The World is watching us, what do they see?

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Blik

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There are people out in the world who wonder what Christianity is all about and pull up our site to see Christianity. Do we show them the wonder and glory of the Lord, or a world of enemies and hate?

The glory and wonders of the Lord is centered in the gospel. When the Lord dwells in man then man takes on the love that is the Lord, yet this site often shows enemies created over such as whether Sunday or Saturday is better to have church. Even the gospel is used to create enemies, as the debate goes on over sin and how it applies to the gospel.

Is there a way we can use this site to show the love that is God? Because so many take the discussion on to establish hate and enemies, do you think it is best we never discuss scripture?
 

JaumeJ

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Keep in mind always, the world is not only watching, the world is here also. Yes we post in English, but our family in Jesus-Yeshua is in every country. We must respect this.

Even I live in Spain, and there are many in Messiah here. God bless all in Jesus.... j
 
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There are people out in the world who wonder what Christianity is all about and pull up our site to see Christianity. Do we show them the wonder and glory of the Lord, or a world of enemies and hate?

The glory and wonders of the Lord is centered in the gospel. When the Lord dwells in man then man takes on the love that is the Lord, yet this site often shows enemies created over such as whether Sunday or Saturday is better to have church. Even the gospel is used to create enemies, as the debate goes on over sin and how it applies to the gospel.

Is there a way we can use this site to show the love that is God? Because so many take the discussion on to establish hate and enemies, do you think it is best we never discuss scripture?
well, Christians are gonna disagree about different things, as seen on here.
It's unfortunate when the disagreeing goes further, to the point of getting mad at others.
 

Bingo

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"Normally I don't get involved in this forum, for the fact of witnessing far too much division, bringing
cause of contempt and animosity. @Blik brought out four things of great importance. The wondering, the gospel,
using this site to show the love God is, and is it best we never discuss scripture.
First, I am clear that the entirety of the Divine words surround Love and Life, one way or another. And, it is
my love of God's love, that is what I hope to share. And, it is my life to strive to apply and act upon the 'inspiration'
put forth by the words we are left with, this in itself, being a full time, daily challenge, now over two decades since
this journey began...Thank God!
To be realistic, Christianity has been so fragmented, we are left with a malady of spiritual
bankruptcy. And, the solution,
there is none, as all things will play out accordingly, and, I believe this has more or less been told about.
With this, each shall go about their own path, and I have learned God's inspiration has greatly influenced my life.
Inspiration of the Holy Spirit in ones own life...where goes one, let us go too. And, I will leave it at that."
~thoughts of 'this side of the glass'~


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Blik

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well, Christians are gonna disagree about different things, as seen on here.
It's unfortunate when the disagreeing goes further, to the point of getting mad at others.
Do you have any suggestions so we could disagree without it affecting the love we have for other Christians?

Paul suggests that we keep to the gospel, but if someone feels a doctrine in important, to go along with them otherwise we are a stumbling block. But then, who is to decide what doctrines are important?

If I apply this to myself, I believe it is important to my walk with the Lord that I acknowledge the seventh day, I would like to be able to say so and say why. But saying that is one of the reasons for enemies, and honoring either Saturday or Sunday has nothing to do with salvation. Should this subject be banned, then?

Would it be possible to make it a rule that differences in interpretation can never result in people becoming personal enemies over these things?
 

soberxp

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Do you have any suggestions so we could disagree without it affecting the love we have for other Christians?

Paul suggests that we keep to the gospel, but if someone feels a doctrine in important, to go along with them otherwise we are a stumbling block. But then, who is to decide what doctrines are important?

If I apply this to myself, I believe it is important to my walk with the Lord that I acknowledge the seventh day, I would like to be able to say so and say why. But saying that is one of the reasons for enemies, and honoring either Saturday or Sunday has nothing to do with salvation. Should this subject be banned, then?

Would it be possible to make it a rule that differences in interpretation can never result in people becoming personal enemies over these things?

Would it be possible to make it a rule that differences in interpretation can never result in people becoming personal enemies over these things?

