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loverofjesus27

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Originally Posted by loverofjesus27

Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels went forth to battle with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought. But they were defeated, and there was no room found for them in heaven any longer.

Amen.

Here is where the dominions in the heavenly places were thrown out. At the end and in the book of revelation Michael and his army of angels had a war with all of them and the dragon and there was no more room in there so they became thrown out.


Please share your visions, revelations and thoughts or comments here.
 
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Originally Posted by loverofjesus27

Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels went forth to battle with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought. But they were defeated, and there was no room found for them in heaven any longer.

Amen.

Here is where the dominions in the heavenly places were thrown out. At the end and in the book of revelation Michael and his army of angels had a war with all of them and the dragon and there was no more room in there so they became thrown out.


Please share your visions, revelations and thoughts or comments here.
This will take place after the Rapture of the Church.
 
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Originally Posted by loverofjesus27

Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels went forth to battle with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought. But they were defeated, and there was no room found for them in heaven any longer.

Amen.

Here is where the dominions in the heavenly places were thrown out. At the end and in the book of revelation Michael and his army of angels had a war with all of them and the dragon and there was no more room in there so they became thrown out.


Please share your visions, revelations and thoughts or comments here.
With Revelation we are given A testimony and a wonderfull vision.
Amen.

At the same time as believers it is important to remember to be reverent of warnings in them.
This particular subject is to be approached delicately and with Diligence of the whole Armor.

If anyone is seeking for Understanding from our Lord and Redeemer, do so with the Law and the Prophets as a terrain and the Ruach (Holy Spirit as their Counsel.

Blessings Always
 
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Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

The nation of Israel,and Jesus.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The 7 heads,5 are fallen,1.Egypt 2.Assyria 3.Babylon 4.Medo-Persia 5.Greece.One that is in operation when John wrote Revelation 6.Roman Empire.One that is in the future and will continue a short space three and one half years 7.Ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section 8.man of sin,beast,who will be of the 7 which means the devil influenced those kingdoms,and will rule for three and one half years after the ten horn kingdom fails at obtaining peace on earth.

The crowns are on the heads,Satan in the spiritual realm deceiving people.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

The crowns are on the horns,Satan in the physical realm deceiving people.

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.

The rebellion in heaven when Satan and his angels were kicked out of the third heaven,and the devil is the prince of the power of the air ruling in the second heaven.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Jesus who will rule on earth for 1000 years in the future which there will be peace.

God has to end this sin business on earth one day so He is causing all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and when they do then repentance and salvation are no longer available to them,and God can put them down.

God will give them 7 years to have their way,and Israel is protected for the first three and one half years,for God has the plan to restore the kingdom on earth to her when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

This war has not happened yet,and will be the time for God to give the world the man of sin to rule over them so He can end this sin business on earth,which they had three and one half years to turn to God but after the 6th trumpet God said they would not repent of their sins and turn to Him so He allows the man of sin to rule over them.

An example is WW1,League of Nations set up,did not turn to God,WW2,United Nations set up,did not turn to God,and that pattern will continue until God gives them the man of sin to rule over them and deceive all people who do not love God.

Daniel had a vision of 4 beasts,1.Babylon,Medo-Persia,Greece,and the Roman Empire.

Babylon had the Revelation of God when king Nebuchadnezzar ruled,and was the most favored Gentile kingdom when they rode on eagle's wings,but the king's son took the throne and blew it,so God gave the kingdom to the Medes and Persians,and then Babylon became known as the kingdom of man.

The first three kingdoms will never have dominion again,and are part of the 5 that are fallen of the 7 heads,but their lives were prolonged for a season and time,which means their ways are still on earth.

The Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down,then the saints will take over the kingdom,and they will become ten horns,which is the world split in to ten section with a leader in each section,who rule for three and one half years,who hand their power to the beast who is of the ten horns and he gets control of the world and rules for three and one half years.

The first three beast will never have dominion again,but their ways are still on earth,which Babylon,lion,represents human religion,and the kingdom of man,Medo-Persia,bear,represents physical cruelty,Greece,leopard,human wisdom.

They all show up in the beast kingdom,the dominion is the Roman Empire,with the ways of Babylon,Medo-Persia,and Greece,for it is the kingdom of man in its entirety.

Dominion of the world,going by their own religion,being physically cruel,and going by their own wisdom,with no input from God for the beast acknowledges no personal God,but honors the God of forces,or the power of nature as his higher power.

