the second coming of Christ

wanderer6059 · Dec 7, 2016

and point being made you saying now shows that you care more about your self, than the will of God being fulfilled and those being saved.

posthuman · Dec 7, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

here's the thing ((with me, anyhow))

if the Lord's return were to be contingent on me, it could only mean one thing, as far as i understand: that i was the last of His saints to be redeemed. that He was waiting for me to believe.

see, i believe God is sovereign and that He knows the end from the beginning. i believe He chose us in Christ before the worlds were created. i believe, He knows ever single person who will be saved - each of us intimately, and also the number of us.
i believe there is one thing judgement is waiting for: the completion of His work of redemption through Christ.
i don't believe the number of His saints is random -- i believe He knows it, and it's set. because He is the One who authors and finishes this work, and He is the one who chose us. He knows who He chose, and how many of us He chose.

God is not waiting in the heavens to see who will enter the Gate, only to grow tired of holding open the Door at some point and decide 'that's it! too bad for the rest of you, shoulda believed sooner!'
there will be no one who 'if only Christ had returned 10 minutes later, they might have decided'

i believe God is being patient waiting for all who He has chosen to come to repentance. when all of those He predestined have come to knowledge of Him, and faith in the work of His Son, then there will be nothing more holding back judgement.

so

if judgement is waiting for me, specifically, it means to me that God is waiting for me - because there is no one else. because i am the 100[SUP]th[/SUP] sheep Christ is looking for, with the other 99 in the sheepfold.

and that -- waiting for me to turn, so He can bless me. so He can rejoice at the son who has returned, who was once dead, but now alive.
so to choose to believe -- that is what this odd question is about -- you think that's selfish?

no, i don't guess you would, if i put it this way. right?

but you're thinking that God will return to judge the world too soon, in any case. because you said, if He comes quickly, it is too bad for others. you know dude, with that line of thinking, it will never be just at the right time -- because people are living and dying every day, being born and growing. if He ever returns, it will be before some newly-born people have heard the gospel. it will be before someone you probably think of as 'on the fence' can do some unbiblical thing like 'make a decision' for Him. maybe one day too early, maybe you think. maybe 5 minutes before someone 'has a breakthrough' maybe you think. maybe just seconds before someone gets up to walk down an aisle. too bad. what a shame, if they had maybe not been caught at that stoplight and been there 30 seconds earlier, or if the preacher hadn't made that little anecdotal reference and gotten to the end of the sermon just 2 minutes sooner...

but i don't think this way, and i hope that you are thinking about this, and don't think this way either.

God knows the end from the beginning.
Christ knows His sheep. He knows how many He has. He will know when the 100[SUP]th[/SUP] is found.

if i'm the 100[SUP]th[/SUP] He is holding out mercy towards the world for the sake of, foregoing judgement, then the thing it depends on is my own repentance and acquiescence to the Lord -- and that is not a 'selfish' act He waits to be carried out in me. He is the One who causes us to be reborn.

Yeraza_Bats · Dec 7, 2016

Im sorta on the fence about this one, I mean the Lord does not want us to "look forward" to the coming day. I literally just read this yesterday-

(Amos chapter 5)
Woe to you who long
for the day of the Lord!
Why do you long for the day of the Lord?
That day will be darkness, not light.
19 It will be as though a man fled from a lion
only to meet a bear,
as though he entered his house
and rested his hand on the wall
only to have a snake bite him.
20 Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light—
pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?

I certainly dont look forward to a day when people are gathered and judged for their sins, I mean we are told the world will mourn His coming, that it will be a terrible day.

