or follow different religious practices, leading them to not observe the seventh day Sabbath according to certain traditions or teachings.
5. Interpretation of religious texts: Some individuals may interpret religious texts differently and may not find the specific injunction to observe the seventh day Sabbath as compelling or applicable to their personal beliefs or religious practices.

Looking for a little more detail
The next question was : Reasons for not keeping the Sabbath

Several cultural traditions and practices may interfere with Christian seventh-day Sabbath observance. Some of these include:

1. Work schedules: In some cultures, work commitments and schedules may not align with the Christian Sabbath, leading to conflicts and making it difficult for individuals to observe the day of rest and worship.
2. Social activities: Cultural norms and traditions may prioritize social gatherings, events, or recreational activities on the Sabbath day, making it challenging for individuals to set aside time for rest and religious observance.
3. Family expectations: Certain cultural traditions may emphasize family gatherings, celebrations, or obligations on the Sabbath day, creating conflicts for those who seek to observe the day as a time of spiritual reflection and rest.
4. Community events: Cultural festivals, community events, or local traditions may be scheduled on the Sabbath day, potentially conflicting with Christian Sabbath observance and making it challenging for individuals to fully participate in their faith practices.
5. Religious diversity: In multicultural societies, individuals may face challenges in observing the Christian Sabbath due to the influence of different religious beliefs and practices that prioritize other days of the week for religious observance and activities.

These cultural traditions and practices can present obstacles for individuals seeking to observe the Christian seventh-day Sabbath in accordance with their religious beliefs.

I faced an employment problem when I became a Sabbath keeping Christian. I worked for the US Postal Service as a mail distribution clerk and requested that I be allowed an accommodation for Sabbath hours which was approved. They honored this for many years.

God works miracles for us when we want to do His will. He worked one for me, so I could keep His Sabbath. We have to have room for faith and God really takes care of us.

 

[Magenta]

The main reason for not keeping the 7th day Sabbath is because it was never given to Christians in the first place. In fact, those who insist on keeping it are living in the shadows, because Christ is the reality of the Sabbath... from the beginning in Genesis, Sabbath pointed forward to Jesus and the fact that we would rest from any works in order to gain or attain salvation. Saying the Sabbath was given to man at creation cannot be supported with Scripture.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Hmmm, what does the scripture say?

God claims the Sabbath as His holy day. God only said that about the seventh day Sabbath and not once ever mentioning any change to His Sabbath. God always identifies the Sabbath as His.

Whose Sabbath is it?

Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

When did the Sabbath start?
Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
At Creation- God's perfect plan before sin- so not a shadow of anything as it points us back to the God of all Creation.

Whose holy day is it?

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

Who was the Sabbath made for:
Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

When was the Sabbath made?
Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

When was man made and in Whose image?
Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;

What did God do after He made man in His image?
Exo 20:11 Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Sabbath was made for man, man was created on the sixth day in the image of God and God rested on the Sabbath day and hallowed it. We are made to follow God and not do our own thing, that separates us from God. Isa 59:2

Who was the Sabbath made for again?

Isaiah 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
6. Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Every one of these scriptures has a thus saith the Lord. Jesus tells us to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Mat 4:4

Did you know once God blesses something as He did His holy Sabbath day that is a commandment of God,, no man can reverse. Num 23:20. Can anyone please provide one scripture that has a thus saith the Lord that we no longer need to keep God's Sabbath day holy and we can forget and profane His Sabbath by doing our own thing instead? Every thus saith the Lord in scripture and there are many, I only referenced a few all tells us to keep holy and not profane.

Paul, a servant of Christ kept every Sabbath decades after the cross preaching to both Jews and Gentiles that Jesus said was made for everyone. The apostles were commissioned to observe everything Christ commanded of them Mat 28:18-20 , which is why they kept every Sabbath faithfully, just as Jesus did Luke 4:16 John 15:10.

Acts 13: 42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

The Sabbath was changed as predicted but not by God Dan 7:25. Its up to us to continue in our false teachings or come out of them before its too late. Rev 18:4 Jesus tells us to keep the commandments of God over traditions of man. Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Only He can save us, so I recommend embracing His every Word as the Sabbath is His holy day that He made holy for us Exo 20:8-11 and continues for His saints for eternity Isa 66:23.

Jesus never turned into a day, the Sabbath, or a commandment-Why we see the Sabbath observed as the Sabbath day decades after the Cross.

 

[mailmandan]

 

[Cameron143]

Cracks me up every time.

 

[vassal]

At the end, it comes to this, we claim to be Christians but what is a Christian? we claim to believe in Jesus but what does it mean to believe in the son of GOD?

For me, to believe in Jesus, the son of GOD, who is One with GOD in Spirit, means to listen to what he says and to do what he asked us to do. In the many teachings Jesus gave us through the four Gospels, Jesus asks us to follow the Commandments if we love him. There is no doubt the Commandments are important, they are our moral compass to cherish and Follow faithfully. Remember GOD wants us to be HOLY like He is HOLY.

I judge no one here by saying the truth, but truth must be told. Not only Jesus was teaching the Commandments but also he Magnified the Commandments by teaching us how to follow them properly, he explained to us not to follow ithe commandments in the ways the pharisees followed them.

There is only one truth.

 

[Magenta]

yes the law of Moses not the commandments, please research this i urge you.

Are you aware that some of your cronies actually conflate the two? Yes, you ought to research that.