THE TRUTH ABOUT TATTOOS

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JaumeJ

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This entire thread seems to be under the law and not under grace. Do not post to me again. If you here wish to condemn people according to the law given to Moses, you must for it is your spiritual character.

Jesus teaches if a law is applied, it must be with mercy justice, and faith, and to condemn anyone for having a tatto seems to be lacking all three plus grace. This is a shame.

These types of people are the same ones who tell me when I believe our Lord when He teaches He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it, that hey should learn this from HIm, for the law is not destroyed but explained and taught fully to any who are truly under grace. I pity those who think this is wrong.
 

Genipher

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I am talking about the appearance of our body when we are born, and I am not talking about the character, or the behavior of the person later on in life.

When we are born we are not born with tattoos so why put tattoos on you if God did not put tattoos on you when you are born.

Why do we alter the way God created us being born.

We did not come out of the womb with piercings, and tattoos, for that is the way God wanted it to be so why change the appearance of your body if God did not want us to be born that way and we are His creation according to how the body looks.

If a person paints a picture the way they like do they like if another person changes the appearance of it when it is their painting.

God does not want us to change the appearance of our body because it is His creation.

If a person is scrawny it has nothing to do with altering your body in a bad way for it is not marring up the body, and we get stronger from our activities without lifting weights, so it is a good thing which God said body exercise profits us.

But He did not say tattoos, and piercings profit us.

Do not mar the Creator's creation.
Ah, so kinda like when boys are born they're "intact" but later Yahweh made a covenant of circumcision? Did Yahweh make a mistake in not creating males already circumcised? Should the people have ignored what Yahweh said because "the body is already perfect"?
He had us change the appearance of a body that, in the beginning, was perfect.

I'm not saying circumcision is bad or that God was wrong. I'm just pointing out that He did allow for a change to his perfection.
 

shittim

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Unless that person is spiritually, emotionally and physically perfect there must be other issues besides debating the morality of getting a little butterfly tat or some other innocuous tattoo. For the record I do not have any tattoos but do not look down upon those that do or may chose to do so.
Same here, have none, don't look down, will never blow them off either.
We will give an account of EVERY thought, word and deed, EVERY means EVERY, those who claim to be Christian today seem to have difficulty with "every" .
There is no middle ground, if we let living to oneself and not taking everything to Him for His guidance as He requires and deserves then by default we enter the adversaries camp.
 
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Your argument is a personal opinion wrapped in "spiritual" language, but it does not hold water. We don't come out of the womb with adult teeth, adult bones, or adult brains. We don't even have kneecaps! Any 20-90 year old who looked like they did when they were born would be an outcast. God did not intend us to look as we did when we were born. It's just not a valid argument.
I do not understand what you are saying for I am saying that the way God created us should be left alone and we should not mar the body God created.

However we are born we should not mar that creation.

I do not understand what you are saying.

Of course we are not born with adult teeth, and adult parts, but that is the natural part of growing, but that has nothing to do with tattoos.

Tattoos is adding to the creation of God which mars the body, but growing up is a natural part of the body.

This is weird for it is simple do not mar the body that God has given you.

And when you grow older it is not altering the body for it is the natural body part of the body but tattoos are not.

It is like you are saying that tattoos is the same as the natural part of the growing body.

Hey we change as we get older which alters our body to get bigger so tattoos are alright to alter our body.

What.

Did anybody see a baby born with tattoos on them when they were born, no they have not, so do not put any tattoos on your body.

God said this is the way I want the body to look and it is good, but they say nay but we want tattoos and this is how we want the body to look.

What.
 

Dino246

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I do not understand what you are saying for I am saying that the way God created us should be left alone and we should not mar the body God created.

However we are born we should not mar that creation.

I do not understand what you are saying.

Of course we are not born with adult teeth, and adult parts, but that is the natural part of growing, but that has nothing to do with tattoos.

Tattoos is adding to the creation of God which mars the body, but growing up is a natural part of the body.

This is weird for it is simple do not mar the body that God has given you.

And when you grow older it is not altering the body for it is the natural body part of the body but tattoos are not.

It is like you are saying that tattoos is the same as the natural part of the growing body.

Hey we change as we get older which alters our body to get bigger so tattoos are alright to alter our body.

What.

Did anybody see a baby born with tattoos on them when they were born, no they have not, so do not put any tattoos on your body.

God said this is the way I want the body to look and it is good, but they say nay but we want tattoos and this is how we want the body to look.

What.
My point is this: our bodies do not remain as they were when we were born. We change our bodies in thousands of ways simply by living in a fallen world and making imperfect choices. Many of those changes "mar" the body, but they are not considered sinful. My wisdom teeth were removed when I was a teenager; my body is "marred". In my disagreement with you, I am not arguing "for" tattoos; rather, I am saying that the argument you are presenting against tattoos is not valid, because it does not hold in every situation.
 