The beast kingdom is referred to as Babylon,for she represents the kingdom of man,and a person either belongs to Babylon,the kingdom of man,or the kingdom of God,but the dominion is of the Roman Empire for Babylon will never have physical dominion again.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The devil will try to take away as many people as possible,and if not spiritual,then physical.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Israel is protected for the last three and one half years.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The devil will go against all people that keep the commandments of God,and have the testimony of Jesus,and when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles then God will turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and the world will attack Jerusalem,Israel,and Jesus will save them,and defeat the world.

The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East which will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews and Gentiles will be separated,and the Jews not in the nations anymore,which is what God wants to happen.

The Gentile nations will come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth.

The ten horn kingdom will fail at obtaining peace on earth,and they will follow the beast,and when they do salvation is no longer available to them,and God will turn Israel to the truth.

God has to end this sin business on earth one day so He is causing all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,then He will put them down.

Revelation is a revelation of Jesus Christ to the world,and a warning to the world to turn to God so they can escape the beast kingdom when the time comes.
 

loverofjesus27

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New Revelation: the mouthwash that i threw away contained alcohol ingredients. All hail thee revelation.
 

Bladerunner

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With Revelation we are given A testimony and a wonderfull vision.
Amen.

At the same time as believers it is important to remember to be reverent of warnings in them.
This particular subject is to be approached delicately and with Diligence of the whole Armor.

If anyone is seeking for Understanding from our Lord and Redeemer, do so with the Law and the Prophets as a terrain and the Ruach (Holy Spirit as their Counsel.

Blessings Always


NO the Law and Prophets ended with John...
 

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Originally Posted by loverofjesus27

Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels went forth to battle with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought. But they were defeated, and there was no room found for them in heaven any longer.

Amen.

Here is where the dominions in the heavenly places were thrown out. At the end and in the book of revelation Michael and his army of angels had a war with all of them and the dragon and there was no more room in there so they became thrown out.


Please share your visions, revelations and thoughts or comments here.
Somewhat off topic, but curious as to why you have a non-biblical angel for an avatar.
Even the style of the artwork is reminiscent of many "hidden knowledge" types of teaching. And, yes, I did look it up. There is nothing to suggest the image is reflective of anything godly and nothing I found to link it to anything godly.
 

loverofjesus27

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Somewhat off topic, but curious as to why you have a non-biblical angel for an avatar.
Even the style of the artwork is reminiscent of many "hidden knowledge" types of teaching. And, yes, I did look it up. There is nothing to suggest the image is reflective of anything godly and nothing I found to link it to anything godly.

Ok: someone said that Melquisedec (the guy in the profile pic and the avatar) was Jesus “THE HIGH PRIEST” and thee profet? Or saint.
 

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Ok: someone said that Melquisedec (the guy in the profile pic and the avatar) was Jesus “THE HIGH PRIEST” and thee profet? Or saint.
Nope. Not from what I found. Multiple sites listed him as an angel never mentioned in the bible. I'll get more info in a few.
 

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You realize there is a heavenly realm right here on earth. I think this is your second heaven where Satan rules the air(ways).
The rebellion in heaven when Satan and his angels were kicked out of the third heaven,and the devil is the prince of the power of the air ruling in the second heaven.
Your reference: Job 1:7: "And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

This war has not happened yet,and will be the time for God to give the world the man of sin to rule over them so He can end this sin business on earth,which they had three and one half years to turn to God but after the 6th trumpet God said they would not repent of their sins and turn to Him so He allows the man of sin to rule over them.
I think this war happen long before the Garden of Eden. Satan was actually running things for God before he was cast out of God's government (prophetic mountain-see Ezek. 28:16). :cool:
 
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Lets not forget about all Demon Spirits will not have access to Heaven any more after the Rapture of the Church: This includes "lying spirits" 1 King 22:21-22, "familiar spirits" 1 Samuel 28:7, "seducing spirits" 1 Timothy 4:1, and unclean spirts Jesus spoke of many times, etc.
 

loverofjesus27

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Nope. Not from what I found. Multiple sites listed him as an angel never mentioned in the bible. I'll get more info in a few.
i never heard of him in the bible i believe there was a Melquisedec in the bible but i don’t know his story. Just that: only Jesus would give himself as a sacrifice.
 