Invincible means to have no enemy, not to beat the enemy to death. In Chinese, invincible means to have no enemy. Nothing, plus, the enemy.

A simple way, when there is disagreement, when replying and finally add,anyway hope that our differences will be happy ending in love of chirst.

In fact, all the Scriptures,
From the perspective of love,
remember story of Job in bible,
for him to experience all that he has lost,
He prefers to die himself.

But he endured the great pain.
He is the best as the best example, a great lesson for us and Satan.

Yes,love is endur


1 Corinthians 13:4-7
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.


And most importantly


Ephesians 3:19

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Tell yourself, angry, mad, what is it?
We don't know it
 

Magenta

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so many take the discussion on to establish hate and enemies...
Funny you should say that when you have likened me to Satan while complaining about how others judge you.

You make enemies of those with whom you disagree and then vilify and blame them.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Do you have any suggestions so we could disagree without it affecting the love we have for other Christians?

Paul suggests that we keep to the gospel, but if someone feels a doctrine in important, to go along with them otherwise we are a stumbling block. But then, who is to decide what doctrines are important?

If I apply this to myself, I believe it is important to my walk with the Lord that I acknowledge the seventh day, I would like to be able to say so and say why. But saying that is one of the reasons for enemies, and honoring either Saturday or Sunday has nothing to do with salvation. Should this subject be banned, then?

Would it be possible to make it a rule that differences in interpretation can never result in people becoming personal enemies over these things?
Paul suggests that we keep to the gospel, but if someone feels a doctrine in important, to go along with them otherwise we are a stumbling block. But then, who is to decide what doctrines are important?
Who decides what doctrines are important? God decides through His Word. Not every doctrine needs a seat at the Lord's table. Heresies and pagan rooted doctrines need to be defended against. Many of the New Testament books had portions defending the true gospel from false teachings.

honoring either Saturday or Sunday has nothing to do with salvation. Should this subject be banned, then?
Some topics are salvation issues to others. Which makes them important to debate. Because nevertheless, they are a counter belief to actual soul salvation.

Would it be possible to make it a rule that differences in interpretation can never result in people becoming personal enemies over these things?
No rule can change the heart. This site already has rules in place. The human condition is what prevented mankind from following all of God's laws in the OT. All people can do, is start within. A kind response or carefully worded disagreement can turn away anger or bring forth civil discussion. Even then there are those at times who feel it to be their righteous duty to silence someone they view as heretical. These folks are just best to put on ignore.
 

Blik

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A simple way, when there is disagreement, when replying and finally add,anyway hope that our differences will be happy ending in love of chirst.
What a thoughtful, wonderful study of this question, and I think the answer you outlined is inspired by the lord.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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More decision theology?
You think that non-believers are coming here to this site looking for answers, because they want to know about christianity before the convert?
Unbelievers that want christianity is a questionable prospect to start with. Much less ones that maybe wanna give christianity a test drive to see how it fits.
It maybe that a person under conviction by the Holy Spirit may stumble on to this site looking for answers and not find any. If it were the case they certainly wouldn't find any answers, But I doubt there are any such folks; coming here that is.
 

breno785au

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Do you have any suggestions so we could disagree without it affecting the love we have for other Christians?
Gentleness and self control is a good start.
I feel some people put doctrinal correctness over character at times.
 

Dino246

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Do you have any suggestions so we could disagree without it affecting the love we have for other Christians?
I think it would benefit some to understand what disagreement is... and perhaps more importantly, is not.

Disagreement is not arguing, or hatred, or wrath. It is not abuse, and it is not violence.

Disagreement is rejecting the ideas of another for "reasons"; it is done well when one states that one's own understanding of the subject under discussion is different from another's understanding, and is usually accompanied by information supporting one's understanding.

You'd have to be an unrepentant, moronic, arrogant fool not to get that...

And that is the problem. Most people run too quickly to character assassination (which was included for illustrative purposes only) instead of staying with discussion of ideas.

That said, when we come across patterns of thought or behaviour that appear inconsistent with biblical revelation and godly comportment, we find it difficult not to assume underlying character flaws.
 
