the scary history of mormonism

RedTent · Dec 26, 2012

We need to look to our own churches to be sure we take out what was decided by men and not by God. Are we listening to St Augustine, or Calvin, or Luther, or Constantine or are we listening to God?

HeavenlyWarrior · Dec 26, 2012

This may be of interest.

Hinckley says Mormons Believe in a Different Jesus|In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry:

Hinckley says Mormons Believe in a Different Jesus|In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

johnluke · Dec 30, 2012

Have you ever read anything about the fantastic stories that the Roman authorities thought the new Christians were doing. They were given eye-witness reports that the Christians took kidnapped children and in a druken, naked orgy, sacrificed these children and drank their blood. They had sex with children and animals and torchered men and women all in the name of their god in their private meetings underground in secret caves. These stories were given to the authorities by pagan priests and enemies of the Church. They influenced the authorities to crack down on Christians and persecustions took place over a 300 year period. No matter how many letters were written by reliable Church Leaders explaining the truth, persection still raged on until Constantine.

Every time in history that a group of people came together to reform the Christian Church, (believe me there were times in its history that it needed reforming) over a 2,000 year history, awful stories would be reported and authorities would rush in to stop the actions of an obviously bloody cult. Many times killing hundreds of men, women, and children, all because of a false story or a false history.

So I am telling you that the stories you will hear from the Mormons enemies may not be telling you the whole truth, so be careful to judge. Even with all the horrible stories being told, hundreds of Christians are joining the Mormon church every month around the world. So somethings going on that may be different than the story-tellers know.

I am only willing to receive my information from the source, and that source is God himself. I'm not going to listen to story-tellers, who may have their own agenda to fullfil. God will tell me the truth about things regardless of what the Mormons tell me or what the non-Mormons tell me.

schoolofyoungprophet · Jan 8, 2013

johnluke said:

Have you ever read anything about the fantastic stories that the Roman authorities thought the new Christians were doing. They were given eye-witness reports that the Christians took kidnapped children and in a druken, naked orgy, sacrificed these children and drank their blood. They had sex with children and animals and torchered men and women all in the name of their god in their private meetings underground in secret caves. These stories were given to the authorities by pagan priests and enemies of the Church. They influenced the authorities to crack down on Christians and persecustions took place over a 300 year period. No matter how many letters were written by reliable Church Leaders explaining the truth, persection still raged on until Constantine.

Every time in history that a group of people came together to reform the Christian Church, (believe me there were times in its history that it needed reforming) over a 2,000 year history, awful stories would be reported and authorities would rush in to stop the actions of an obviously bloody cult. Many times killing hundreds of men, women, and children, all because of a false story or a false history.

So I am telling you that the stories you will hear from the Mormons enemies may not be telling you the whole truth, so be careful to judge. Even with all the horrible stories being told, hundreds of Christians are joining the Mormon church every month around the world. So somethings going on that may be different than the story-tellers know.

I am only willing to receive my information from the source, and that source is God himself. I'm not going to listen to story-tellers, who may have their own agenda to fullfil. God will tell me the truth about things regardless of what the Mormons tell me or what the non-Mormons tell me.

line up scriputes and line up what mormon beleives in u will see that their teachings are wrong plus they use scriptures plus something else which i reject and God tells us to judge whats right and rong

psychomom · Jan 8, 2013

schoolofyoungprophet said:

aw, Sam, I love you.
Consider yourself officially 'adopted'.

clean sheets and towels in the linen closet.
extra down blankies in the family room.

help urself to whatever you can find to eat.
(made chicken noodle soup and fresh bread yesterday.

)
and we all have influenza, so be sure to grab some vit. C
from the kitchen cabinet!
love,
ellie

schoolofyoungprophet · Jan 11, 2013

psychomom said:

aw, Sam, I love you.
Consider yourself officially 'adopted'.

clean sheets and towels in the linen closet.
extra down blankies in the family room.

help urself to whatever you can find to eat.
(made chicken noodle soup and fresh bread yesterday.

)
and we all have influenza, so be sure to grab some vit. C
from the kitchen cabinet!
love,
ellie

lol
done psychomom
haha

JackJessee · Jan 12, 2013

I wonder just how many Christians love the Mormons enough to witness to them and pray for their salvation.

johnluke · Jan 13, 2013

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If you were to line up the scriptures, you can prove anything that you like to prove. The mormons line up the scriptures and teach their interpretation of the scriptures and people believe them. That is why hundreds of "Christians" join the mormon church each month around the world. The mormons know the Bible well and they teach the Bible well. If you were to go head to head with a learned mormon, you would find the discussion difficult, and an unbiased third party listening to the discussion may very well side with the mormon.  They are that good.

