There will be no Rapture!!!
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The tribulation was shortened according to Christ so the idea of a 7 year trib (from Daniel) would be less than that and Rev 13 says the beast rules for 42 months. I call that the tribulation, being no more than 42 months total.
It starts with the rise of the ten horned beast which I view as a global empire or government...like the one world order. Something happens for it to come to power, possibly related to the wound that happened then healed. I believe the second beast of Rev is active at the same time as the first beast, just introduced to John in vision form after the vision of the first beast. So, the world controlled by one empire or government and one person leading it, with the ten horns/kings as sub-rulers of ten areas, possibly the entire world split up into ten areas.
It starts with the rise of the ten horned beast which I view as a global empire or government...like the one world order. Something happens for it to come to power, possibly related to the wound that happened then healed. I believe the second beast of Rev is active at the same time as the first beast, just introduced to John in vision form after the vision of the first beast. So, the world controlled by one empire or government and one person leading it, with the ten horns/kings as sub-rulers of ten areas, possibly the entire world split up into ten areas.
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I would agree the ten horns who are having crowns and the fact they are also refered to as kings would suggest it is a government as or the one world order
However I do think that seven years as God has always used the number seven in many things has relevance but I don't think it will be a whoie seven years of actual tribulation it seems to be split into into a kind of 3.5 years for one part and another 3.5 years for the second. Revelation seems to described what comes from the beggining of sorrows and even speaks to the churches but the bouwls and the trumpets are brutal. I could be mistaken but it doesn't seem things get severe until later on the book almost like how when your telling a story you describe the characters and the scenario of that world giving an established image but the trouble or bad parts come later in the story.
However I do think that seven years as God has always used the number seven in many things has relevance but I don't think it will be a whoie seven years of actual tribulation it seems to be split into into a kind of 3.5 years for one part and another 3.5 years for the second. Revelation seems to described what comes from the beggining of sorrows and even speaks to the churches but the bouwls and the trumpets are brutal. I could be mistaken but it doesn't seem things get severe until later on the book almost like how when your telling a story you describe the characters and the scenario of that world giving an established image but the trouble or bad parts come later in the story.
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Remember tribulation is specific concerning persecution of Christians. It is not other things. It has been shortened from what it was once and since Rev 13 gives the beast a total 42 months, I would say that is the longest time the beast can give tribulation to Christians. 3.5 years before the 42 months would not be the tribulation and the beast would not even be risen yet.
There are severe things found in the seals, trumps and vials but those things aren't all part of the trib. The vials are all God's wrath against the unsaved. The trib is satan's wrath against the church, Rev 12:17
There are severe things found in the seals, trumps and vials but those things aren't all part of the trib. The vials are all God's wrath against the unsaved. The trib is satan's wrath against the church, Rev 12:17
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Yes tribulation against the saints that is spoken of but the bible referes the book of revelation as the great tribulation it is a prophetic period Jacobs trouble is also one that many call it though that is a less used one and maybe it isn't even speaking about the tribulation itself.
I do think you may be right about the first part being when the church is persicuted by satan and then when the bowls and the parts of God's wrath comes that is for the devil and all the corrupt.
personally I believe in a pre wrath rapture I noticed it is mentioned we were not appointed to wrath that stuck out to me and made me think of the wrath being poured on the entire world in revelation.
Not to mention if the tribulation is understood or not either way seeing how things are going in the world right now many are starting to read the bible more even unbelievers people can tell something is coming.
I do think you may be right about the first part being when the church is persicuted by satan and then when the bowls and the parts of God's wrath comes that is for the devil and all the corrupt.
personally I believe in a pre wrath rapture I noticed it is mentioned we were not appointed to wrath that stuck out to me and made me think of the wrath being poured on the entire world in revelation.
Not to mention if the tribulation is understood or not either way seeing how things are going in the world right now many are starting to read the bible more even unbelievers people can tell something is coming.
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Here is as good a place as any to put this proposition.
We all know they have been pushing this alien stuff for a long time. Recently, they even testified to congress that they have "non human biologics" along with alien aircraft.
https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1684250432879616000?s=20
Well what if THE lie that the world will believe, mentioned in Thessalonians, that Jesus says would even deceive the elect if possible, is some type of alien invasion? Don't laugh. Obviously this is speculative, but where there's smoke, there's fire. We have:
The Maui fires that were almost certainly the result of directed energy weapons (lasers).
A NATIONAL emergency alert test on every phone, computer, radio, and tv, on October 4th.
I'd greatly urge you to watch this short video. Not conclusive, but pretty darn intriguing.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/745bo1qqXpld/
We all know they have been pushing this alien stuff for a long time. Recently, they even testified to congress that they have "non human biologics" along with alien aircraft.
https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1684250432879616000?s=20
Well what if THE lie that the world will believe, mentioned in Thessalonians, that Jesus says would even deceive the elect if possible, is some type of alien invasion? Don't laugh. Obviously this is speculative, but where there's smoke, there's fire. We have:
The Maui fires that were almost certainly the result of directed energy weapons (lasers).
A NATIONAL emergency alert test on every phone, computer, radio, and tv, on October 4th.
I'd greatly urge you to watch this short video. Not conclusive, but pretty darn intriguing.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/745bo1qqXpld/
In your own minds, yes. As you ever will. As Mark Twain said “It’s a lot easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled”. Just curious, how bad must the tribulations get before you change your mind? And when one day you wake up and realize that just maybe you were mistaken in your dogmas, will you despair or will you overcome? Judge men by their fruits applies to doctrine as well. This fantasy escapism you cling to has been the source of much apathy within the church. And that’s not even the half of it.
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I simply read the bible and take Jesus at His word.
Sir, the level of scripture twisting required to embrace dispensational theology, if such a damnable heresy is even worthy of being called theology, boggles my mind. I am however, sympathetic to your viewpoint. I was raised a Southern Baptist and schooled extensively in dispensational theology. In 1990 at the age of 23 when I met Christ personally and received His Holy Spirit, this was one of the very first things revealed to me, and it came as quite a shock. I’m not implying you do not have the Spirit of God. I am firmly stating however, that this heresy is as easily refuted as any other, but only if you are willing to lay down your dogmas and embrace the truth at whatever cost. Once you reach that point, about 15 minutes of investigation is all it takes to find the source of this satanic lie. Of course, unlearning your indoctrination will be a longer process, and humbling. God Speed
Sir, the level of scripture twisting required to embrace dispensational theology, if such a damnable heresy is even worthy of being called theology, boggles my mind. I am however, sympathetic to your viewpoint. I was raised a Southern Baptist and schooled extensively in dispensational theology. In 1990 at the age of 23 when I met Christ personally and received His Holy Spirit, this was one of the very first things revealed to me, and it came as quite a shock. I’m not implying you do not have the Spirit of God. I am firmly stating however, that this heresy is as easily refuted as any other, but only if you are willing to lay down your dogmas and embrace the truth at whatever cost. Once you reach that point, about 15 minutes of investigation is all it takes to find the source of this satanic lie. Of course, unlearning your indoctrination will be a longer process, and humbling. God Speed
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Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)
- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)
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I believe that we are living in the end times, as has every believer since Christ ascended to the right hand of the Father. I am a former dispensationalist, praise God, who now leans toward partial preterism. However, my most strongly held view on eschatology, is to do as Christ commanded, and be ready, for He cometh in an hour which I know not.
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