The worm that dies not

[just-me]

That's right, you have to desire it, seek it, knock, ask the Lord to open it up to you. He has the keys that can unlock all the doors, but He can also conceal things, seal them up, and lock doors till the time He decides. He opens doors that no man can shut, and shuts doors that no man can open.

Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Let's get back to the OP and talk about "THEIR" worm where the fire is. As far as what I can see, I'm the only one that addressed it, but I'm sure there is more. I might be good to talk about it and cause some to be more intent of this warning. "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." Hebrews 4:1
see this post

 

[oldthennew]

oh yes, we are but a worm within a worm - can you not grasp it?

the supreme question is, why in the world does our Heavenly/Father/Creator choose US???

you all tell me......????

 

[blue_ladybug]

oh yes, we are but a worm within a worm - can you not grasp it?

the supreme question is, why in the world does our Heavenly/Father/Creator choose US???

you all tell me......????

who are you callin' a worm, you nightcrawler?? bwahahaha

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Let's get back to the OP and talk about "THEIR" worm where the fire is. As far as what I can see, I'm the only one that addressed it, but I'm sure there is more. I might be good to talk about it and cause some to be more intent of this warning. "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." Hebrews 4:1
see this post

I thought I made it clear what my thoughts were on the symbolism of the worm, even "their worm" as being sin, even "their sin." So no, your not the only one who addressed it. (just sayin)

 

[BradC]

The worm is a condition that resides in hell and dies not, never ending. It speaks of the conscience part of the soul of man that will eat as him as does a worm. The things that will eat at him are two fold. One, he will not ever be able to be gratified through the cravings of the flesh. He will desire and will not be able to be satisfied. That can be related to dying in sin. Secondly, his conscience will always be aware of the grace that was rejected in unbelief and that will grow stronger in terms of its torment and never die out.

 

[just-me]

I thought I made it clear what my thoughts were on the symbolism of the worm, even "their worm" as being sin, even "their sin." So no, your not the only one who addressed it. (just sayin)

In my study I thought it was sin at first also, but as I continued to study, I realized "their worm" was more of a reminder than it was their sin. It just keeps reminding one of a missed opportunity after being confined to where the fire is never quenched. The scripture you presented is about hell after this life on earth.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

In my study I thought it was sin at first also, but as I continued to study, I realized "their worm" was more of a reminder than it was their sin. It just keeps reminding one of a missed opportunity after being confined to where the fire is never quenched. The scripture you presented is about hell after this life on earth.

You should have stuck with your first thought.

 

[just-me]

In my study I thought it was sin at first also, but as I continued to study, I realized "their worm" was more of a reminder than it was their sin. It just keeps reminding one of a missed opportunity after being confined to where the fire is never quenched. The scripture you presented is about hell after this life on earth.

You should have stuck with your first thought.

Mark 9:43-48 (KJV)
[SUP]43[/SUP]And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[SUP]44[/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[SUP]45[/SUP]And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[SUP]46[/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[SUP]47[/SUP]And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[SUP]48[/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth , and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm (8438) shall not die , neither shall their fire be quenched ; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

תולע=Worm
8438 towla` to-law' and (feminine) towleoah {to-lay-aw'}; or towla ath {to-lah'-ath}; or tolaiath {to-lah'-ath}; from 3216; a maggot (as voracious); specifically (often with ellipsis of 8144) the crimson-grub, but used only (in this connection) of the color from it, and cloths dyed therewith:--crimson, scarlet, worm.
ת=Cross sticks=the cross at calvary
ו=tent peg=the inheritance that fastens the dwelling-place that is firmly grounded in truth
ל=shepherds staff=to teach, guide and direct the sheep
ע=eye, i.e. to watch and know *To watch and know the punishment and restoration (as Jonah’s gourd) of Israel, universality (including all the world), that describes the love of God by His unchanging judgments of the first 3 events. תול

 

[MarcR]

Here's a cool one, haven't quite figured it out all the way yet. But the manna (Like Jesus, Manna from heaven) was not to be left till the next morning, or it got worms in it and stank

Exodus 16:15-20[SUP]15 [/SUP]And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This is the thing which the Lord hath commanded, Gather of it every man according to his eating, an omer for every man, according to the number of your persons; take ye every man for them which are in his tents.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them."

Also notice same command with the Passover lamb....

Exodus 12:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

But I haven't figured out what leaving it till next morning might symbolize, got any ideas?

Yeah, I can see that with the manna in the wilderness, but what about with the Passover Lamb (and Jesus, the true Manna from heaven)?

Yes natural meat spoils, but the spiritual Manna does not (Holy One would not see corruption)

Also, Jesus said this....John 6:27 "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."

So no spoilage with that MANNA, But thanks for the input Marc.

With the Mana in the wilderness, not leaving it overnight was a test of faith and of obedience.

With the passover Lamb, the lamb was a figure of Jesus, who would not remain in the Grave long enough to decompose. The flesh of the lamb, in that same figure, was not to be allowed to spoil.