Let me give you an exampble: You would use a well know Christian scripture from Ephesians 2:8-9 which clearly says "By grace are ye saved through faith...Not of works, lest any man should boast". Now here is the foundation scripture used to prove that grace saves and not works, and alll Christians are connected to this scripture as fundamental gospel.The mormons will then use James 2:17-18 which says, " Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone, ...show me your faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works".AND then they will quote Paul 20 times that works is important and Peter and John and all the apostles of the Lord and then Jesus Christ himself 50 times that by their works will they be judged, etc, etc, etc.

You may be able to keep up for a while, but eventually the avalanche of scriptures that they line up with their interpretation will cover you.  Then they bring out the Book of Mormon and it supports their interpretaion of the Bible with many more scriptures, sothat it becomes overwhelming to the point that you start re-thinking your position.  Now you are a seasoned scriptorian and you would have a hard time holding your position.  Now think about a nominal Christian, with little knowledge.  The testimony of these nominal Christians is, "that after we were taught from the Bible, the mormons ask me to pray about these things and the Holy Spirit witnessed to me that they were true.  How do you defend against that type of teaching from the scriptures and that type  of witness from the Holy Ghost?

Lining up scriptures is not the answer, I know!

Digital_Angel_316 · Jan 19, 2013

The Book of Mormon vs The Bible,

Part 1 of an in-depth study of Latter Day Saints

Intoduction & Archeology

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U21MQSjxT8[/video]

The entire series is linked to the above post and may be found at:
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Review of the series with comments will make for a good discussion, good edification ...

schoolofyoungprophet · Jan 19, 2013

johnluke said:

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If you were to line up the scriptures, you can prove anything that you like to prove. The mormons line up the scriptures and teach their interpretation of the scriptures and people believe them. That is why hundreds of "Christians" join the mormon church each month around the world. The mormons know the Bible well and they teach the Bible well. If you were to go head to head with a learned mormon, you would find the discussion difficult, and an unbiased third party listening to the discussion may very well side with the mormon.  They are that good.

Let me give you an exampble: You would use a well know Christian scripture from Ephesians 2:8-9 which clearly says "By grace are ye saved through faith...Not of works, lest any man should boast". Now here is the foundation scripture used to prove that grace saves and not works, and alll Christians are connected to this scripture as fundamental gospel.The mormons will then use James 2:17-18 which says, " Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone, ...show me your faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works".AND then they will quote Paul 20 times that works is important and Peter and John and all the apostles of the Lord and then Jesus Christ himself 50 times that by their works will they be judged, etc, etc, etc.

You may be able to keep up for a while, but eventually the avalanche of scriptures that they line up with their interpretation will cover you.  Then they bring out the Book of Mormon and it supports their interpretaion of the Bible with many more scriptures, sothat it becomes overwhelming to the point that you start re-thinking your position.  Now you are a seasoned scriptorian and you would have a hard time holding your position.  Now think about a nominal Christian, with little knowledge.  The testimony of these nominal Christians is, "that after we were taught from the Bible, the mormons ask me to pray about these things and the Holy Spirit witnessed to me that they were true.  How do you defend against that type of teaching from the scriptures and that type  of witness from the Holy Ghost?

Lining up scriptures is not the answer, I know!

Wow r u a Mormon?

zone · Jan 19, 2013

the Mormon [Masonic] establishment at the highest levels is a "British" [*cough*] Subversive Intelligence outpost.

always has been. Anti-American from the roots all the way up.

what do you think all those genealogical records for "baptizing the dead" are really for?

any idea what happens inside the "temples"?

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i have no idea why regular ppl "convert" to the religion - same reason ppl join any cults i reckon.
those i do try to share the real Gospel with.
never had any luck though.

it would be like talking to a Scientologist...very very much the same. nearly identical

RedTent · Jan 19, 2013

Not only that, but they use the same tactics that youth gangs use to keep their members loyal to them. Once you become a member you are cared for and protected by the gang so it is frightening to be outside the group. You are also threatened if you talk of leaving. My very dear intelligent wonderful mormon friend shared with me her fears of them and her doubts, but she stayed a mormon until her death.

