The Temple Of God

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J7

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I never said he was being ambiguous about the passage of time....

on what basis??

if you're thinking 2 Peter 3:8 is a unit-conversion equation, you're wrong. don't feel bad though, apparently quite a lot of people seem to have been taught the same bogosity.
have a look at Psalm 90:4 -- which is what Peter is quoting -- and you see that the same 1,000 years is compared both to a day and to a period of about 4 hours.
Peter's not giving us a mathematical equation to convert God-time to human-time. He's illustrating ((as the psalmist also does)) that the Eternal One is very patient, and being unconstrained, doesn't view time in the same appetent way we do.

anyhow understanding that He rose on the third day, it's very clear that Christ wasn't being ambiguous about the passage of time here.
 
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Personally I believe that the deception God sends is the very temple itself, which is why Paul calls it the 'Temple of God', when of course it is no such thing, it is the temple of Satan.





I cannot help but agree with this.
I do not understand why some christians even donated a red heifer from west virginia to Israel, so they could get their ashes required for the temple sacrifices and rituals.

To reinstitute animal sacrifices is to blaspheme Jesus Christ's work on the cross. That is how I see it. Jesus paid it all, once and for all.
 

posthuman

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On the basis that the bible tells me so?

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

dude, please read what you just quoted!

1,000yr = 24hr = 4hr ??

24hr = 4hr ??

can the God who created math, not do math correctly?
 

posthuman

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I never said he was being ambiguous about the passage of time....
when you say 3 days isn't really 3 days, it is the same as to say "3 days" is ambiguous.
 

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I'm sorry J7 but here on this thread you are many good it clear that you do not understand between THE TEMPLE of GOD from the other temple of god which is being referred to in 2 Thessalonians 2 which will be built by unbelievers
 

J7

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@miknik, if you love me you can pm me

@ph 3hrs in a watch

@Boga yup, I can't help feeling that the general vitriol, lack of constructive discussion and inability to refute stems less from what I have said, and more from the general abhorrence to the idea that the beloved temple is not really the great object of veneration so many so-called Christians seem to think.

Have I hit a sore nerve?!!
 

notuptome

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We as believers are the temple of God. The Holy Spirit dwells within us. Jesus body is the temple of God raised in three days.

Will there be a third physical temple? Israel seems intent on building one in the very end of the age prior to the Lords return at the close of the tribulation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

garee

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Hi J7

The Jews who did not have the temple of God,the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God in them. They walked by sight and required a sign before they would commit faith. Jesus who is the temple of God in effect said kill me and in three days he would raise up a incorruptible temple that could never be destroyed .

And as he uses the word thousand in parables to represent a unknown of whatever is in view. He uses the word three to signify the end of the matter.

God is not superhuman , but is supernatural, which means without a beginning or end of Spirit life, without mother or father.
God who has no form is not a man as us never was never could be. He alone is supernatural even the devil has a beginning as a created being.

Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?But he spake of the temple of his body.

Not bricks and a cloth veil

They were not given the spiritual understanding hid in that parable. Hid from the unconverted, revealed to the new creatures

The time of reformation had come, the shadows and types that pointed to the coming of Christ had been made perfect.

That reformation is still doing its work of restoring the temple to its rightful place in the hearts of born again men.
 

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A group of believers who worship GOD in spirit and Truth through Faith in His Son is a church.

It could be a tent in the wilderness or a building in the town.. The Holy Spirit gathered together by our temples being in the tent, building or where ever else we abide.
God's dwelling place is wherever He chooses it to be. He doesn't dwell where we desire Him to be. Amen sis!!
 

garee

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@miknik, if you love me you can pm me

@ph 3hrs in a watch

@Boga yup, I can't help feeling that the general vitriol, lack of constructive discussion and inability to refute stems less from what I have said, and more from the general abhorrence to the idea that the beloved temple is not really the great object of veneration so many so-called Christians seem to think.

Have I hit a sore nerve?!!

Why venerate/worship the spiritless, lifeless rudiments of this word as philosophies of men and not the law of faith understood through the parables, as if we could know Christ , the Son of God after the things found in science laboratories. DNA.

No man could find Him by looking through a microscope . He Hides himself in the parables. He is our hiding place, the city of refuge, our strong fortress.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
 

garee

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God's dwelling place is wherever He chooses it to be. He doesn't dwell where we desire Him to be. Amen sis!!
Amen

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth "upon the circle of the earth", and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

To sit upon the circle is to encompass us from within..

Christ the temple in us is the hope of His unseen glory.
 
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The Apostle Paul said, " According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 3:10-11).

As we grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:18), we must remember our body is the temple of the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 6:19). There can be no works in the temple. Only the Finished Work of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ can be added by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 3:18).

The Way Of The Spirit
Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)

Man's Way

Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!