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Do you have any suggestions so we could disagree without it affecting the love we have for other Christians?

Paul suggests that we keep to the gospel, but if someone feels a doctrine in important, to go along with them otherwise we are a stumbling block. But then, who is to decide what doctrines are important?

If I apply this to myself, I believe it is important to my walk with the Lord that I acknowledge the seventh day, I would like to be able to say so and say why. But saying that is one of the reasons for enemies, and honoring either Saturday or Sunday has nothing to do with salvation. Should this subject be banned, then?

Would it be possible to make it a rule that differences in interpretation can never result in people becoming personal enemies over these things?
do i have a suggestion ?
Er well, I suspect there is a difference of language on here, not swearing but differences of vernacular.
Eg, Brits, Americans, kiwis and Australians.
Similar English, but different interpretations.
Seems some folks on here are "offended" by me
Is acceptance too hard ?
Is that answer sufficient, or do you want more ?
 

p_rehbein

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The "world" saw Jesus in the flesh. SURELY HE was an excellent example of LOVE, GRACE, KINDNESS, UNDERSTANDING, AND HARMONY.

They NAILED Him to a cross!

Truth is, it is FAR more important how we believers who are members here fellowship with all the other members than worrying about what the "world" may see, read or think. We are told to "come out from them" and that we are a "peculiar people". Jesus said all that the "world" did to Him they would do to us, and worse.

Rather than seek the approval of the "world," we should be seeking to become "of one mind" with other believers. And, given that this is made very difficult with the vast number of interpretations of Scripture, and Denominational differences, and learned prejudices one group has for another, that is a huge mountain to climb.

Let us focus on doing this, and let the "world" take care of themselves. Jesus said "let the dead bury the dead."
 

Lafftur

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Here’s something to ponder.....:unsure:

The moon has no light of itself......the moon simply reflects the light of the sun.

Yet, the moon has stages of brightness and is always changing yet, the sun stays the same and the moon never shines as bright as the sun....:unsure:

True born again believers in Jesus Christ are like the moon and our Lord Jesus Christ is like the sun.


The world is in bondage in the darkness of night.....they know not the light of day.....

As the moon reflects the light of the sun, we reflect the Light of the Son into the darkness of the world..... sometimes brighter, sometimes dimmer..... :love:(y)
 

Blik

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Truth is, it is FAR more important how we believers who are members here fellowship with all the other members than worrying about what the "world" may see, read or think. We are told to "come out from them" and that we are a "peculiar people". Jesus said all that the "world" did to Him they would do to us, and worse."
I see your point, it is a good one. But as we are a peculiar people, is it too much to ask that we reflect Christ as we become that peculiar people?

Christ had so many enemies over what He taught they killed Him, perhaps it is unreasonable to think people on this post are above being like that.
There are many posters on this site who make it clear that they do not hold hateful thoughts against those they disagree with. It is only the few who do this.

I put those few on ignore, perhaps it is how they should be handled.
 
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There are people out in the world who wonder what Christianity is all about and pull up our site to see Christianity. Do we show them the wonder and glory of the Lord, or a world of enemies and hate?

The glory and wonders of the Lord is centered in the gospel. When the Lord dwells in man then man takes on the love that is the Lord, yet this site often shows enemies created over such as whether Sunday or Saturday is better to have church. Even the gospel is used to create enemies, as the debate goes on over sin and how it applies to the gospel.

Is there a way we can use this site to show the love that is God? Because so many take the discussion on to establish hate and enemies, do you think it is best we never discuss scripture?
What I personally do, is that I normally avoid answering posts that have irritated me the same day that I read them. I address such posts the following day when my emotions have subsided. I have found that I give a more objective and intellectual response than an emotional one when I do this.
It is not easy to say anything in a kind way when you are all fired up.
 

pottersclay

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What we have here are diffrent stages of growth. Others have studied what the Lord has placed on there hearts in depth.
I'm no fan of theology or idealisim as some may know.
We are all diffrent and used according to the potter. I think that God likes to challenges us in some respects to give us growth in the word and knowledge in him. We must be more of a berean and less of a you tube junkie.