The Truth About The Sabbath

[Karraster]

As a Christian I am still on a journey every day and I want to walk with Jesus and grow and learn and help others to find their way to God. And to know the truth - not to prove a point or to say I'm right and someone else is wrong.

Hi, yes I agree. I have only begun studying the feasts. If the Spring feasts were fulfilled, dates times everything just as prophecy, with jesus first coming, wouldn't it stand to reason that the Fall feasts would depict His second coming? Wow!! Why did I not know this before???This is the direction I'm being led, to study the feasts. Never have I done it, so I'm at square 1.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The Sabbath day was a celebration at the end of creation and was written in stone by God's own finger on Mt. Sinai - the law was written to show us what sin is. Jesus is the only way to God and by accepting His sacrifice is our salvation. Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial laws and in Matthew 5 He tells us the came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it and not one jot or tittle will change from the law until all is fulfilled.

Law keepers never seem to mention the fact that a key reason the law was established was to condemn those under it. They talk about the law as if it is their friend or advocate, not realizing that the law points out their sin and condemns them.

You are just repeating the same law-cultist talking points that devotees glean from those kinds of websites and then regurgitate here. Those falsehoods have ready been thoroughly debunked, so no need to do so again.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Hi, yes I agree. I have only begun studying the feasts. If the Spring feasts were fulfilled, dates times everything just as prophecy, with jesus first coming, wouldn't it stand to reason that the Fall feasts would depict His second coming? Wow!! Why did I not know this before???This is the direction I'm being led, to study the feasts. Never have I done it, so I'm at square 1.

Wow!! Have we heard this before or what? Is JesusLives one of you fellow shills sent to tag team with you?

 

[Kerry]

The omly thing law can do is condemn. Please show me where law redeems.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Karrraster Hi - I know I don't have all the answers but I know the one who does and that is God. I read every day out of the Bible to try and learn more about Him and pray for help in understanding. I think about the 10 commandments that were written in stone and placed in the ark in the most holy place. Common sense tells me that because they were placed where God stayed with the children of Israel during there 40 year journey in the wilderness that those commandments had to be pretty important to Him. God is perfect - He does not change, He is faithful and He can not lie. I believe that when all is said and done and Jesus has come the 2nd time to take us with Him that in heaven the 10 commandments will still be there in heaven with us. I just can't get the Bible verse out of my head that says If you love Me keep My commandments. I have a hard time saying I love God not because I don't want to I just see that I don't always keep His commandments. Yes, I understand that Jesus died for me and God sees His perfect life instead of my sinful one because I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior. But I want to say I love Him knowing I obey and I believe if I love Him I will keep His commandments. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

As a Christian I am still on a journey every day and I want to walk with Jesus and grow and learn and help others to find their way to God. And to know the truth - not to prove a point or to say I'm right and someone else is wrong.

You might want to try reading the bible more than the law-cultist websites that it sounds like you have become indoctrinated in. If you're honest, you will find that the bible doesn't say what your reasonings just said.

 

[Josh321]

You might want to try reading the bible more than the law-cultist websites that it sounds like you have become indoctrinated in. If you're honest, you will find that the bible doesn't say what your reasonings just said.

HeRose is right... the bible said let every man's word be a lie and his the truth [h=3]Romans 3:4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

if anyone tells you we need to keep the sabbath or any laws to be saved flee from that person, because the bible says those who have put on christ, is no longer under a law, for the old testament was by the following of the law to show righteousness the new testament is to have faith in God that's all it is and when God accepts that faith you put on christ and you receive His righteousness not yours at all his, if anyone tell you we have to keep any laws at all flee from that person because the bible said by our nature we do the things against the law the gentiles, that is why we have to be born again to change that nature to a heavenly nature which does the things of God, remember we are saved by individuals not by a nation or by a particular church only israel is saved by a nation, so make sure no one is leading you down the wrong path if your afraid that it would offend your church if you believe in such and such.. well what would you rather choose religion of man or become a son of God? just something to think about

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Jesus was teaching his disciples in Matthew chapter 5 in verse 17 - Do not think that I came to destroy the law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 - For assuredly, I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

This law-cultist talking point has already been thoroughly debunked.

