Tired of the Big LIE

[Hizikyah]

1 John 3:4, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1 John 3:4, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."


1 John 5:2-3 (ESV), "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."

 

[dcontroversal]

1 John 3:4, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1 John 3:4, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."


1 John 5:2-3 (ESV), "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."

You forgot to add 1st John 1:8-10

 

[kennethcadwell]

having a promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come - How an I rely on that promise if it is just "a mental possession of assurance that you will receive it......"?

lay HOLD on eternal life - How can I lay hold of something that is just "a mental possession of assurance that you will receive it......"?

Paul endured all things for the elect's sake - to continue to set that good foundation - Jesus Christ and him crucified - for the brethren.

Promised to those who believe in the only begotten Son of God but promised as only "a mental possession of assurance that you will receive it......"?

We are heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ . . . but only as "a mental possession of assurance that you will receive it......"?

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead . . . that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you who are kept by the power of God through faith - "a mental possession of assurance that you will receive it......"? Did Jesus Christ rise from the dead? I would say that "lively hope" is much more than "a mental possession of assurance that you will receive it......"?

Who makes us perfect? Who establishes us? Who strengthens us? Who settles us? "the God of all grace . . ."

Do what things? - giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For is these things be in you, and abound, they make you that you shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ . . . and we have to do this to be saved, i.e. for salvation?

How do we keep ourselves in the love of God [besides staying in the word]? - But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the holy Spirit - keep yourselves in the love of God . . . I also believe that we are told that NOTHING shall separate us from the love of Christ.

The answer to every single one of your questions is simple, as the simplicity is in Christ to walk in love, obedience, forgiveness, and mercy. You do that and salvation is assured of, as that is a simple way to walk and live.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I believe this is talking about Glorification (Which is the final stage of our salvation). For Justification is receiving Christ and being humble before Him by being penitent or in repenting of one's sins. Sanctification is the process that Christ does within us. It is Christ (God) doing the good work in you. In other words, Salvation is made up of Justificatiion, Sanctification, and Glorification. The Sanctification process is not one trying to save themselves by works. It is the natural result of salvation from Justiification. It is the effect from the Cause of Justification and by having God live within you. For it is God that does the work in the believer. For Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith.

However, believers can have an assurance of their salvation right now, though (1 John 5:13).

That is absolutely correct we have assurance of salvation right now by walking in love, obedience, forgiveness, and mercy.
The point that I have been trying to make, and that the bible states is that it is an assurance of it right now and not an actual physical possession right now.


Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

 

[peacefulbeliever]

The answer to every single one of your questions is simple, as the simplicity is in Christ to walk in love, obedience, forgiveness, and mercy. You do that and salvation is assured of, as that is a simple way to walk and live.

Kenneth - my question wasn't really a question per se. I was actually questioning your definition - "a mental possession of assurance that you will receive it.....".

See you do believe in works salvation - walk in love, obedience, forgiveness, and mercy. You do that and salvation is assured of . . . .

 

[psychomom]

if I may add, it also means we have the power to become more christlike, that power of course, being the same power which powered him, the Holy Spirit.

thank you, eg. i worded that poorly.

 

[Jason0047]

You must have a very limited definition of what is sin.
I will tell you like I told Ken---
I do not believe you when you say you do not sin
I know , you call it mistakes.

While I would like for you to believe me, I know that your believing me or not is not what effects my salvation. What really matters is that I am open and upfront with God and honest before Him in all things. That is what matters. I can testify before God right now that I do not habitually sin as a way of life. What kind of sin am I talking about? The sins that lead unto death (1 John 5:16-19). The sins that lead unto death are lying, lusting, hating, getting drunk, stealing, etc. In fact, if I lied then I believe I would be condemned by God for doing so. It would be a sin for me. So I would have to confess that sin and come clean. Does that mean I have lived perfeclty sinless since I was a Christian? No. What this means is that I do not abide in unrepentant sin as a way of life. Try reading 1 John chapter 3 sometime about the believer.

In fact, according to what you said to me, you say you sin all the time. But again, Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. What part of that verse do you not understand? I also do not understand how you can say you sin all the time and say you are not controlled by sin, too. Can you please explain that one to me?

 

[Sirk]

While I would like for you to believe me, I know that your believing me or not is not what effects my salvation. What really matters is that I am open and upfront with God and honest before Him in all things. That is what matters. I can testify before God right now that I do not habitually sin as a way of life. What kind of sin am I talking about? The sins that lead unto death (1 John 5:16-19). The sins that lead unto death are lying, lusting, hating, getting drunk, stealing, etc. In fact, if I lied then I believe I would be condemned by God for doing so. It would be a sin for me. So I would have to confess that sin and come clean. Does that mean I have lived perfeclty sinless since I was a Christian? No. What this means is that I do not abide in unrepentant sin as a way of life. Try reading 1 John chapter 3 sometime about the believer.

In fact, according to what you said to me, you say you sin all the time. But again, Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. What part of that verse do you not understand? I also do not understand how you can say you sin all the time and say you are not controlled by sin, too. Can you please explain that one to me?

do you do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit but in humility always consider others better than you consider yourself?

 

[newbirth]

You are simply going to fall back on the old accuse them of not doing. Doing has nothing to do with righteousness. You have no idea of what I do or do not do. The point remains that Christ has done all that the Father required and Christ did it for me. I can do nothing to add to what Christ has done. Salvation is a completed transaction the moment I believe Christ. Sealed for all of eternity by the Holy Spirit awaiting glorification with Christ.

