The works of the law of righteousness vs works by faith to justification

[ChosenbyHim]

Are works of the law the same as works of faith? And if not, then what's the difference?

Romans 4:3-17 KJV
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. [4] Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. [5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. [6] Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, [7] Saying , Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. [8] Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. [9] Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only , or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. [10] How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. [11] And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: [12] And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. [13] For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. [14] For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: [15] Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. [16] Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, [17] (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.


Galatians 3:1-10 KJV
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? [2] This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? [3] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? [4] Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. [5] He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? [6] Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. [7] Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. [8] And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying , In thee shall all nations be blessed. [9] So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. [10] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

 

[Kerry]

Look at the color of the name. If it is blue, the person is a male, if magenta or pink, the person is a female. That is how you know their gender.
Words without power don't accomplish much. If you get a person healed, they will be more eager to listen.

Okay you have enlightened me on the CC thing. Thanks
Think of what you just said, can you, in your might, heal a person. Maybe if you are a doctor and God has revealed to you a cure or help. All healing comes from the Lord. That means an aspirin which god gave us for headaches and other pain not to mention that it comes from the bark of a TREE.

 

[Hoffco]

Please remember Paul (GOD) also wrote in Rom.2:6-13 God"Who will render to each one according to his deeds: Eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory,honor and immortality; But to those who are self seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-indignation and wrath, (eternal Hell)......... v13,"For not the hearers of the law will be justified before God , but the doers of the law, will be justified;" Rom.5:18-21 "...justification of life......many will be made righteous (constituted,constructed, built, a new righteous being ,a new heart,nature) ....So that sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom.622-23 "But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Eph. 2:8-10 ...saved by grace..through faith... unto good works...(James 2 ...no works, no faith)...James 2:24 "..'justified by works.. not by faith only"... Please also read Gal 6;7-10 .. "SOW TO FLESH,REAP CORRUPTION.. SOW TO SPIRIT, REAP ETERNAL LIFE.. " HOW ,IN THE WORLD , CAN ANY ONE READ THE BIBLE AND COME UP WITH JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH ALONE ??? Justification is first by GRACE, then by FAITH, then by WORKS. As Jesus said,"by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned" Mt.12:37 and see John 5:28-29"..all in the graves will hear His voice And come forth-those who have done good, to a resurrection of life and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation." How dare we say, just believe on Jesus as savior and you will be saved, no way! Repent, trust, and obey Jesus for eternal life! Hoffco

 

[homwardbound]

home, that's dead to the old man.
we 'sposed to be alive to Christ and the church.
i think the poster was mentioning good works (which God ordained beforehand christians would walk in).
it just means in our daily lives - being a good dentist or mother or pastor.
a good neighbour, daughter, sunday school teacher.

no worries - christians will do them.
and do.
k....zone

yes those that believe do, yes that be correct. Yet many are trying to do this by flesh effort and are not accomplishing it, and not seeing as Paul so many times said to be dead to self, co-crucify self with Christ at the death of Christ and be risen along with Christ in the Spirit of.
Because as I see what scripture states is
John 4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
John 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

No flesh in God's sight will ever please God, we are in unredeemed bodies, so as Paul said the only way out of this is to consider thyself dead to self. and thus we see the new self, alive to God by God through the resurrected Christ
Which is what Christ came to do, to give us life more abundantly
John 10:10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

yet the enemy is still out at work, doing its best to steal, kill and destroy, and can only do this if the enemy can keep one alive in the energy of their own flesh, not seeing to die to self with Christ at the cross.
For if one is dead to sin, sin has no more rein over them, just as Paul used the married woman as an allegory to bring home truth to us all, as in die to self. Then we are freed to be married to Christ. Romans 7

 

[homwardbound]

What part of self are you talking about? There are many different parts to you. The lust of the eyes, the dull ears, or the sinful flesh, the body of sin or the old man, the mind, the heart of flesh, or the reins, the soul, the spirit, or the new man/creature?
It makes no difference, dead or alive, what matters is what you believe, say, and act on.