At the same time, I look forward to the new age that comes after it. I cant lie and say I dont look forward to a day of peace, where the entire world serves the Lord and worships and obeys Him. I also look forward to a day where I am not tempted day and night to sin against the Lord, that is probly the one thing I look forward to the most, haha : p

When it comes to my life, I dont feel I have anything to look forward to. And before someone takes that as a "poor me" kinda thing, let me explain that : p

I live this life knowing that it is temporary, that only two things can happen to me after death. I can be saved, or I can be left here wandering the earth in anxiety and despair knowing whats coming to me, waiting for an eternity of torment. I know that in the "new earth" this current world will not be remembered, nor will it come to mind. I know that even if I were to be married and have kids, while Im sure Id be happy to have such a thing, it will one day be gone. In the end, I am really just living for the day that I am with the Lord : p So besides having things that He may want me to do, I really have zero attachments to this world and am looking forward to being away from here and with Him : p

I dont wanna say how Id answer Him, it might be not fun but I dont personally feel comfortable answering that : p I know the day coming will be terrible and filled with gloom, but I do look forward to the age when this current world is no more.

followjesus · Dec 7, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

also the more we do that the closer all get to marvel at His appearing because

matthew 24:12-13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14And THIS GOSPEL of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a WITNESS unto ALL NATIONS; and THEN shall the end come.

Blain · Dec 7, 2016

Honestly i have longed to be with him for the longest time and so my first instinct would be yes but then I stop myself and consider of what is to come afterwards. if in fact the pretrib rapture is true then once we are taken a bloody time of darkness will come upon the earth and so many will suffer from it.

The storm that is coming is so horrific that in all honesty we should pray everyday that it's delayed, I am all for going home but I more concerned with what will happen to people after that

OneFaith · Dec 8, 2016

Hypothetically, I would want to say yes, but I would probably end up with no because I think there are still souls to save first. To decide if it's time I would have to know if there are no more souls with the potential to be saved- which only God can know. Part of me hopes I can finish my own personal goals first- like lose weight, but I have full confidence that if the end came before I felt ready, that I would be saved, cause God knew my story before I was even born, and does not have to have it all played out before He can know how it ends.

dcontroversal · Dec 8, 2016

Pretty sure that God does not need our advice and or instruction......just saying.........

wanderer6059 · Dec 9, 2016

posthuman said:

here's the thing ((with me, anyhow))

if the Lord's return were to be contingent on me, it could only mean one thing, as far as i understand: that i was the last of His saints to be redeemed. that He was waiting for me to believe.

see, i believe God is sovereign and that He knows the end from the beginning. i believe He chose us in Christ before the worlds were created. i believe, He knows ever single person who will be saved - each of us intimately, and also the number of us.
i believe there is one thing judgement is waiting for: the completion of His work of redemption through Christ.
i don't believe the number of His saints is random -- i believe He knows it, and it's set. because He is the One who authors and finishes this work, and He is the one who chose us. He knows who He chose, and how many of us He chose.

God is not waiting in the heavens to see who will enter the Gate, only to grow tired of holding open the Door at some point and decide 'that's it! too bad for the rest of you, shoulda believed sooner!'
there will be no one who 'if only Christ had returned 10 minutes later, they might have decided'

i believe God is being patient waiting for all who He has chosen to come to repentance. when all of those He predestined have come to knowledge of Him, and faith in the work of His Son, then there will be nothing more holding back judgement.

so

if judgement is waiting for me, specifically, it means to me that God is waiting for me - because there is no one else. because i am the 100[SUP]th[/SUP] sheep Christ is looking for, with the other 99 in the sheepfold.

and that -- waiting for me to turn, so He can bless me. so He can rejoice at the son who has returned, who was once dead, but now alive.
so to choose to believe -- that is what this odd question is about -- you think that's selfish?

no, i don't guess you would, if i put it this way. right?

but you're thinking that God will return to judge the world too soon, in any case. because you said, if He comes quickly, it is too bad for others. you know dude, with that line of thinking, it will never be just at the right time -- because people are living and dying every day, being born and growing. if He ever returns, it will be before some newly-born people have heard the gospel. it will be before someone you probably think of as 'on the fence' can do some unbiblical thing like 'make a decision' for Him. maybe one day too early, maybe you think. maybe 5 minutes before someone 'has a breakthrough' maybe you think. maybe just seconds before someone gets up to walk down an aisle. too bad. what a shame, if they had maybe not been caught at that stoplight and been there 30 seconds earlier, or if the preacher hadn't made that little anecdotal reference and gotten to the end of the sermon just 2 minutes sooner...

but i don't think this way, and i hope that you are thinking about this, and don't think this way either.