To trust Jesus is to stop trusting in yourself. Any good I do I do because of Christ and not of anything of me.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

here is something you can add....

2 Peter 1:5-10King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:


and here is doing that have something to do with righteousness....

1 John 2:29

If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

and here is not doing righteousness...
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

[3Scoreand10]

While I would like for you to believe me, I know that your believing me or not is not what effects my salvation. What really matters is that I am open and upfront with God and honest before Him in all things. That is what matters. I can testify before God right now that I do not habitually sin as a way of life. What kind of sin am I talking about? The sins that lead unto death (1 John 5:16-19). The sins that lead unto death are lying, lusting, hating, getting drunk, stealing, etc. In fact, if I lied then I believe I would be condemned by God for doing so. It would be a sin for me. So I would have to confess that sin and come clean. Does that mean I have lived perfeclty sinless since I was a Christian? No. What this means is that I do not abide in unrepentant sin as a way of life. Try reading 1 John chapter 3 sometime about the believer.

In fact, according to what you said to me, you say you sin all the time. But again, Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. What part of that verse do you not understand? I also do not understand how you can say you sin all the time and say you are not controlled by sin, too. Can you please explain that one to me?

So now you say some sin leads to death but other sins do not.
I agree that lying, lusting, hating, getting drunk, and stealing are sin, but so in anger, using profanity, falling to assemble, pretending you are more holy than others, making judgements about people you do not know.
SIN is SIN is SIN is SIN.
And I also can testify that I do not habitually sin as a way of life.
And I did not say I sin all the time.
But unlike you I confess that I do commit a sin one or two or three times every day.
Be honest --How long has it been since you MADE A MISTAKE OR MESSED UP.===Haw many days have you been sinless?

 

[newbirth]

You forgot to add 1st John 1:8-10

seems like you forgot to read it...I painted it blue for you

Originally Posted by Hizikyah

1 John 3:4, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1 John 3:4, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."


1 John 5:2-3 (ESV), "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."

 

[dcontroversal]

Kenneth - my question wasn't really a question per se. I was actually questioning your definition - "a mental possession of assurance that you will receive it.....".

See you do believe in works salvation - walk in love, obedience, forgiveness, and mercy. You do that and salvation is assured of . . . .

EXACTLY although they deny it......!

 

[3Scoreand10]

While I would like for you to believe me, I know that your believing me or not is not what effects my salvation. What really matters is that I am open and upfront with God and honest before Him in all things. That is what matters. I can testify before God right now that I do not habitually sin as a way of life. What kind of sin am I talking about? The sins that lead unto death (1 John 5:16-19). The sins that lead unto death are lying, lusting, hating, getting drunk, stealing, etc. In fact, if I lied then I believe I would be condemned by God for doing so. It would be a sin for me. So I would have to confess that sin and come clean. Does that mean I have lived perfeclty sinless since I was a Christian? No. What this means is that I do not abide in unrepentant sin as a way of life. Try reading 1 John chapter 3 sometime about the believer.

In fact, according to what you said to me, you say you sin all the time. But again, Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. What part of that verse do you not understand? I also do not understand how you can say you sin all the time and say you are not controlled by sin, too. Can you please explain that one to me?

You know Jason, I just tired of your holier that everyone else attitude.
I'm done with you

 

[dcontroversal]

seems like you forgot to read it...I painted it blue for you

You can paint it blue, purple and or neon orange and it will not change the fact that those who say they are without sin are liars.....period!

 

[blue_ladybug]

You can paint it blue, purple and or neon orange and it will not change the fact that those who say they are without sin are liars.....period!

amen brother!!

 

[dcontroversal]

You know Jason, I just tire of your holier that everyone else attitude.
I'm done with you

Amen to that......blind, all knowing, above sin and beyond the ability to learn the truth...must be the (lite) version of Christianity that leads one down that path!

 

[Reborn]

do you do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit but in humility always consider others better than you consider yourself?

He posts over and over of a super-enhanced, specially modified, uber- Christian that we all can be?
Or ....as he calls it model# Jason0047?
You tell me Sirk.

 

[Sirk]

He posts over and over of a super-enhanced, specially modified, uber- Christian that we all can be?
Or ....as he calls it model# Jason0047?
You tell me Sirk.

seems like this thread is just chocked full of unrepentant sin!!

 

[dcontroversal]

He posts over and over of a super-enhanced, specially modified, uber- Christian that we all can be?
Or ....as he calls it model# Jason0047?
You tell me Sirk.

HAHAHAHAHAH I laughed out loud HAHAH funny..........Like the new version of OSAS (LITE) that he preaches........like it is some kind of diet or something........!

 

[kennethcadwell]

You can paint it blue, purple and or neon orange and it will not change the fact that those who say they are without sin are liars.....period!

Nobody is saying they are without sin, at least not that I have seen on this thread at least, because they would be lying.
With that being said however, there is a difference in saying you are without sin and saying you can go a day, week, or even a month without sinning. If you don't believe that then it just means you may not be as far along as others in the faith. It does not mean that person is better than you, or you are better than them.
It is a true biblical teaching that the Holy Spirit was sent here to do just that, make you stronger in areas you are weak and help you to abstain from sins and not let them control you. I can not believe this would not be possible because the bible says all things are possible with Him through the believer. Things have not changed from the Apostles to now, as we still have the same teachings the Lord taught, and the Lord always followed it up that if we don't believe we can do something. He would tell us all the same as He told the Apostles, "you of little faith. "