Dead to sin by Christ is dead to the insidious self, and one that is dead by the cross co-crucified is no longer troubled by sin, are alive to God in God's Spirit by the resurrection of Christ. With out the resurrection we are to pitied of all sin and are not freed from. 1 Cor 15.
How can one anyone be troubled by sin if they are dead to sin? that is what I mean by co-crucifixion with Christ aqt the death of Christ so we can then be presented
[h=3]Colossians 1:22-23[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— [SUP]23 [/SUP]if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

 

[homwardbound]

I mean no offense sir, but I have difficulty at times understanding and following some of the things you are trying to say.
What do you mean when you say, "The fight is flesh or Spirit of God, a choice and I can't perform the Spirit of God, God can though through me as long as I have co-crucified self with Christ being dead to Flesh-self and thus automatically alive to God in the Spirit of God, which is the only way God can be worshipped in Spirit and truth. No flesh actions are pleasing to God, people yes, and we as flesh continue to surround ourselves with other agreeing flesh and bash other flesh that is not in agreement, Thus working and never seeing how deep the love of God is to me, you and all that are caught up in the flesh game."
Frankly, I think you are above me, because I haven't the foggiest of what you are saying, or how to achieve whatever it is you said, neither do I comprehend your way of thinking.
Personally, I think you are too much into the flesh thingy. The way I see it, obeying the laws has more to do with the flesh, and walking by faith or the works of faith has more to do with walking in or after the Spirit.
If one is fighting the flesh, they are failing the fight of faith. Things you do on your own strengths, I think, are of the flesh, things done in the strength and power of God, well, that's God. And getting healed, that too is God.
Tell me sir, exactly, how does one walk by faith without the flesh getting in the way?
When you say, by or in the flesh and flesh actions, do you mean worldly things, or works done with your physical body, or... what?

I will try to explain, God willing you will see:
[h=3]Galatians 5:16-17[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Walking in the Spirit[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

Can flesh act as if it is walking in the Spirit of God? Or does it take being born again by God? no flesh works
Romans 8:8
So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Are we in unredeemed flesh here on earth?
Romans 8:23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

Okay so you see we are in unredeemed bodies, so what is the best that we can do with this. Listen to the world that says do the best you can and if you sin then ask God to forgive again and again and again?
Or die to self with Christ on the cross at his death, then becomes our death and then his life can become our life, the resurrected life
[h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

That being dead to sin is the same as being dead to self, flesh

[h=3]Romans 8:3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

So if one is fighting not to sin then that one is not dead to flesh, since all sin has been condemned to flesh

Now what today is the only way God can be worshipped?
John 4:23
But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
John 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

Saul was in the flesh and obeyed the commandments better than anyone and saw truth in Christ and co-crucified this self with Christ to gain Christ
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]All for Christ[/h]3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit,[SUP][a][/SUP] rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.


[h=3]Romans 6:4[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.











Newness of life is in God's Spirit, dead to self and alive to God
Hope this helps and that God reveals this truth to you

 

[homwardbound]

Thank you, I understand and agree with that sir.
Then is praying for wealth, so you can give to God and the poor, of self/flesh or is it godly?

depends on what God wants you to do, I have prayed in the past with the greatest of intentions, only to find out God wanted something different as Christ said to the disciples, when they came to him to try to get him to go back to that same place he was at the day before, stating they all are so excited over the miracles and Christ said no we are going over here, he had gotten his instructions for that day and did not deviate as flesh does, even though he was in flesh, the only flesh that God ahs ever been pleased 100% with.
Think this was written in Luke

 

[homwardbound]

I understand dying to self, but I fail to see how this ties in with works of faith. It sounds like any type of work done with the natural body in faith, is of the flesh.
When I hear God tell me something or get an answer to a prayer, I don't get puffed up, but feel special, loved, and humbled.