Moses_Young

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2 threads about tattoos :rolleyes:

Nothing to worry about.
There won't be any old tattoos at the resurrection. We'll get new ones.



Rev 3
12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.


Rev 14:1
Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.


Rev 22:4
4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads
I think the issue is the new mark won't go with the old. ;-)
 

Moses_Young

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It isn't the artwork we are speaking of, I am an artist as the painting of the rose you see tells you. But art should not use skin for a canvass. It is in very poor taste.
Do we let our kids draw and paint on our church buildings? Why not? As a sign of respect? How much more should we respect our (God's) bodies, which are His true temple.
 

Moses_Young

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Ah, so kinda like when boys are born they're "intact" but later Yahweh made a covenant of circumcision? Did Yahweh make a mistake in not creating males already circumcised? Should the people have ignored what Yahweh said because "the body is already perfect"?
He had us change the appearance of a body that, in the beginning, was perfect.

I'm not saying circumcision is bad or that God was wrong. I'm just pointing out that He did allow for a change to his perfection.
My view is that as Christians (or in the Old Testament, Israelites), God owns us. So although we were not at liberty to alter our bodies, God was. So if circumcision was his command for males? Off with the excess skin, to be in obedience. But as He commanded against other sorts of body markings, to get these markings would be disobedience, just as much as circumcision was obedience.

I think the only other markings He permitted were puncturing the ear lobes (and nose) for slaves/servants.

I accept we are not under the law, but if Christians no longer practice markings for compliance with the law, how much less should we practice markings that were done in disobedience to it. All things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial.
 

posthuman

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i put this video in a thread not too long ago, about why the mark of the beast is on the hand and forehead.
it's by an Italian history professor who especially likes ancient weapons & armor, and especially-especially likes ancient Rome -- maybe not your cup of tea for youtube content, but he's informative and well-researched.


synopsis: tattoos were not common in the Greco-Roman world, if present at all, as a means of personal expression or decoration. they were used quite often however, particularly to mark (1) soldiers and (2) criminals and/or slaves. they would often in fact tattoo a description of a persons crimes on their foreheads, and mark slaves and soldiers on their hand, presumably as a sort of 'brand' to make escape or desertion very difficult to hide.

just thought it's kind of relevant to the discussion; enjoy
 

Poinsetta

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my mom tattoed her eyeliners and eyebrows, will she be going to heaven?
 

Lanolin

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Jesus has tattoos...the marks on his hand and feet at the crucifixtion left indelible scars.

I think a lot of people dont willingly want tattoos either many get forced or pressured to have them.

Some tattoos arent for the dead, though. They are just pictures. So maybe its the intent behind it.
 

Lanolin

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Have you read the Sneetches by Dr Seuss.

I think if anybody is thinking of getting a tattoo, christian or not, they should read this book first.
 
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This truly puzzles me. How could anybody believe there is no such thing as a christian tattoo or that tattoos are a sin. My little sister just got a bible verse tattooed on her. I think its super awesome.

Ive got Tattoos. I LOVE tattoos! Are you saying I need to repent? I want about 100 more tattoos. I think Jesus loves my tattoos. Im pretty sure when I get to heaven, Jesus isn't going to say "Dude, whats with all the tats? you ruined your body and you never apologized." ...... pretttttty sure Jesus is going to be all like "WOH! Thats a really cool back piece of me!"
 

shittim

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Christian faith is not a series of do this and don't do that but more relationship with the person of jesus Christ.
We are to take everything to Him as we pray without ceasing, seeking His direction and guidance. We are NOT to lean on our own understanding as we are no longer our own, we are His.
Did He tell you to self mutilate?
I have heard of people who have had tattoos miraculously removed when they accepted Christ and made Him Lord, I have yet to hear of them appearing when becoming His.
 
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This is my view about tattoos. There is no such thing as Christian tattoos. The Bible declares that all tattoos are of the devil!

This is what I wrote 10 years ago, and I still stand by it! So please read! (May God enlighten your eyes!)

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"The present article is more comprehensive, and should enlighten the open-minded reader about the ‘dark truths’ behind tattoos.

Historical Aspect

'History shows that tattoos have always been associated with paganism, shamanism, heathen (Baal worship), occult mysticism and demonism. The tattoo has never been associated with Christians, until the present decadent religious times. Wherever the Christian faith made its entrance, the tattoo made its exit.