God knows the end from the beginning.
Christ knows His sheep. He knows how many He has. He will know when the 100[SUP]th[/SUP] is found.

if i'm the 100[SUP]th[/SUP] He is holding out mercy towards the world for the sake of, foregoing judgement, then the thing it depends on is my own repentance and acquiescence to the Lord -- and that is not a 'selfish' act He waits to be carried out in me. He is the One who causes us to be reborn.

brother, its just a question to stimulate thought on if we are doing our part on spreading the gospel...

wanderer6059 · Dec 9, 2016

dcontroversal said:

its just a question brother, a hypothetical one at that.

popeye · Dec 10, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

The GT comes first.

The fence sitters will refuse the mark,at least most of them.

Those martyred will be in heaven.

The Jews will make it in the last harvest (rev 14),..... most of them.

dcontroversal · Dec 10, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

I hear ya and no offence meant bro....Just that God covers this extensively in Isaiah....peace....

49 · Dec 10, 2016

popeye said:

Hello popeye. Been a while.

beta · Dec 11, 2016

Just been reading this thread and must say I am a little perplexed.
Are people not missing something ? They all talk about the 'final judgement on this world in connection with the 'second coming of Christ. Are you sure that is the same event ? I don't think so !
What happened to the 'thousand-year-reign of Christ when He will CORRECT all nations ?
You know - God will never 'condemn anyone to 'hell-fire' unless they have first 'heard and been taught the Truth' ---only upon REJECTION of His Truth will there be a 'final judgement....AFTER the 1000 year reign of Christ.
So it is important to get our priorities right and see the return of Christ as a BLESSING for correction !!!

wanderer6059 · Dec 12, 2016

beta said:

dude the second coming is gonna be the most bloody terrors that this world will ever see, before the throne.

[FONT=&quot]1 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself.13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in[b] blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule[c] them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, “Come, gather for the great supper of God, 18 to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave,[d] both small and great.” 19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. 20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence[e] had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.21 And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

every none christian dies that day, and before that there is alot of death too.[/FONT]

wanderer6059 · Dec 12, 2016

popeye said:

yeah but i feel bad thinking about those that don't have God going through the GT lol

Stunnedbygrace · Dec 12, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

I ask Him all the time to come soon. Sometimes I think it is selfishness but...we are to eagerly look for Him and as one man said, we should hasten His coming and love His appearing.☺

wanderer6059 · Dec 12, 2016

Stunnedbygrace said:

i just can't agree

lol i just can't see a God call the harvest over with more that half a potential crop still up.

Stunnedbygrace · Dec 12, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

I guess it depends on if you think no one can be saved after our gathering together or not.

wanderer6059 · Dec 12, 2016

Stunnedbygrace said:

i don't know, but i do know its a lot of wast even if you can

beta · Dec 13, 2016

wanderer6059 said:

dude the second coming is gonna be the most bloody terrors that this world will ever see, before the throne.

1 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself.13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in[b] blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule[c] them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, “Come, gather for the great supper of God, 18 to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave,[d] both small and great.” 19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. 20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence[e] had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.21 And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

every none christian dies that day, and before that there is alot of death too.

Had you not noticed I am a 'she' (pink name) ?
Yes I agree....there will be a fight - why ? because people are not prepared to accept the REAL Jesus who returns...the one who actually died on the cross....the Sabbath-keeping Jesus who kept His Fathers Commandments ! HE is that Jesus who is the same yesterday, today and forever...HE has not changed, nor His true followers.

We know that the true Christ will prevail - so who is prepared to be 'corrected' and not be 'slain in that battle ?

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