Then it is not you doing the work, it is God doing it through you.

 

[homwardbound]

Sister?! If you are addressing me, I'm a guy.
The word of God is a lamp to my feet and tells me what the will of God is in many areas of life. If God tells me that He wants me to have 'what things soever ye desire', then I pray for my desire to line up with His will and ask for my heart's desire. It is written that He causes us to both will and do of His good pleasure.

the key word, for his good pleasure all glory and credit is to God and for God, taking no credit for self. How can self take credit ever if it is dead to self and alive to God

 

[know1]

Romans 4:3-17 KJV
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. [4] Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. [5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. [6] Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, [7] Saying , Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. [8] Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. [9] Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only , or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. [10] How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. [11] And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: [12] And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. [13] For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. [14] For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: [15] Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. [16] Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, [17] (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.


Galatians 3:1-10 KJV
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? [2] This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? [3] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? [4] Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. [5] He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? [6] Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. [7] Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. [8] And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying , In thee shall all nations be blessed. [9] So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. [10] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

So, what are you trying to say sir?

 

[know1]

Okay you have enlightened me on the CC thing. Thanks
Think of what you just said, can you, in your might, heal a person. Maybe if you are a doctor and God has revealed to you a cure or help. All healing comes from the Lord. That means an aspirin which god gave us for headaches and other pain not to mention that it comes from the bark of a TREE.

If the headache or other pain is alleviated because of the aspirin the person took, it was not God that did the healing, it was the pill that deadened the pain of it.
I'm talking about God Himself intervening and healing a person without medication involved. Like some of the times He did for my wife and I, and many others.

 

[know1]

I will try to explain, God willing you will see:
So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Are we in unredeemed flesh here on earth?

Or die to self with Christ on the cross at his death, then becomes our death and then his life can become our life, the resurrected life

That being dead to sin is the same as being dead to self, flesh

So if one is fighting not to sin then that one is not dead to flesh, since all sin has been condemned to flesh

Saul was in the flesh and obeyed the commandments better than anyone and saw truth in Christ and co-crucified this self with Christ to gain Christ

Newness of life is in God's Spirit, dead to self and alive to God
Hope this helps and that God reveals this truth to you

So you have scripture to back up the self being the same as flesh? Again, I see them separate. When you say self, are you referring to the old, unregenerated man? Because we all, as Christians, have a good side to our self as well.

 

[know1]

Please remember Paul (GOD) also wrote in Rom.2:6-13 God"Who will render to each one according to his deeds: Eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory,honor and immortality; But to those who are self seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-indignation and wrath, (eternal Hell)......... v13,"For not the hearers of the law will be justified before God , but the doers of the law, will be justified;" Rom.5:18-21 "...justification of life......many will be made righteous (constituted,constructed, built, a new righteous being ,a new heart,nature) ....So that sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom.622-23 "But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Eph. 2:8-10 ...saved by grace..through faith... unto good works...(James 2 ...no works, no faith)...James 2:24 "..'justified by works.. not by faith only"... Please also read Gal 6;7-10 .. "SOW TO FLESH,REAP CORRUPTION.. SOW TO SPIRIT, REAP ETERNAL LIFE.. " HOW ,IN THE WORLD , CAN ANY ONE READ THE BIBLE AND COME UP WITH JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH ALONE ??? Justification is first by GRACE, then by FAITH, then by WORKS. As Jesus said,"by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned" Mt.12:37 and see John 5:28-29"..all in the graves will hear His voice And come forth-those who have done good, to a resurrection of life and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation." How dare we say, just believe on Jesus as savior and you will be saved, no way! Repent, trust, and obey Jesus for eternal life! Hoffco

But I thought we are not under the law.
What kind of works are you talking about specifically? Giving to the poor, helping someone or what? Give me a for instance.