'Tattoos where associated with shamans or magic-men (witch-doctors). A shaman is an intermediary between the natural and the supernatural worlds, who is in direct contact with spirits who are invariably evil. Tattooing was often a magical rite, linked to scarification and blood-letting, and the tattooing process involved complex rituals and taboos, known only to the shaman and his tribe. In tattooing the skin is punctured and the blood is drawn. Licking the blood during tattoo operations is not unknown. The puncturing was considered the ‘opening of inlets for evil to enter’. Tattoos were therefore channels for demonic possession. Even today, certain tattoo artists burn incense and light candles during tattoo operations, while others allow ‘demons to guide the tattoo needle over the client’s body’.

'Tattoos have always reflected a note of unabashed rebellion and marked deviancy. Hence tattoos were used to mark criminals, adulterers, traitors, deserters, the deviant and the outcast. Even the ancient Greeks and Romans did not tattoo themselves, but they branded slaves and criminals with tattoos. The Latin word for ‘tattoo’ is ‘stigma’ – which is a distinguishing mark cut into the flesh of a slave or a criminal, and was considered a mark of disgrace or reproach. By the early 1900s public opinion against tattoos was so strong that tattooed persons were considered freaks and found mostly in sideshows and circuses.

The Psychological Aspect

'It has been observed that criminals, drug addicts, sex perverts and social outlaws are the overwhelming majority of the tattooed. Hard rock bands sport sick and lewd tattoos. Gangs encourage tattoos to instill a sense of ‘belonging’. Tattoos carry a streak of aggression and anti-establishmentarianism and are subversive of morality. Death (inclusive of skulls, snakes, demons, flames) and pornography (lewd pictures, nude figures) are popular themes of tattoos. Psychologists have considered tattoos to be marks of personality disorder which is manifested later in criminal behavior. Low self-esteem, lack of self-control, sadomasochism, bondage, fetishism, bisexuality, antisocial personality, mania and bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia – are reflected in self-inflicted multiple tattoos. Studies have linked tattoos to homosexuality, lesbianism and gross sexual perversion.

Tattooed youth are more likely to engage in sexual intercourse, take to alcohol and drugs, and exhibit violent behavior, and drop out of high school – by as much as 4 times compared to non-tattooed youth.

The Christian Aspect

'Carnal Christians side-step the injuction in Leviticus 19;28 by arguing that the commandment is for Old Testament Israel and not for New Testament Christians. Does that mean that bestiality and child sacrifice which are forbidden in Leviticus are for Old Testament Israel and not for New Testament Christians? The New Testament does not have to spell out all sins. Smoking, for instance, is not mentioned in the Bible anywhere; but does it mean that smoking is not a vice or sin?

'Reputed Bible scholars and commentators have made in clear that the moral commandments in Leviticus are for all time and not just for Israel in the Old Testament age. Leviticus 19:28 says, ‘You shall not make any cutting in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you. I am the LORD.’ On this Matthew Henry, Merrill Unger and Jamieson, Fausset and Brown have made it amply clear that tattoos are forbidden by God. It is to be noted that while ‘cuttings’ are qualified by the phrase ‘for the dead’, ‘marks’ (or tattoos) have no such qualification. Which means that all tattoos (Christian and otherwise) are evil in God’s eyes.

'One of the arguments made by carnal Christians is that Lev 19.27 forbids haircuts. What Leviticus 19.27 is talking about is ‘rounding the corners of your head’ and ‘marring the corners of your beard’. These were heathen practices. One such practice was to cut the hair so that the head resembled a celestial globe. It is called a ‘tonsure’, a practice of heathens to honor their gods. The cutting of the flesh was demonstrated by the prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel. It is not to be forgotten that the demon-possessed man in Mark 5 was in the habit of cutting himself with stones. Cutting and masochistic self-flagellation is also practiced by Muslims during their festival of Muharram. In short, the injunctions in Lev 19:26-28 are a strong condemnation of heathen practices – witchcraft, astrology, cutting, tattooing, tonsures, etc.

'In 1 Samuel 15:23 we are told that ‘rebellion is like the sin of witchcraft’. Tattoos sported by today’s youth have been the mark of rebellion and hatred of authority (besides, rejection of all moral values). In God’s eyes, the sin of tattooing is like witch-craft. We have already seen the origins of tattoos in witch-craft and shamanism. It remains to be researched whether this ‘witch-craft’ has also led to widespread demon-possession. No, tattoos are not ‘body decoration’; they have nothing to do with fashion and beauty; but rather they are sinister signs of moral decay and infiltration by evil spirits into modern society.'


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Very well written. I wholeheartedly agree. When I played professional ball, my teammates got me to go along with them to a neighboring state that allowed tattoos. We were all going to get the team mascot tattooed on our bodies as a sign of unity. At the very last minute, I pulled out. Something inside me said it was wrong to do it. Now, many years later, I am glad it didn't go through with it. Thank you, Lord, for convicting me way back then. I love you, Lord Jesus 💘