the tribulation

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easygoing

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I have been keeping up with the thread The Rapture Theory and all sides give well thought out arguments and i credit everyone of them for having such a passion about the word of god and being well versed in them as well.

My question here is just to get peoples thoughts on what would be the defining moment that we would know that we were in the tribulation.

I know pre-trib believers believe that the rapture will signify the beginning of the tribulation but looking through the beginning of revelations it begins with jesus speaking to the 7 angels of the churches and after that the lamb being the one to open the first 7 seals, which I take as the tribulation being in full swing.

So i have heard different events that could possibly signify we are in the tribulation when it comes.
rebuilding of jewish temple?
two wittnesses?
treaty with israel? (could fall in with rebuilding of temple)
great earthquake?

There are more of course and these are just off of the top of my head. I know that a question like this is obviously without a clear answer but just wanted to see what others think really. I know that revelations is not the only book in the bible to speak of the tribulation and please feel free to post any scriptures that you like as they are all welcome.
 
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I have been keeping up with the thread The Rapture Theory and all sides give well thought out arguments and i credit everyone of them for having such a passion about the word of god and being well versed in them as well.

My question here is just to get peoples thoughts on what would be the defining moment that we would know that we were in the tribulation.

I know pre-trib believers believe that the rapture will signify the beginning of the tribulation but looking through the beginning of revelations it begins with jesus speaking to the 7 angels of the churches and after that the lamb being the one to open the first 7 seals, which I take as the tribulation being in full swing.

So i have heard different events that could possibly signify we are in the tribulation when it comes.
rebuilding of jewish temple?
two wittnesses?
treaty with israel? (could fall in with rebuilding of temple)
great earthquake?

There are more of course and these are just off of the top of my head. I know that a question like this is obviously without a clear answer but just wanted to see what others think really. I know that revelations is not the only book in the bible to speak of the tribulation and please feel free to post any scriptures that you like as they are all welcome.
Something has to jumpstart the 70th week, one could say that the church age caused the gap, so the rapture would be my answer, because when the church is gone, Israel is back as the main player in prophecy.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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How about the institution of the mark of the beast.
 
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I don't know, but with all the crazy things out there, it is obvious we are being deceived by Satan. Everything is going insane out there.
 
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Is the mark of the beast the micro chip? I told my parents about that, and they said no one will know what the mark is? I don't buy that. Why would God put it in there that we couldn't buy or sell without it?
 
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onwingsaseagles

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Is the mark of the beast the micro chip? I told my parents about that, and they said no one will know what the mark is? I don't buy that. Why would God put it in there that we couldn't buy or sell without it?
I agree with you, The mark of the beast is a micro chip which will have all our I.D. info as well as criminal, and bank account info on it. There will be no more cash, checks or check/debit cards. There will be no more pay check all payrolls will be direct deposit. the only way we will be able to access our bank accounts will be if we receive the micro chip, hence we will not be able to buy or sell without it. Christians will know what it is.
 
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Do you guys ever sit around and go "wow" I am living in the end days? Why did God put me at the end days? I would have preferred to be Jonah in the whale. This is going to get very very ugly. Be on guard, Satan would love to convince us that the micro chip being the mark is some stupid conspiracy theorists people talking, don't believe it guys. We need to be strong. People are getting deceived everywhere. Just go on you tube. lol Don't lose your bible, and don't buy into Satan's lies.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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Do you guys ever sit around and go "wow" I am living in the end days? Why did God put me at the end days? I would have preferred to be Jonah in the whale. This is going to get very very ugly. Be on guard, Satan would love to convince us that the micro chip being the mark is some stupid conspiracy theorists people talking, don't believe it guys. We need to be strong. People are getting deceived everywhere. Just go on you tube. lol Don't lose your bible, and don't buy into Satan's lies.
Yep I have had all those thoughts and more :cool:
 
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The mark is not a computer chip.

The bible says the mark is visible.

These chips, the verichip, are invisible!! They are implanted under the skin.

So yes talk about chips being the mark of the beast is conspiracy theory, nothing more.

And if you can find a verse which says the mark is the computer chip, please quote it, I don't think you can.
And if you can't, you have to ask yourself whether you are trusting in God's Word alone, or conspiracy theory websites and human understanding.
 
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NoahsMom

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there seems to be no shortage of theories about what the mark really is.
So heres mine
I think the mark is desception ,doing the work of the beast system......ie witnessing etc for the anti Christ
Just as youd work for Gods church.....those that recieve the mark would be buaght and sold under that church system.....aka ,the one world government and church system.......
 
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The mark is not a computer chip.

The bible says the mark is visible.

These chips, the verichip, are invisible!! They are implanted under the skin.

So yes talk about chips being the mark of the beast is conspiracy theory, nothing more.

And if you can find a verse which says the mark is the computer chip, please quote it, I don't think you can.
And if you can't, you have to ask yourself whether you are trusting in God's Word alone, or conspiracy theory websites and human understanding.
So what is the mark then? what is it to our understanding that without this mark we cannot buy or sell? buy or sell what? and yes it is visible before it goes under the skin.
 
