three part word for today :#1 WAR on repentance

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[FONT=&quot]Destroying America is one of Satan’s highest priorities. The thought of a post-American world makes him giddy with delight. He can’t plunge the earth into utter darkness while the United States is a world power. That’s why he’s labored so tediously, and forcefully to bring down our nation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]His great obstacle is the praying church. They stop him dead in his tracks.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]His only hope is to fool the the church into defeating itself. Satan has studied the Bible and the church for millennia. He knows our Achilles heel. He finally found the right tactic: bury the doctrine of repentance. He used cheap grace to do it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The following are two quotes on cheap grace. One is from Joseph Prince and the other is from Detrick Bonhoeffer. They are direct quotes. They reveal a startling contrast.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Joseph Prince said, “His grace is cheapened when you think that He has only forgiven you of your sins up to the time you got saved, and after that point, you have to depend on your confession of sins to be forgiven. God’s forgiveness is not given in installments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Dietrich Bonhoeffer said, “cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves. Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession…Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The first is saying we cheapen grace by repenting. The second is saying we cheapen grace by not repenting. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Which one do you believe? I believe Bonhoeffer who—by the Grace of God—faced down Hitler. Actually, there’s no choice…Jesus not only taught us to repent, He taught us to do it daily.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Luke 11, Jesus said, “when you pray.” How often are we supposed to pray? Everyday. What is in that prayer? : “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” That is repentance.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The war on repentance—and the cheap grace that started the war—is vividly portrayed in 1 Corinthians 5. A sin in the church was so outrageous, even the pagans had never heard of it: A man had taken his mother as his wife.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Even though it brought shame on the church, the leaders did not want to correct this man. They declared war on repentance.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Was it because he was a popular personality? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew Henry said, “He might be a man of great eloquence, of deep science, and for this reason very greatly esteemed, and followed, and cried up, by many among them. They were proud that they had such a leader. Instead of mourning for his fall, and their own reproach upon his account, and renouncing him and removing him from the society, they continued to applaud him and pride themselves in him.”

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Destroying America is one of Satan’s highest priorities. The thought of a post-American world makes him giddy with delight. He can’t plunge the earth into utter darkness while the United States is a world power. That’s why he’s labored so tediously, and forcefully to bring down our nation.
His great obstacle is the praying church. They stop him dead in his tracks.
His only hope is to fool the the church into defeating itself. Satan has studied the Bible and the church for millennia. He knows our Achilles heel. He finally found the right tactic: bury the doctrine of repentance. He used cheap grace to do it.
The following are two quotes on cheap grace. One is from Joseph Prince and the other is from Detrick Bonhoeffer. They are direct quotes. They reveal a startling contrast.
Joseph Prince said, “His grace is cheapened when you think that He has only forgiven you of your sins up to the time you got saved, and after that point, you have to depend on your confession of sins to be forgiven. God’s forgiveness is not given in installments.”
Dietrich Bonhoeffer said, “cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves. Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession…Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.”
The first is saying we cheapen grace by repenting. The second is saying we cheapen grace by not repenting.
Which one do you believe? I believe Bonhoeffer who—by the Grace of God—faced down Hitler. Actually, there’s no choice…Jesus not only taught us to repent, He taught us to do it daily.
In Luke 11, Jesus said, “when you pray.” How often are we supposed to pray? Everyday. What is in that prayer? : “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” That is repentance.
The war on repentance—and the cheap grace that started the war—is vividly portrayed in 1 Corinthians 5. A sin in the church was so outrageous, even the pagans had never heard of it: A man had taken his mother as his wife.
Even though it brought shame on the church, the leaders did not want to correct this man. They declared war on repentance.
Was it because he was a popular personality?
Matthew Henry said, “He might be a man of great eloquence, of deep science, and for this reason very greatly esteemed, and followed, and cried up, by many among them. They were proud that they had such a leader. Instead of mourning for his fall, and their own reproach upon his account, and renouncing him and removing him from the society, they continued to applaud him and pride themselves in him.”

