Tired of the Big LIE

dcontroversal · Feb 15, 2015

To the bolded above...no you just leave, go to another thread and start mouthing behind my back and PM'ing and to the statement under the bolded one....I am perfectly calm, not mad and for sure don't hate anyone, but when I see false teaching I will call it like it is.....not my fault you have no skin and are easily offended.....

Truth is....if you really had to face persecution for the truth you would fold faster than a man with a pair of 2's in a game of poker.......

By the way, just because you have a few deceived men side with you, does not make you right.......

Faith, grace, gift, mercy, blood= salvation......not works, immersion or back flipping through hoops for JESUS

And your last statement is a joke....have you apologized for leaving tis thread and going to another thread while mouthing me behind my back? That was a sin...have you repented of it and apologized to me...no...so whatevaz dude<----to quote a friend!

tribesman · Feb 15, 2015

3Scoreand10 said:

Hehe. There we have wesleyanism and finneyism in a nutshell. "I don't sin anymore...I just do some MISTAKES". Ya right.

dcontroversal · Feb 15, 2015

tribesman said:

No doubt...this views permeates those who trust in their self righteous works and religion instead of Christ and his blood......!

tribesman · Feb 15, 2015

dcontroversal said:

Because they think they are children of the devil if they confess a sin. What a dreadful miserable life full of fear and envy and alienation from the freedom and comfort found in the safe arms of the Lord Jesus Christ. "Condition of nonsense" as Spurgeon had it.

royalscot · Feb 15, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man."Matthew 16

The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us---for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"---14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.Galatians 3

who appointed you judge

kennethcadwell · Feb 15, 2015

dcontroversal said:

Wrong again as I do not belittle you and call you names when I go to other threads to other people, and even PM them. I just simply say I can not have a friendly debate with you. That is not a belittling remark, or name calling. You say you are not mad nor do you hate, but you don't realize how you speak to others some times and the way you type it looks, is taking, and is driven by anger. Else wise no name calling, unedifying speech, and putting emphasis on those condescending words in your typed response does say that. Look if somebody tells you something is offensive to them that you do, then it is rather you feel that way or not.....
I have faced plenty of persecution in my life, and have been about as far down as a person could get. Facing homelessness, persecutions for my stance for Christ growing up, jail time, suicide attempt, and so on in the past. I have hit rock bottom in my life and the Lord pulled me through it all and brought me back to repentance. So please don't tell me I don't know persecution to face the truth, as I already have gone through very tough times. The Lord pulled me away from it all, and put me back in His word out in the middle of nowhere so that I can study the truth in His word with His guidance with outside interference of mans philosophies, traditions, and personal moral values that have tainted His word. He pulled me out of both Baptist and Catholic churches for the falsehoods being taught in both. And I have shown no less then 50 scriptures from the bible and I am still finding more that agree with what I have said all along, and that is that eternal life is a mental possession of assurance and not an actual physical possession of ours. So technically I can rephrase from saying one can lose salvation, because technically we can not loose what is not physically in our possession yet. Remember the change in a twinkling in a eye comes at the gathering together/rapture. Not when one physically dies in the flesh, as that changing into the eternal life spiritual bodies happens later.

kennethcadwell · Feb 15, 2015

tribesman said:

Sorry but I do not live in fear, so this assumption would be wrong.
I have full trust in our Lord, which is why I stand and defend all that is in His word.
And He said through John that we have to confess future sins to receive remission of them. I did not say this, no other man said this, it was said by God through John. And the same God through Peter and Paul both said at first acceptance of Him in the faith and repentance only present and past sins at that time were forgiven and cleansed. He died for all of our sins, and then gave us His teachings on how to receive that remission through Him for them. Nowhere in the bible does it say it is given immediately at acceptance of Him, and repentance and confession not needed to be made for them. Then it says in His word ones actions have to show a true repentance, and that if you do not forgive others then you will be forgiven of yours ( no remission ). These are His words not mine !!!

Sirk · Feb 15, 2015

4 When people work, their wages are not a gift, but something they have earned. 5 But people are counted as righteous, not because of their work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners.6 David also spoke of this when he described the happiness of those who are declared righteous without working for it:
7 “Oh, what joy for those
whose disobedience is forgiven,
whose sins are put out of sight.
8 Yes, what joy for those
whose record the Lord has cleared of sin.”[b]

Jeff_56 · Feb 15, 2015

i agree and bear witness to the truth of kennethcaldwell's testimony:

namely - it is has not been possible to have a christian nor a friendly debate with the little soldier type fellow.

what that poster sees as "false teaching" , he doesn't have a clue about (from what i've read of his posts the last few weeks and in this thread) as to the truth or lack of truth in it,
so for him to "call it like it is" is nothing.

and btw, kenneth has not apparently been easily offended at all, rather has responded with calm posts and biblical explanations so far as i've seen; even if or when i pointed out something he didn't agree with.

kennethcadwell · Feb 15, 2015

tribesman said:

See this is the type of falsehoods I am talking about, as I never said it was just a mistake or that I never sin anymore.
I never said either, yet you few still want to stick with the same unedifying behavior and passing falsehoods that another never said to make them look bad in front of others. This is the belittling I was talking about.......