Jesus, as Spiritual Mana, once one has Him continues forever. Hence He remains over many nights.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Mark 9:43-48 (KJV)
[SUP]43[/SUP]And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[SUP]44[/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[SUP]45[/SUP]And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[SUP]46[/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[SUP]47[/SUP]And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[SUP]48[/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth , and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm (8438) shall not die , neither shall their fire be quenched ; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

תולע=Worm
8438 towla` to-law' and (feminine) towleoah {to-lay-aw'}; or towla ath {to-lah'-ath}; or tolaiath {to-lah'-ath}; from 3216; a maggot (as voracious); specifically (often with ellipsis of 8144) the crimson-grub, but used only (in this connection) of the color from it, and cloths dyed therewith:--crimson, scarlet, worm.
ת=Cross sticks=the cross at calvary
ו=tent peg=the inheritance that fastens the dwelling-place that is firmly grounded in truth
ל=shepherds staff=to teach, guide and direct the sheep
ע=eye, i.e. to watch and know *To watch and know the punishment and restoration (as Jonah’s gourd) of Israel, universality (including all the world), that describes the love of God by His unchanging judgments of the first 3 events. תול

This connects the worm H8438 to sins red like crimson H8438....

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[TD]Psa 22:6[/TD]
[TD]But I am a worm, [SUP]H8438[/SUP] and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.[/TD]
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[TD]

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Isa 1:18[/TD]
[TD]Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, [SUP]H8438[/SUP] they shall be as wool.[/TD]
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[just-me]

This connects the worm H8438 to sins red like crimson H8438....

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[TD]Psa 22:6[/TD]
[TD]But I am a worm, [SUP]H8438[/SUP] and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.[/TD]
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[TD]

[/TD]
[TD]

Isa 1:18[/TD]
[TD]Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, [SUP]H8438[/SUP] they shall be as wool.[/TD]
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I don't disagree with this, but what I'm have presented is that there is more, because for the unrepentant sinner, the worm is "theirs" where the fire is not quenched. *Isaiah 66:24 also gives a possessive classification to the fire as well as the worm. In other words, a repentant forgiven sinner doesn't carry the worm into eternity because Jesus took it and killed it, but the unrepentant sinner keeps it into eternity where the/their fire isn't quenched. Keep in mind how "worm" is spelled in Hebrew. The cross, being secured by the shepherd's staff, and the eye that sees and knows. Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess whether saved or not.

*their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched

 

[DesiredHaven]

With the Mana in the wilderness, not leaving it overnight was a test of faith and of obedience.

With the passover Lamb, the lamb was a figure of Jesus, who would not remain in the Grave long enough to decompose. The flesh of the lamb, in that same figure, was not to be allowed to spoil.

Jesus, as Spiritual Mana, once one has Him continues forever. Hence He remains over many nights.

MarcR isnt this verse in Corinthians a rerference to gathering manna?


2 Cr 8:15 As it is written, He that [had gathered] much had nothing over; and he that [had gathered] little had no lack.

And the next verse which follows after that (which is written) in Exodus 16:20 is the one we were looking at

Exodus 16:19 And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Sometimes it seems some things are carried over and used a tad differently then as you go back and look and follow up behind its like the same thing you are looking at as it is written in the NT (yet used different) see what I mean?

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[MarcR]

MarcR isnt this verse in Corinthians a rerference to gathering manna?


2 Cr 8:15 As it is written, He that [had gathered] much had nothing over; and he that [had gathered] little had no lack.

And the next verse which follows after that (which is written) in Exodus 16:20 is the one we were looking at

Exodus 16:19 And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.

Sometimes it seems some things are carried over and used a tad differently then as you go back and look and follow up behind its like the same thing you are looking at as it is written in the NT (yet used different) see what I mean?

Desired,

As we look at the passage in which 2Co 8:15 is set, we see that the issue being addressed is having faith in God's provision.

IMO, we must look at verse 15 in the context of the entire passage. That is not to say that there can not be more than that there; but there must be at least that there.

2 Co 8:1-22

1 Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;

2 How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.

3 For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond their power they were willing of themselves;

4 Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.

5 And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God.

6 Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also.

7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.

8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

10 And herein I give my advice: for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago.

11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have.

12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:

14 But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:

15 As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.

16 But thanks be to God, which put the same earnest care into the heart of Titus for you.

17 For indeed he accepted the exhortation; but being more forward, of his own accord he went unto you.

18 And we have sent with him the brother, whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches;

19 And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

20 Avoiding this, that no man should blame us in this abundance which is administered by us:

21 Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.

22 And we have sent with them our brother, whom we have oftentimes proved diligent in many things, but now much more diligent, upon the great confidence which I have in you.
KJV

As we look at Ex 16:17-21; we see that the issue is also trust in God's provision

Ex 16:17-21
17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.
18 And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.
19 And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.
20 Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.
21 And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.
KJV

 

[DesiredHaven]

Yes, thats the context and there are no worms breeding in their daily provision I dont think.

We go grocery shopping weekly ourselves, not daily we dont get worms in our bread though.