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[FONT=&quot]Do you really think the American Church is any less guilty of covering sin in order to protect a celebrity? Who among us has not heard of rampant immorality? Who among us has not seen popular leaders caught in gross sin, given a slap in the wrist and quickly returned to their pulpit? The justification is a mantra that has become so tiresome: “grace covers all of this, I don’t need to repent.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There are many godly men and women in ministry in America. But there is also a club of leaders who cover for one another’s sins. They trade pulpits, they live in regal splendor, and they protect their people from the rightful demands of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Paul was horrified by the wicked behavior of the leaders in Corinth. It had trashed their reputation in the city. Paul was so grieved that he ordered them to turn the man over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh so that his soul might be saved.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Where are the men and women of God today who are horrified by unfettered carnality? Where is the pastor who is responsible for the young man who currently preaches using liberal portions of obscene language boasting of his deliverance from “Evangelical Christianity?”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Paul brought such swift and supernatural correction that it produced godly sorrow. And you know what… he was glad, for their sorrow produced life. In 2 Corinthians 7:9 he said, “Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance.” How can anyone read that and say we never need to repent?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Their war on repentance is more evil and dangerous than you know. They have disarmed a truth that is central to saving our nation. They have done it to control people and hold on to power that all rightfully belongs to Jesus. It is so dangerous that God’s hand must expose this falsehood. He must bring down strongholds of counterfeit Christianity, and restore biblical authority.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But something good will come of it. Look for nobodies to step up in awesome power like Paul. They will rebuke this insane foolishness and release the soldiers of Christ to true authority and levels of power we have not seen.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Small churches will be chosen to turn the tide. Vessels too humble to image promotion will indeed be promoted.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nevertheless, God has stopped winking at the war on repentance. He will punish those who kept the church from “turning from their wicked ways.” The sword is even laid at the root. God will not let America die at the hands of those who are fighting to keep us from repentance.

By. an American Evangelist [/FONT]

 

[Didymous]

[FONT=&quot]Destroying America is one of Satan’s highest priorities. The thought of a post-American world makes him giddy with delight. He can’t plunge the earth into utter darkness while the United States is a world power. That’s why he’s labored so tediously, and forcefully to bring down our nation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]His great obstacle is the praying church. They stop him dead in his tracks.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]His only hope is to fool the the church into defeating itself. Satan has studied the Bible and the church for millennia. He knows our Achilles heel. He finally found the right tactic: bury the doctrine of repentance. He used cheap grace to do it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The following are two quotes on cheap grace. One is from Joseph Prince and the other is from Detrick Bonhoeffer. They are direct quotes. They reveal a startling contrast.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Joseph Prince said, “His grace is cheapened when you think that He has only forgiven you of your sins up to the time you got saved, and after that point, you have to depend on your confession of sins to be forgiven. God’s forgiveness is not given in installments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Dietrich Bonhoeffer said, “cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves. Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession…Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The first is saying we cheapen grace by repenting. The second is saying we cheapen grace by not repenting. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Which one do you believe? I believe Bonhoeffer who—by the Grace of God—faced down Hitler. Actually, there’s no choice…Jesus not only taught us to repent, He taught us to do it daily.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Luke 11, Jesus said, “when you pray.” How often are we supposed to pray? Everyday. What is in that prayer? : “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” That is repentance.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The war on repentance—and the cheap grace that started the war—is vividly portrayed in 1 Corinthians 5. A sin in the church was so outrageous, even the pagans had never heard of it: A man had taken his mother as his wife.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Even though it brought shame on the church, the leaders did not want to correct this man. They declared war on repentance.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Was it because he was a popular personality? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Matthew Henry said, “He might be a man of great eloquence, of deep science, and for this reason very greatly esteemed, and followed, and cried up, by many among them. They were proud that they had such a leader. Instead of mourning for his fall, and their own reproach upon his account, and renouncing him and removing him from the society, they continued to applaud him and pride themselves in him.”