As we study the House of the Lord, the Temple that Solomon built (Type); all construction of the Temple were finished at a quarry, so there was no sound of hammer, ax, or any other iron tool heard in the House, while it was in building (1 Kings 6:7). The same with us, there must be no labor inside the Temple where the Holy Ghost dwells inside of us. Only the Finished Work that was done at the Calvary's Cross can be added to the Believer. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! Quiet please!
 

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There are a number of issues you are failing to take into account 7.

2 Thess 2:2 (Young's Literal) that ye be not quickly shaken in mind, nor be troubled, neither through spirit, neither through word, neither through letters as through us, as that the day of Christ hath arrived;

2 Thess 2:3 (NASB) Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

2 Thess 2:4 (NASB) who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

2 Thess 2:6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.

In the above we have the "man of sin" being "restrained" when Paul wrote to the Thessalonians - so this places the events within the lifetime of a man (the man of sin) which means the "man of sin" was alive at the same time as the Thessalonians.

In verse 3 he is telling them that the day of Christ will not come until the man of sin (lawlessness) is revealed, unless this man of sin has been alive for nearly 2000 years then the revealing must have occurred with the 1st century AD.

Tying the above with his previous letter gives more light on this day of Christ or the day of the Lord:

1 Thess 5:1 Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you.

1 Thess 5:2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.

1 Thess 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;

Paul said the day of the Lord would not "overtake" them as they were not in darkness. If the day was not in their lifetime how would it be even possible for the day to overtake them because if it was 2000 years into their future they would be long dead.
 

garee

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The day of the lord is the last day according to the Amil position.(no literal thousand year reign on this literal sin corrupted earth. The same day of judgment the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] trump and the day of resurrection the second and final both occurring in the twinkling of the eye..

The reformation is the time of revealing the anti Christs. Men that insisted they must teach men seeking their approval, usurping the promised teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit. The Jew lost their identity to be used as shadow and types in various parables. . The time of Jacobs’s trouble had begun .The beginning of the last days the whole New Testament time period had begun.

1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
 

J7

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The him does not exist in the KJV or the Greek.
There are a number of issues you are failing to take into account 7.

2 Thess 2:2 (Young's Literal) that ye be not quickly shaken in mind, nor be troubled, neither through spirit, neither through word, neither through letters as through us, as that the day of Christ hath arrived;

2 Thess 2:3 (NASB) Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

2 Thess 2:4 (NASB) who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

2 Thess 2:6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.

In the above we have the "man of sin" being "restrained" when Paul wrote to the Thessalonians - so this places the events within the lifetime of a man (the man of sin) which means the "man of sin" was alive at the same time as the Thessalonians.

In verse 3 he is telling them that the day of Christ will not come until the man of sin (lawlessness) is revealed, unless this man of sin has been alive for nearly 2000 years then the revealing must have occurred with the 1st century AD.

Tying the above with his previous letter gives more light on this day of Christ or the day of the Lord:

1 Thess 5:1 Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you.

1 Thess 5:2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.

1 Thess 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;

Paul said the day of the Lord would not "overtake" them as they were not in darkness. If the day was not in their lifetime how would it be even possible for the day to overtake them because if it was 2000 years into their future they would be long dead.
 

J7

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The idea of General Titus demanding to be worshipped, i.e. Thessalonians and Daniel lining up, simply makes no sense.

So:

14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’[a] standing where it[b] does not belong—let the reader understand

according to PW, (hope he's alright btw), would mean:

When you see the Roman General standing in the Temple?

the war was halfway through when Titus reachoed the temple......
 

Locutus

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The him does not exist in the KJV or the Greek.
You are quite clueless.

2 Thess 2:6 καὶ νῦν τὸ κατέχον οἴδατε εἰς τὸ ἀποκαλυφθῆναι αὐτὸν ἐν τῷ ἑαυτοῦ καιρῷ

(2 Th 2:6 KJV) And now ye know what withholdeth that he (αὐτὸν) might be revealed in his time.

Even if "him" Greek auton was not in the text, the context would still be the same and in no way alters my statements.
 

MarcR

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Strongs is, *gasp* incorrect. Just like you.

Now, who are you trying to fool?

It is utterly nonsensical that God would have superhuman power. It's a misnomer.
Your posts are usually well thought out and well presented; but I can't make sense of this. Please explain
 
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J7

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There is a pattern of ad hominem attacks...I had kind of blanked you tbh....

(Trouble is your brand of misanthropy is a bit contagious)



The autos, (his), refers to the time / season

....that he might be revealed in his time

The autos in no way attaches to katecho, the restraining force/ person.

Don't ever try your bullyboy tactics with a Greek scholar L, because I can assure you they will tear you limb from limb.



You are quite clueless.

2 Thess 2:6 καὶ νῦν τὸ κατέχον οἴδατε εἰς τὸ ἀποκαλυφθῆναι αὐτὸν ἐν τῷ ἑαυτοῦ καιρῷ

(2 Th 2:6 KJV) And now ye know what withholdeth that he (αὐτὸν) might be revealed in his time.

Even if "him" Greek auton was not in the text, the context would still be the same and in no way alters my statements.