When Jesus died on the cross the sacrificial law was fulfilled - the sacrifice of animals was a shadow of the sacrifice of Jesus but in verse 18 He is saying until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or tittle will change until all is fulfilled and not all is fulfilled because Jesus has not come and put an end to this wicked world yet. So as I read this scripture the law still stand even in the New Testament. And because Jesus came and died for us He has written His law on our hearts because we do live by grace because Jesus died for us. I accept Jesus perfect sacrifice for my sins and God sees Jesus perfect life instead of my sinful life. How grateful I am to God I don't have words to express my joy for His salvation through His Son. I can only praise Him for this free gift of salvation. I can't work my way into heaven Jesus has paid the price for me and I accept.

Out of one side of their mouths, law-cultists say that only the ceremonial, or sacrificial law as you call it, has been changed. Out of the other side of their mouths they say that GOD never changes to try to give credence to their dogma that the moral and civil laws have not changed.

The fact that the law of physical circumcision has been discarded proves that the civil law has changed also. It is by no means a sacrificial law.

Christ and his apostles said that faith in Christ and love of mankind fulfills all the law, so a reasonable person with a believing heart would conclude that the moral law has changed as well.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Sabbath keepers aren't working to keep the Sabbath - They are just Remembering to keep it like God asked them to.

Remembering and doing are two entirely different things. That's disingenuous for you to say that sabbath keepers aren't working to keep the sabbath because that is exactly what they're doing.

 

[Bookends]

hm glad to see birds of a feather flock together in falsehood

Is it of the mind of Christ to be glad about this?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." Col. 2:16-17.

This was from post #14 but other posts talk about the shadow of things also - so I guess my question is If people who refer to this shadow seem to be talking about things being done away with from the Old Testament - Why does this verse above from the New Testament talking about different issues such as food, drink, festivals, new moons or Sabbaths say ARE a shadow of things to come instead of WERE a shadow of things to come? From that verse my understanding is that all items mentioned are still of importance in the New Testament?? Just wondering.

Paul wrote that when those things were still in existence. Jerusalem had not yet been destroyed.

 

[Bookends]

Sounds like Catholic teaching to me. I am not Catholic.

It is WB Branham. A so called modern prophet of the 20th century.

I generally agree with the sermon, but not all. I don't see Branham as a prophet for many of the things He says I deem to be false. He is a trinity denier for one.

Here is the source. http://endtimemessage.info/chp 25- True Sabbath.pdf

 

[Josh321]

it's the same seed of the spirit of the pharisees coming down throughout the ages, but what did Jesus call them?
[h=3]John 8:40-45[/h]King James Version (KJV)

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


do everything right, try to keep the commandments perfectly righteous people, always praising God but they failed.. to realize the truth and despite all of that look what they were called the devil's child

 

[zone]

i know of whom you speak of exactly dear brother josh321... god bless you and may you be made exactly into the very image of our lord jesus christ according to the beautiful prayer prayed for the sons and daughters of god by our lord jesus christ himself.

for in each time and age from the very beginning unto now god sent us a messenger with a message to be delivered to us by this messenger with god's own very message to all 3 different believers dear brother.

may our father in heaven be glorified and praised with a divinely godly love and may his will be done onto all according to his holy plan of redemption.

god bless

William Branham... arch-heretic

 

[KohenMatt]

His people? I see numerous people in scripture who I would call GOD's people, yet I can't find anything in scripture that says they were told to keep the sabbath. In fact, the evidence shows that the children of Israel who escaped from Egypt were the first to receive that commandment. Anything beyond this is speculation.

God's people were told to keep the Sabbath in the Torah and the OT. Even at the beginning of NT times, that was still the instruction to God's people. That's why so many of the instructions are to be kept "eternally". The existence of the NT and it's teachings doesn't by default wipe away all of the physical instruction written in the OT. Jesus never changed the Sabbath. He wanted it to continue. Just because God stopped telling people to do it doesn't mean He wanted them to stop.