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You think it's just today? Native Americans could tell you it's been this way since the bringers of Christianity-white people-landed on these shores. You've been arguing over doctrinal points, and pointing your fingers at each other since you got here, and you're still doing it today! Maybe if all of us were more concerned with being able laborers in that great harvest, and less concerned with foisting denominational beliefs on each other-then there would be more time to rejoice, and less time for debate.

 

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You think it's just today? Native Americans could tell you it's been this way since the bringers of Christianity-white people-landed on these shores. You've been arguing over doctrinal points, and pointing your fingers at each other since you got here, and you're still doing it today! Maybe if all of us were more concerned with being able laborers in that great harvest, and less concerned with foisting denominational beliefs on each other-then there would be more time to rejoice, and less time for debate.

excuse me this is not about native Americans or white. you need to stop trying to be racisiallly bias. And I did not make this personal to any one person so why you come to me and say:

"You've been arguing over doctrinal points, and pointing your fingers at each other since you got here"


If you do not have anything to add to my post then feel free to bounce . or if I touched a nerve then you have the issue .

Also you failed to notice in your bais comment the ending one I made . They were not my comments al though I agree with them.

they are words from an " American Evangelist ".
you have nice day. now ok.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think both are correct.

1. salvation is a one time event, it is called eternal life, jesus said in john 6 whoever comes to me will never hunger or thirst, will live forever, HAS eternal life and will be raised on the last day.it happens on the moment God accepts your faith as sincere, not mere belief (even demons believe)

2. there is no salvation apart from repentance. One who has nt repented has never come to faith, they may look and act like a christian, but looks never saved anyone, only true repentance which leads to total humility (think of tax collector on his knees) which leads to true saving faith as we call out on name of the lord.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

we have seen these contrasts right here in the BDF as no regular contributor is ignorant of

as far as Joseph Prince goes, he is leading thousands astray with what is popularly called 'cheap grace'

there is a war on repentance, works, obedience and the fruit of the Holy Spirit in our lives

the thought that we cheapen God's grace by

'when you think that He has only forgiven you of your sins up to the time you got saved'

and how this teaching has become so popular, is sickening.

the Bible does not teach we fall in and out of salvation, but if anything cheapens God's grace, it is making light of the need to keep our hearts in sync with the word of God

 

[oldethennew]

You think it's just today? Native Americans could tell you it's been this way since the bringers of Christianity-white people-landed on these shores. You've been arguing over doctrinal points, and pointing your fingers at each other since you got here, and you're still doing it today! Maybe if all of us were more concerned with being able laborers in that great harvest, and less concerned with foisting denominational beliefs on each other-then there would be more time to rejoice, and less time for debate.

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there's very few pure bloods here NOW! you're mixed' as well as most are - claiming 'whity' is
the 'bad guy, is way beyond normal thinking, you're 'boxed in to satan's venue...
surely you have witnessed some of the clues, and have been told of the 'old times'...


just try and go with Jah's ways of 'Loving and Forgiving', without these tools, one is forever lost...

 

[Didymous]

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there's very few pure bloods here NOW! you're mixed' as well as most are - claiming 'whity' is
the 'bad guy, is way beyond normal thinking, you're 'boxed in to satan's venue...
surely you have witnessed some of the clues, and have been told of the 'old times'...


just try and go with Jah's ways of 'Loving and Forgiving', without these tools, one is forever lost...

Claiming "whity is a bad guy' came out of your heart, not mine.

 

[Didymous]

excuse me this is not about native Americans or white. you need to stop trying to be racisiallly bias. And I did not make this personal to any one person so why you come to me and say:

"You've been arguing over doctrinal points, and pointing your fingers at each other since you got here"


If you do not have anything to add to my post then feel free to bounce . or if I touched a nerve then you have the issue .

Also you failed to notice in your bais comment the ending one I made . They were not my comments al though I agree with them.

they are words from an " American Evangelist ".
you have nice day. now ok.

Sorry I hurt your little feelers.

 

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Sorry I hurt your little feelers.

you did hurt my little feelers. I am long suffering with those who are unlearned. My feeling are not the issue . your ability to read and assume is. Have a nice day.

yatahey