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Visible before it goes under the skin, is not a mark.The thing doesn't even leave a scar. Look up the meaning of the original greek for the word mark, and it will give a clearer picture. Also correlate "mark" with the references to "mark" in the old testament.

By the way the best place for the verichip to work is not in the hand or forehead but under the armpit or shoulder region. Think about that one.

Remember right now you can't buy or sell without the correct currency for your country or credit card. Try buying something at the shops with a sack of potatos and see how far you get. I don't know why people think the mark has to be something technologically advanced like a computer chip. It may simply be a visible tattoo on the skin.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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The mark is not a computer chip.

The bible says the mark is visible.

These chips, the verichip, are invisible!! They are implanted under the skin.

So yes talk about chips being the mark of the beast is conspiracy theory, nothing more.

And if you can find a verse which says the mark is the computer chip, please quote it, I don't think you can.
And if you can't, you have to ask yourself whether you are trusting in God's Word alone, or conspiracy theory websites and human understanding.
No where does the Bible say the Mark of the beast is visible.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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Do you guys ever sit around and go "wow" I am living in the end days? Why did God put me at the end days? I would have preferred to be Jonah in the whale. This is going to get very very ugly. Be on guard, Satan would love to convince us that the micro chip being the mark is some stupid conspiracy theorists people talking, don't believe it guys. We need to be strong. People are getting deceived everywhere. Just go on you tube. lol Don't lose your bible, and don't buy into Satan's lies.
The mark is not a computer chip.

The bible says the mark is visible.

These chips, the verichip, are invisible!! They are implanted under the skin.

So yes talk about chips being the mark of the beast is conspiracy theory, nothing more.

And if you can find a verse which says the mark is the computer chip, please quote it, I don't think you can.
And if you can't, you have to ask yourself whether you are trusting in God's Word alone, or conspiracy theory websites and human understanding.
So what is the mark then? what is it to our understanding that without this mark we cannot buy or sell? buy or sell what? and yes it is visible before it goes under the skin.
#1 supernova the bible never says the mark is visible, 2ndly as you said satan wants to convince us that the verichip being the mark is just some stupid conspiracy theory, do not let satan use mahogony to doubt the revelation God has given you, as you said in your own post don't buy into satan's lies.
 
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easygoing

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I have thought about that mark as well and it really isn't that farfetched to think that it could be a microchip in which could be planted under the skiin so that people could be identified, located, and would not have to use currency but a swipe of the chip would access all of your bank info.
It does say that a mark will be applied on either hand or forehead.

I was noticing that the mark of the beast is not mentioned until after the trumpet judments and is directly before the vial judments, not saying the mark would not be an obvious sign i was just wandering about timing is all. it seemed to me that the earthquake in the seal judments and the marking of the 144,000 could possibly be our first indicators since they are the first things actually mentioned that our human eyes and minds could comprehend.

gotta put kids to be right now be back on later.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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I have thought about that mark as well and it really isn't that farfetched to think that it could be a microchip in which could be planted under the skiin so that people could be identified, located, and would not have to use currency but a swipe of the chip would access all of your bank info.
It does say that a mark will be applied on either hand or forehead.

I was noticing that the mark of the beast is not mentioned until after the trumpet judments and is directly before the vial judments, not saying the mark would not be an obvious sign i was just wandering about timing is all. it seemed to me that the earthquake in the seal judments and the marking of the 144,000 could possibly be our first indicators since they are the first things actually mentioned that our human eyes and minds could comprehend.

gotta put kids to be right now be back on later.
Yes it is more than likely a micro chip and contrary to what Mahogony claims Revelation 13:16 actually says that people receive the mark of the beast IN their hand or IN their forehead not that it is visible. For some reason Mahogony has a bad habit of making unfounded claims.

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
 
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No where does the Bible say the Mark of the beast is visible.
Mark means mark, go look up what the Greek word for mark means.


2ndly as you said satan wants to convince us that the verichip being the mark is just some stupid conspiracy theory, do not let satan use mahogony to doubt the revelation God has given you, as you said in your own post don't buy into satan's lies.
Then again satan could have deceived you to believe that the mark is the computer chip, so you will fail to recognise the REAL mark of the beast. Thought of that possibility?
Revelation "God" gave you? Bah, I can find this revelation on any conspiracy theory website in a quick google search. Next you'll be telling us that it's 666 hidden in barcodes on cans of baked beans... oh wait, I did read that one on a similar conspiracy theory website too ;)

You still haven't addressed the problem that the best and usual place to implant the verichip is not in the hand or forehead but in the arm.
The chip needs body heat to operate the battery, and the back of the hand and forehead are not the best places if you want body heat transferred to the chip.


For some reason Mahogony has a bad habit of making unfounded claims.
And I'm still waiting for a bible verse that says the mark is a computer chip ;).
 
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You're joking right? Look up the meaning of the word mark in Greek, use strongs. It means stamp, etching, engraving..it's the same word used for the tattoo verse in Leviticus. Or perhaps you think God was forbidding the Israelites to implant verichips in themselves in the old testament LOL.
By the way the meaning of the Greek word "epi" is on, or upon.
Not "in" as you allege.
Some form of visible ink mark or tattoo would be the natural reading of the text.