the "spirit man" ?

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Pilgrimshope

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“But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.”
‭‭Job‬ ‭32:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬
“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?

even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:45-47, 49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Webers.Home

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Jesus' mom had a spirit.

Luke 1:47 . . My spirit rejoices in God my Savior,

She also had a soul.

Luke 1:46 . . My soul glorifies the Lord
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p_rehbein

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You guys are posting about man being triune......body, soul, spirit, and that's cool.

BUT

How did you come to that endevor based on the wording of the OP? It made ZERO sense IMO............. just saying
 

Webers.Home

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You guys are posting about man being triune

Man is actually a quad being: body, soul, spirit, and heart. Jesus'
mom consisted of all those.

God is a quad being too: Father, Son, Spirit, and Word.

There's a vision of the glory of God in the first chapter of the book of Ezekiel
wherein God is portrayed as a quad being.
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p_rehbein

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uh, sorry, no............

Triune God created triune man
 

Webers.Home

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It isn't all that difficult to determine that the Father, the Sprit, and the Word
are divine beings; but how does one go about determining that the Son is a
divine being?

We might begin in the Old Testament with Psalm 110 where the Son is
invited to be seated at God's right hand: surely a position that only a divine
being has any business occupying. But the Son is a human being, in
particular David's flesh and blood progeny (Rom 1:3). How is it possible for a
human being to achieve a status equal to God's?
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It isn't all that difficult to determine that the Father, the Sprit, and the Word
are divine beings; but how does one go about determining that the Son is a
divine being?


We might begin in the Old Testament with Psalm 110 where the Son is
invited to be seated at God's right hand: surely a position that only a divine
being has any business occupying. But the Son is a human being, in
particular David's flesh and blood progeny (Rom 1:3). How is it possible for a
human being to achieve a status equal to God's?
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The Son is the Logos.

https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf
 

Webers.Home

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The flesh that the Word became (John 1:14) did not have the same status as
God at first because he's innately human; David's biological progeny (Rom
1:3), which can be easily traced all the way back to Eve, and thus to Adam,
and from thence to the very dust from which Adam was created.

Most Christians will readily attest that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man;
while in reality a number of them aren't quite sure that he wasn't some sort
of divine hominid implanted in Mary's womb; i.e. they honestly aren't sure
whether Jesus' mom may have been his surrogate mother rather than his
biological mother. In other words; they'd rather that the flesh of John 1:14
came into the world divine at birth rather than elevated to divinity some
time later.

This is a very difficult portion of Christology for some Christians because it
implies the Word came into the world as both creature and creator
simultaneously, which for most, is not only unacceptable but also impossible.
But there is no getting around it because He himself identified himself as a
creature on numerous occasions in the gospels beginning with Matt 8:20.
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Pilgrimshope

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The flesh that the Word became (John 1:14) did not have the same status as
God at first because he's innately human; David's biological progeny (Rom
1:3), which can be easily traced all the way back to Eve, and thus to Adam,
and from thence to the very dust from which Adam was created.


Most Christians will readily attest that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man;
while in reality a number of them aren't quite sure that he wasn't some sort
of divine hominid implanted in Mary's womb; i.e. they honestly aren't sure
whether Jesus' mom may have been his surrogate mother rather than his
biological mother. In other words; they'd rather that the flesh of John 1:14
came into the world divine at birth rather than elevated to divinity some
time later.


This is a very difficult portion of Christology for some Christians because it
implies the Word came into the world as both creature and creator
simultaneously, which for most, is not only unacceptable but also impossible.
But there is no getting around it because He himself identified himself as a
creature on numerous occasions in the gospels beginning with Matt 8:20.
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Correct , he became a man subjected himself to our status in the world.

“But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


During the days of Christs flesh in this world he was subject to the world like any man but the difference is we sin because we’re not perfect when we are pit to the test and he didn’t he stood strong in the battle not as untemptable God who is a spirit but as a man subject to God he made himself man because that’s what was required for mankind’s salvstion perfect high priest who had offered a perfect sacrifice in order to reconcile mans sin and create an open door to return to God by his mediations alone

the concept is that the one and only almighty God laid down his glory me became a man like we are overcame the world as a man like we are overcame temptation , sin and eventually death because of how he lives as a man free of sin. We had to have a man reconcile the relationship with God we needed a mediator

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the idea is that God became a man to save us and then returned to his glory

He’s definable the one God what we see in e gospel is how much he loves us that he would come and humble his own self in the form of man because we had failed and we’re lost without mediation he became our intercessor nod afterwards he returned to his glory eternal

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God came from heaven and became one of us did all we needed and returned having provided salvation. In Christ we see God glorified on earth and one day we will see God glorofoed on heaven d well Know he’s is one own on earth in Christ and shown in heaven as God
 

Webers.Home

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According to Ps 110:4, Jesus was on track to become a high priest.

"Jehovah has sworn and will not change His mind: you are a priest forever
according to the order of Melchizedek."

Well; according to Heb 2:16-18, high priests have to be "merciful" which is
translated from a Greek word relating to compassion. Someone who's lived a
privileged life is likely not going to relate well to normal folks who suffer the
slings and arrows of outrageous misfortune on a regular basis; especially social
misfits and outcasts who get marginalized everywhere they go, no matter
who they're with. The so-called silent years were a rough time for Jesus.

Isa 53:2-3 . .There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his
appearance, nothing to attract us to him. He was despised and rejected-- a
man of sorrows, acquainted with bitterest grief. We turned our backs on him
and looked the other way when he went by. He was despised, and we did
not care.

Heb 4:15-16 . . For we do not have a high priest who is unable to
sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in
every way, just as we are-yet was without sin. Let us then approach the
throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find
grace to help us in our time of need.

The above testifies that Jesus lived a sinless life. How was he able to do that
while handicapped with human nature? Well; apparently his success was due
to a combination of prayer and providence.

Heb 5:7-10 . . During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers
and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from
death, and he was heard because of His reverent submission. Although he
was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made
perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and
was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

God's providence included a whopping dose of His spirit.

John 3:34 . . God's spirit is upon him without measure or limit.

Quite a few Christians are convinced that Jesus was sinless because he was
God. I really don't think so; primarily because before Jesus was glorified, he
was just as much a human being as any of his Jewish countrymen.

Heb 2:17 . . He had to be made like his brethren in every way, in order
that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God.

No; it seems clear to me that Jesus was sinless due to God's rock-jawed
stubborn 24/7/365 oversight to ensure that when Christ was nailed to that
Roman cross, the only sins to his credit would be ours.

Isa 53:6 . . Jehovah has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
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