Let's say I tell my son to practice the piano. Now, maybe I have to tell him a couple of times because he wants to disobey. But he eventually starts doing it. Would it be right for him to stop because "Dad stopped telling me to do it"? If a parent gives an instruction to a child to do something, the child needs to keep doing it until told not to. Unless that task has a finite or instructed end, that child should continue.

Which is my perspective on the entire Torah. Jesus never told His people to stop. Paul wrote some letter to specific groups of people in a specific situation a specific message. But as a blanket change of daily activity to all of God's people, that didn't happen. If God is going to do a complete 180 on the instructions He gave THOUSANDS of years before Paul, you would think God would make a much bigger deal out of it than a few letters to specific groups of people in a specific situation a specific message.

Like God/Jesus Himself saying to change it.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

God's people were told to keep the Sabbath in the Torah and the OT. Even at the beginning of NT times, that was still the instruction to God's people. That's why so many of the instructions are to be kept "eternally". The existence of the NT and it's teachings doesn't by default wipe away all of the physical instruction written in the OT. Jesus never changed the Sabbath. He wanted it to continue. Just because God stopped telling people to do it doesn't mean He wanted them to stop.

Let's say I tell my son to practice the piano. Now, maybe I have to tell him a couple of times because he wants to disobey. But he eventually starts doing it. Would it be right for him to stop because "Dad stopped telling me to do it"? If a parent gives an instruction to a child to do something, the child needs to keep doing it until told not to. Unless that task has a finite or instructed end, that child should continue.

Which is my perspective on the entire Torah. Jesus never told His people to stop. Paul wrote some letter to specific groups of people in a specific situation a specific message. But as a blanket change of daily activity to all of God's people, that didn't happen. If God is going to do a complete 180 on the instructions He gave THOUSANDS of years before Paul, you would think God would make a much bigger deal out of it than a few letters to specific groups of people in a specific situation a specific message.

Like God/Jesus Himself saying to change it.

Can you show me when anyone from Adam to Joseph (and during the 400 years after Joseph) was told to observe the sabbath? No. So like I said, to state such is nothing more than speculation (or wishful thinking).

Your reasonings don't appeal to me because they don't correlate with scripture at all.

 

[KohenMatt]

Can you show me when anyone from Adam to Joseph (and during the 400 years after Joseph) was told to observe the sabbath? No. So like I said, to state such is nothing more than speculation (or wishful thinking).

Your reasonings don't appeal to me because they don't correlate with scripture at all.

Can you show me anywhere where they were told NOT to observe the Sabbath? No. Your stance that they didn't is nothing more than speculation. Your reasonings don't appeal to me because there is no Scripture where God changes it. At least I have Scripture of God telling His people to celebrate it.

What we do have is God directly telling His people to observe the Sabbath eternally. What we don't have is God HIMSELF ever changing it.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Can you show me anywhere where they were told NOT to observe the Sabbath? No. Your stance that they didn't is nothing more than speculation.

What we do have is God directly telling His people to observe the Sabbath eternally. What we don't have is God HIMSELF ever changing it.

That's just the stance of unbelief. The NT is clear that the authority of the law of Moses has been nullified. So by mere extension the sabbath is a non-binding law; It exists only on the books and is non-enforceable. There is no law against love.

 

[danschance]

Can you show me anywhere where they were told NOT to observe the Sabbath? No. Your stance that they didn't is nothing more than speculation. Your reasonings don't appeal to me because there is no Scripture where God changes it. At least I have Scripture of God telling His people to celebrate it.

What we do have is God directly telling His people to observe the Sabbath eternally. What we don't have is God HIMSELF ever changing it.

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:4

Hmmmmm..... How is Christ the end of the law? Hmmmmm.

 

[Hizikyah]

"end of the Law" is not the meaning of the greek, "goal of the Law" is

unless you call Messiah a liar?

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors and their works do follow them!"

Mattithyah 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."

Why would MEssiah IN A MESSAGE ONLY TO THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIM, be saying pray its not on the Sabbath?

Is He saying that since the Sabbath is "every day" pray it never happens? NO, every day is a lie.

Or is He saying this because the Sabbath is still valid in the endtimes?

 

[Isdaniel]

Hmmmmm..... How is Christ the end of the law? Hmmmmm.


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