Even though believing in the book of mormon makes absolutely no sense or does there seem to be any possibility it is of God, some of our most intelligent people are buying tht it is. It boggles the mind!

johnluke · Jan 21, 2013

RedTent said:

RedTent, there you go again with the stories. When you know someone that is trying to leave Christianity, what do you do? You persuade them with all the passions of your heart to not make this fatal, eternal mistake. The pastor meets with them and pleads again, that if they leave, they leave the spiritual embrace of Christ Himself. They are told with no holds barred that they do not want to deny the Holy Ghost because you know what happens to a persons that deny the Holy Ghost.

So in a certain way a person trying to leave their church or Christianity as a whole is in a way threatened that if they do, dire consequences will be forthcoming. This threat is not of violence or of a physical threat, but is definitley a threat to their eternal salvation. Everyone going down that paths deserves a strong dose of reality and it doesn't matter if it is main stream Christianity or Mormonism, the discussion is the same.

I'm sure your friend was not in any danger of physical violence from the Mormons, that is nearly an absurd statement. But especially if that person was from a large family and spouse did not want to leave mormonism, there would be some pretty plain talking about the consequences of what will happen in the eternities if they were to leave.

But do not get caught up in the stories, because if you look at our Christian history you will see threats and physical violence done to whole communities as they moved from one denomination to another. It is not pretty.

johnluke · Jan 21, 2013

zone said:

A British Subversive Intelligence outpost? Are you serious, and if you are just what are you smoking?

Anti American from the roots all the way up? Are you serious, and if you are just what are you smoking?

What do you think all those genealogical records are really for? I would like you to finish your statement instead of stopping with an inuendo, because it makes you look like you don't know what they really do with those records, but you just want to throw out a supposed bomb shell.

Do you have any idea what happens inside the temples? Don't you know that they eat kidnapped children and then drenched in blood, they make riotous love all night until early in the mornings.

Makes you shutter just thinking of what those mormons do.

Again it is for these orgies that so many normal Christian people sign up and get baptized into the mormon church because they want in on that action, and they love the anti-American attitudes that are so prevelent in the mormon church from the roots all the way up.

zone · Jan 21, 2013

johnluke said:

lol johnluke.
i could point you in a certain direction and you could find out in a few days with some concentration and research skills.
it's not hidden. its history. and it's not what you think it is. but it is something else - something we see nearly every day.
if ppl just slowed down and observed, they'd see it, hidden in plain sight. notice i had it like this - [British]?
but i won't point out anything to you. you can believe what you wish.

schoolofyoungprophet · Jan 21, 2013

johnluke said:

I don't know much about intelligence but this I know that they r not of God.well they pretend to be.well dressed smart looking I see them in trains all the time,n tell ppl about the real church.
The reason I m against it is because they have another source than bible.
N it doesn't follow bible.
Its deception,n ppl who convert to it are deceived.Christians who gets baptised into Mormon church probably "mostly new"or who's never read the bible.
They may have all the traditions n prayer but what's the ppoint when their prayer God despises it
I might sound harsh but read the bible

zone · Jan 21, 2013

sam, it's structured like any other [Masonic < a cover for something else] organization.
the ordinary ppl, masses [profane they're referred to] don't know. they think its' a real religion and church.
they give everything they have to it.
but all that goes somewhere else.

schoolofyoungprophet · Jan 21, 2013

zone said:

I'd agree guess that's with all cults.only sad part is they go to countries like Nepal who are illiterate n deceieve them,angers me cuz they only go to new beleivers

psychomom · Jan 22, 2013

I only know three members of the LDS church,
and they're all former RCC members.

could there be something appealing about the 'works for heaven' gig?
because they themselves admit most of their 'converts' (here in the 'States) are former Roman Catholics.

I did go toe to toe with my friend Megan, for four hours on the phone one new year's eve.
We stuck to the Bible, though she did urge me to read the Book of Mormon and await the 'burning in the bosom'.
(their 'proof' it's true

)

And though I had been a church-going believer for only a few years,
she ended up frustrated, telling me I was quite a 'scriptorian'.
(i find that's a mormon catchphrase, btw...)

All glory to God!
There was no reason I should have remembered all the verses I did,
but for the Holy Spirit, Who brought all to mind.
Our God is faithful.

...still praying for Megan. ♥

zone · Jan 22, 2013

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2. Do you sustain the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator; and do you recognize him as the only person on the earth authorized to exercise all priesthood keys?

3. Do you sustain the other General Authorities and the local authorities of the Church?

4. Do you live the law of chastity?

5. Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

6. Do you affiliate with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or do you sympathize with the precepts of any such group or individual?

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with your divorce or separation that have not been previously resolved with your bishop?

12. If you have received your temple endowment -- (a) Do you keep all the covenants that you made in the temple? (b) Do you wear the authorized garments both day and night?

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