 

[know1]

depends on what God wants you to do, I have prayed in the past with the greatest of intentions, only to find out God wanted something different as Christ said to the disciples, when they came to him to try to get him to go back to that same place he was at the day before, stating they all are so excited over the miracles and Christ said no we are going over here, he had gotten his instructions for that day and did not deviate as flesh does, even though he was in flesh, the only flesh that God ahs ever been pleased 100% with.
Think this was written in Luke

Psa_119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
Psa_119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
You missed it sir. Intentions, do not move the hand of God, faith does.
No one questions the will of God concerning salvation, which by the way, is a work of the flesh, because they came to Christ for selfish motives or for self preservation. That being to save themselves some serious pain and torment from the judgements of God.
Please interpret the words of the scripture below, and not what you believe it to mean or what you believe it is saying. Don't add anything to it, just tell me what the words say, if you would please.

Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Each section of this sentence is loaded with truth. So, what all is this verse saying as it is written, without the help of the other verses that go with it, that being verses 22 - 26?

 

[know1]

Then it is not you doing the work, it is God doing it through you.

ABSOLUTELY!!! It is God who does the work, not me. But He wouldn't have done a thing if I didn't apply the faith of Jesus that is in me, to the situation.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

 

[vic1980]

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Psalm 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

Psalm 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

Psalm 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

Psalm 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

God bless

Psalm 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.

Psalm 25:9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.

Psalm 25:10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

It's been always the same then and now since the Old Testament and New Testament God helping us , Because He first Love us

 

[know1]

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Psalm 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

Psalm 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

Psalm 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

Psalm 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

God bless

Psalm 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.

Psalm 25:9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.

Psalm 25:10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

It's been always the same then and now since the Old Testament and New Testament God helping us , Because He first Love us

AMEN!!! He is a Good God.

 

[Kerry]

Psa_119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
Psa_119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
You missed it sir. Intentions, do not move the hand of God, faith does.
No one questions the will of God concerning salvation, which by the way, is a work of the flesh, because they came to Christ for selfish motives or for self preservation. That being to save themselves some serious pain and torment from the judgements of God.
Please interpret the words of the scripture below, and not what you believe it to mean or what you believe it is saying. Don't add anything to it, just tell me what the words say, if you would please.

Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Each section of this sentence is loaded with truth. So, what all is this verse saying as it is written, without the help of the other verses that go with it, that being verses 22 - 26?

I seriously have to differ with what I bolded and underlined in your statement. No one and I mean no one is saved unless the Holy Spirit moves upon them. Yes we must place our faith in the work if the cross. Yes, man needs to here the gospel, but how will they here unless they are sent a peacher. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. So even our salvation is a work of the spirit and not of our own. You would not have believed unless God sent a preacher to you.

 

[know1]

I seriously have to differ with what I bolded and underlined in your statement. No one and I mean no one is saved unless the Holy Spirit moves upon them. Yes we must place our faith in the work if the cross. Yes, man needs to here the gospel, but how will they here unless they are sent a peacher. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. So even our salvation is a work of the spirit and not of our own. You would not have believed unless God sent a preacher to you.

I agree sir, and the same would apply to healing, or any other kind of answered prayer. You could say that it is the will of God for His children to be healed and made whole and to walk in the fullness of the covenant, since it is the Spirit that moves the person and does the work.

 

[just-me]

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Psalm 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

Psalm 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

Psalm 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

Psalm 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

God bless

Psalm 25:8 Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.

Psalm 25:9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.

Psalm 25:10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

It's been always the same then and now since the Old Testament and New Testament God helping us , Because He first Love us

Galatians 4:4-5 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
John 18:37 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

There is a subtle untruth that is propagated in the religious sect today, that even some ministers are unaware of as they stand behind the pulpit and minister to the congregation. This is that most of the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are not writings in Biblical history of the New Covenant Jesus fulfilled until He said;

John 19:30 (KJV) [SUP]30 [/SUP]When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Even the entire ministry of Jesus was under the Mosaic Law, defining the truth to the individual, when since Mount Sinai, the law was given to the nation of Israel.