Tired of the Big LIE
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the water in John 3 is not water baptism. Jesus proved this by not telling nocodemous anything about being baptised. He said (when he finished his explanation) how to be born again, how to get eternal life.
for God so loved the world. he gave his only son, that whoever has faith in him, has eternal life.
No mention of being water baptised.
Context my friend, context. If jesus meant baptism, he was have said believe and be baptised in vs 16.. He did not.
for God so loved the world. he gave his only son, that whoever has faith in him, has eternal life.
No mention of being water baptised.
Context my friend, context. If jesus meant baptism, he was have said believe and be baptised in vs 16.. He did not.
K
The only person who does not have time to be baptized would be those who accept Him on their death beds.
Even if a person accepted Him as Lord and lived 3 days or more after accepting Him had plenty of time to get baptized. Nowhere does the bible say well wait tell the preacher is ready, or set up a day or time to do later, and so on....
Even in Acts 8:34-39 Philip was talking to the eunuch, and told him if he believes with all his heart then he can be baptized.
The eunuch confessed Jesus as Lord and the Son of God, so Philip commanded the chariot to stop and immediately took him down to the waters and baptized him. He did not say wait tell we get where we are going, and then we will set up a time to baptize you. He commanded it to be done immediately....
I never said there was two plans to salvation, but one must understand God's grace.
The bible say's God will have mercy on who He will have mercy on, but it also says that we are not to use examples like the thief on the cross or Peter's denying Him 3 times as examples that we can go and do the same, or not be baptized. I believe the Lord will have mercy on those who come to Him at last minute, and don't have a chance to obey the rest of His will in their life. However I also don't believe the Lord will have mercy on those who do have the time and chance to do them, and continue to disobey His will trampling Him underfoot. You must separate the two situations as their last minute life decision does not give us a free right to be disobedient who do have the time.
Lord Jesus shows both situations, and Apostle Paul elaborates on it when he says twice not to use grace and the perfect law of liberty as an excuse for disobedience and to fulfill the flesh.
T
Oh Jeff....you have such spiritual pride over using the Jewish terms and terminology , but have no understanding....
John The Baptist was the only one Baptizing anyone during this time period and he had already lost his head....to my knowledge, there is no Baptism in the 613 laws of Moses, therefore we can prove he was not baptized.....Baptism by John was not one of the Mosaic Mitzvot....
John The Baptist was the only one Baptizing anyone during this time period and he had already lost his head....to my knowledge, there is no Baptism in the 613 laws of Moses, therefore we can prove he was not baptized.....Baptism by John was not one of the Mosaic Mitzvot....
I certainly agree that one who has salvation cannot lose their salvation.
The Bible gives several standards by which one who believes that he has salvation can determine whether he really does.
1) the lifestyle of one who is truly saved will exhibit habitual obedience.
Ro 6:16
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
KJV
Mt 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
2) The fruit of the Spirit (Ga 5:22-23) will be noticeably increasing but never fully developed in the lives of every believer.
Mt 7:18-21
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
KJV
If we do not take it upon ourselves to criticize another's service to the Lord except to point out where it is contrary to Scripture.
Ro 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
KJV
It should be remembered that these standards are to be applied to one's self and not to each other.
The Bible gives several standards by which one who believes that he has salvation can determine whether he really does.
1) the lifestyle of one who is truly saved will exhibit habitual obedience.
Ro 6:16
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
KJV
Mt 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
2) The fruit of the Spirit (Ga 5:22-23) will be noticeably increasing but never fully developed in the lives of every believer.
Mt 7:18-21
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
KJV
If we do not take it upon ourselves to criticize another's service to the Lord except to point out where it is contrary to Scripture.
Ro 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
KJV
It should be remembered that these standards are to be applied to one's self and not to each other.
James 2:14-26King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
K
Read post #1306, and if you believe only John was baptizing during that time period;
John 3:22
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
John 4:1-2
Therefore, when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples then John. (Though Jesus Himself did not baptize, but His disciples.)
two things here......
1. You cant prove he was..
2. No murderer hath eternal life dwelling in him...he was being put to death for thievery and MURDER.......
He recognized and identified with the LORD by acknowledging the LORDSHIP of JESUS........
And I will add a third statement.....the use of the word SILLY was ignorant!
1. You cant prove he was..
2. No murderer hath eternal life dwelling in him...he was being put to death for thievery and MURDER.......
He recognized and identified with the LORD by acknowledging the LORDSHIP of JESUS........
And I will add a third statement.....the use of the word SILLY was ignorant!
I agree but will add.....
1. 1st Corinthians 3.....some will have works of Gold, silver and precious stones while some have works of wood, hay and stubble yet SAVED yet so as by fire and
2. In a house you have some vessels of honor and some of dishonor[
3. The prodigal squandered his inheritance by riotious living, was perceived as dead (yet was alive) and was received as a son and heir
QUOTE=MarcR;1901536]I certainly agree that one who has salvation cannot lose their salvation.
The Bible gives several standards by which one who believes that he has salvation can determine whether he really does.
1) the lifestyle of one who is truly saved will exhibit habitual obedience.
Ro 6:16
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
KJV
Mt 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
2) The fruit of the Spirit (Ga 5:22-23) will be noticeably increasing but never fully developed in the lives of every believer.
Mt 7:18-21
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
KJV
If we do not take it upon ourselves to criticize another's service to the Lord except to point out where it is contrary to Scripture.
Ro 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
KJV
It should be remembered that these standards are to be applied to one's self and not to each other.[/QUOTE]
1. 1st Corinthians 3.....some will have works of Gold, silver and precious stones while some have works of wood, hay and stubble yet SAVED yet so as by fire and
2. In a house you have some vessels of honor and some of dishonor[
3. The prodigal squandered his inheritance by riotious living, was perceived as dead (yet was alive) and was received as a son and heir
QUOTE=MarcR;1901536]I certainly agree that one who has salvation cannot lose their salvation.
The Bible gives several standards by which one who believes that he has salvation can determine whether he really does.
1) the lifestyle of one who is truly saved will exhibit habitual obedience.
Ro 6:16
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
KJV
Mt 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
2) The fruit of the Spirit (Ga 5:22-23) will be noticeably increasing but never fully developed in the lives of every believer.
Mt 7:18-21
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
KJV
If we do not take it upon ourselves to criticize another's service to the Lord except to point out where it is contrary to Scripture.
Ro 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
KJV
It should be remembered that these standards are to be applied to one's self and not to each other.[/QUOTE]
K
Yes we all know God id this, but then what did God do to those who were saved out of Egypt and then turned their backs on God to unbelief and worshiping the false god idol calf ? Did He keep them saved, or did He destroy them ?
Jude 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jude 1:5
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
3
You have said many times that baptism is necessary for salvation and have many bible verses to try and prove your belief.
Where is your bible proof that the thief did not have to be baptised because of his circumstances?
Am I to believe it because you said it?
Where is you proof that baptism was not necessary for the thief?
Where is your bible proof that the thief did not have to be baptised because of his circumstances?
Am I to believe it because you said it?
Where is you proof that baptism was not necessary for the thief?