Ugly

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According to SacredImgage-AMI.com (AMI = Ascension Mastery International, a site on Ascended Masters, Buddhist art, "Christian" art, Awareness Guides, etc..." they sell a print of that picture (the name is coming up as you said, but not the meaning) that states "Melchizedek is High Priest of the cosmic Order of Melchizedek, which includes all who serve from divine guidance. Though he has lived on earth, he was not born and did not die. Melchizedek gifts mankind with freedom, forgiveness, creativity, the science of alchemy and transmutation, and sacred ritual. Here he tends the Holy Grail and its Flame of Life."
The site also refers to him as a 'cosmic being'. This picture is sold alongside other New Age/occult individuals prints.
A page on Pinterest has him catagorized as 'ascended master' and 'guardian angel'.
Some do seem to connect Jesus too, but so far i'm not seeing it in any Christian form.

Really, though, i could tell, before even looking it up, that the image is based in new age/occult simply by the style of artwork. New Age artwork is very distinctive looking. Even when they try to lessen it to not be so obvious i find it easy to spot immediately. Every time I've looked at artwork (or even a logo) and suspected New Age i have been right. I learned to recognize it when i was a teen.

There may be some genuine Christian connection meant between the two (i can't say for sure) but i can say the artwork is definitely new age/occult style, regardless of your intentions or what anyone else has said to you.
 

MarcR

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You realize there is a heavenly realm right here on earth. I think this is your second heaven where Satan rules the air(ways).
Your reference: Job 1:7: "And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."


I think this war happen long before the Garden of Eden. Satan was actually running things for God before he was cast out of God's government (prophetic mountain-see Ezek. 28:16). :cool:
I agree. Hence Is 14:12 and IMO the Gen 1:1-2-3 gap(s)
 

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Originally Posted by loverofjesus27

Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels went forth to battle with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought. But they were defeated, and there was no room found for them in heaven any longer.

Amen.

Here is where the dominions in the heavenly places were thrown out. At the end and in the book of revelation Michael and his army of angels had a war with all of them and the dragon and there was no more room in there so they became thrown out.


Please share your visions, revelations and thoughts or comments here.

Hello LoverofJesus27,

That war in heaven where Satan and his angels are thrown out and restricted to the earth, has not taken place yet. This event is the result of the sounding of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe.

After the 4th trumpet is sounded, the following announcement is made:

"And as I observed, I heard an eagle flying overhead, calling in a loud voice, “Woe! Woe! Woe to those who dwell on the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the remaining three angels!”

Trumpets 5, 6 and 7 are referred to as woes, and that because each one is demonic in nature and
which which will take place in chronological order. That said, the world has not yet experienced either the 5th or 6th trumpet, nor any of the trumpets or seals for that matter.

At the 5th trumpet/1st woe, an angel unlocks the Abyss and releases those demonic beings who are not given power to kill, but only to torment the inhabitants of the earth with stings like that of a scorpion for five months.

After that, the 6th angel will sound his trumpet and those four angels who are currently bound at the Euphrates River will be released and will gather their demonic army of 200 million and will kill one third of mankind.

Therefore, before the 7th trumpet war in heaven can take place, trumpet woes 5 and 6 must take place before the 7th trumpet. The events of Revelation 12 are literal future events that will take place in the middle of that coming seven year period.
 
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i never heard of him in the bible i believe there was a Melquisedec in the bible but i don’t know his story. Just that: only Jesus would give himself as a sacrifice.
That's Melchizedek
 
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i never heard of him in the bible i believe there was a Melquisedec in the bible but i don’t know his story. Just that: only Jesus would give himself as a sacrifice.
The Torahless (lawless)
Ingnore the Toruth and the Prophets in order to decieve. The hairy mantle of deceit is used to keep people from leaning on the Lord in the Spirit of Understaing.
I believe it was Paul that gave credence to proper Instruction in rightly dividing the Word.

Adonai sent Natan to David. He came and said to him, “In a certain city there were two men, one rich, the other poor. 2 The rich man had vast flocks and herds; 3 but the poor man had nothing, except for one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and reared. It had grown up with him and his children; it ate from his plate, drank from his cup, lay on his chest — it was like a daughter to him. 4 One day a traveler visited the rich man, and instead of picking an animal from his own flock or herd to cook for his visitor, he took the poor man’s lamb and cooked it for the man who had come to him.”

5 David exploded with anger against the man and said to Natan, “As Adonai lives, the man who did this deserves to die! 6 For doing such a thing, he has to pay back four times the value of the lamb — and also because he had no pity.”

7 Natan said to David, “You are the man.

“Here is what Adonai, the God of Isra’el says: ‘I anointed you king over Isra’el. I rescued you from the power of Sha’ul. 8 I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives to embrace. I gave you the house of Isra’el and the house of Y’hudah. And if that had been too little, I would have added to you a lot more.

9 “‘So why have you shown such contempt for the word of Adonai and done what I see as evil? You murdered Uriyah the Hitti with the sword and taken his wife as your own wife; you put him to death with the sword of the people of ‘Amon. 10 Now therefore, the sword will never leave your house — because you have shown contempt for me and taken the wife of Uriyah the Hitti as your own wife.’ 11 Here is what Adonai says: ‘I will generate evil against you out of your own household. I will take your wives before your very eyes and give them to your neighbor; he will go to bed with your wives, and everyone will know about it. 12 For you did it secretly, but I will do this before all Isra’el in broad daylight.’”

13 David said to Natan, “I have sinned against Adonai.”

Natan said to David, “Adonai also has taken away your sin. You will not die. 14 However, because by this act you have so greatly blasphemed Adonai, the child born to you must die.” 15 Then Natan returned to his house.

Adonai struck the child that Uriyah’s wife had borne to David, and it became very ill. 16 David prayed to God on behalf of the child; David fasted, then came and lay all night on the ground. 17 The court officials got up and stood next to him trying to get him off the ground, but he refused, and he wouldn’t eat food with them. 18 On the seventh day, the child died. The servants of David were afraid to tell him that the child was dead, because they said, “While the child was still alive, we spoke to him, and he didn’t listen to us; if we tell him now that the child is dead, he may do himself some harm.” 19 But when David saw his servants whispering to each other, he suspected that the child was dead. David asked his servants, “Is the child dead?” and they answered, “He is dead.”

20 Then David got up off the ground, washed, anointed himself and changed his clothes. He went into the house of Adonai and worshipped; then he went to his own palace; and when he asked for food, they served it to him; and he ate. 21 His servants asked him, “What are you doing? You fasted and wept for the child while it was alive; but now that the child is dead, you get up and eat food!” 22 He answered, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; because I thought, ‘Maybe Adonai will show his grace to me and let the child live.’ 23 But now that he’s dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”

24 David comforted his wife Bat-Sheva, came to her and went to bed with her; she gave birth to a son and named him Shlomo. Adonai loved him 25 and sent through Natan the prophet to have him named Y’didyah [loved by God], for Adonai’s sake.




(0) For the leader. A psalm of David, 2 when Natan the prophet came to him after his affair with Bat-Sheva:
3 (1) God, in your grace, have mercy on me;
in your great compassion, blot out my crimes.
4 (2) Wash me completely from my guilt,
and cleanse me from my sin.
5 (3) For I know my crimes,
my sin confronts me all the time.
6 (4) Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done what is evil from your perspective;
so that you are right in accusing me
and justified in passing sentence.
7 (5) True, I was born guilty,
was a sinner from the moment my mother conceived me.
8 (6) Still, you want truth in the inner person;
so make me know wisdom in my inmost heart.
9 (7) Sprinkle me with hyssop, and I will be clean;
wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.
10 (8) Let me hear the sound of joy and gladness,
so that the bones you crushed can rejoice.
11 (9) Turn away your face from my sins,
and blot out all my crimes.
12 (10) Create in me a clean heart, God;
renew in me a resolute spirit.
13 (11) Don’t thrust me away from your presence,
don’t take your Ruach Kodesh away from me.
14 (12) Restore my joy in your salvation,
and let a willing spirit uphold me.
15 (13) Then I will teach the wicked your ways,
and sinners will return to you.
16 (14) Rescue me from the guilt of shedding blood,
God, God of my salvation!
Then my tongue will sing
about your righteousness —
17 (15) Adonai, open my lips;
then my mouth will praise you.
18 (16) For you don’t want sacrifices, or I would give them;
you don’t take pleasure in burnt offerings.
19 (17) My sacrifice to God is a broken spirit;
God, you won’t spurn a broken, chastened heart.
20 (18) In your good pleasure, make Tziyon prosper;
rebuild the walls of Yerushalayim.
21 (19) Then you will delight in righteous sacrifices,
in burnt offerings and whole burnt offerings;
then they will offer bulls on your altar.
 
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