Once again I will repeat myself, as only those who worshiped the calf were destroyed and blotted out of the book of Life (Exodus 32:33) for sinning against God. Aaron, the Levites, and the others who did not worship it and/or repented of doing it were not destroyed by God. Those who did not repent back to God were destroyed by Him through the hands of the Levites.

And once again I never said I am without sin, as that is a lie for one to say that, and when I sin it is a sin.
The difference is a born again believer will repent/confess that sin for forgiveness, and a unborn again believer will continue in it or tray and cover it up as if it was not wrong, and not acknowledge it. We born again believers acknowledge our faults, not cover them up. The only thing that I don't agree with though is saying that every single one of us sin everyday and will always sin everyday until the gathering in the resurrection. We will continue to sin, because we are not perfect but it does not mean we will be that way always. Else wise the Holy Spirit is not working through you if that is the case.

tribesman · Feb 15, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

See this is the type of falsehoods I am talking about, as I never said it was just a mistake or that I never sin anymore.
I never said either, yet you few still want to stick with the same unedifying behavior and passing falsehoods that another never said to make them look bad in front of others. This is the belittling I was talking about.......

Once again I will repeat myself, as only those who worshiped the calf were destroyed and blotted out of the book of Life (Exodus 32:33) for sinning against God. Aaron, the Levites, and the others who did not worship it and/or repented of doing it were not destroyed by God. Those who did not repent back to God were destroyed by Him through the hands of the Levites.

And once again I never said I am without sin, as that is a lie for one to say that, and when I sin it is a sin.
The difference is a born again believer will repent/confess that sin for forgiveness, and a unborn again believer will continue in it or tray and cover it up as if it was not wrong, and not acknowledge it. We born again believers acknowledge our faults, not cover them up. The only thing that I don't agree with though is saying that every single one of us sin everyday and will always sin everyday until the gathering in the resurrection. We will continue to sin, because we are not perfect but it does not mean we will be that way always. Else wise the Holy Spirit is not working through you if that is the case.

Did I address you? I didn't. I know you do believe in confession, so I didn't have you in mind (although there are other things you teach that I by far do not agree with).

kennethcadwell · Feb 15, 2015

tribesman said:

Which is something we can talk about and debate in a friendly and loving way as born again believers we are.
Just because we do not agree on certain areas does not mean either one of us is condemned, unless we just don't accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Which I do accept Him as mine, and I am sure you do to. One of the differences is I think is that I defend an active faith, as the bible says a true faith will be active as it is Christ working through us by His Holy Spirit. Then the bible says that nobody can serve two masters, and the Lord can not be divided against Himself. So if He is in you working how is sinning every single day proof of that, as that would be contradicting and showing one still serves two masters. I do believe in confession, but I also believe if you confess a sin then turn around and do it the next day, confess it again then turn around and do it again. That is a sign of it not being a true confession, and the Lord knows our heart and who is sincere or not in their confession. And the bible says those who trample His blood underfoot like that do not receive eternal life.....

dcontroversal · Feb 15, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

i agree and bear witness to the truth of kennethcaldwell's testimony:

namely - it is has not been possible to have a christian nor a friendly debate with the little soldier type fellow.

what that poster sees as "false teaching" , he doesn't have a clue about (from what i've read of his posts the last few weeks and in this thread) as to the truth or lack of truth in it,
so for him to "call it like it is" is nothing.

and btw, kenneth has not apparently been easily offended at all, rather has responded with calm posts and biblical explanations so far as i've seen; even if or when i pointed out something he didn't agree with.

Like you set the example of biblical faith and you would agree with your working for salvation cohort........good luck with your works.......!

dcontroversal · Feb 15, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

Wrong again as I do not belittle you and call you names when I go to other threads to other people, and even PM them. I just simply say I can not have a friendly debate with you. That is not a belittling remark, or name calling. You say you are not mad nor do you hate, but you don't realize how you speak to others some times and the way you type it looks, is taking, and is driven by anger. Else wise no name calling, unedifying speech, and putting emphasis on those condescending words in your typed response does say that. Look if somebody tells you something is offensive to them that you do, then it is rather you feel that way or not.....
I have faced plenty of persecution in my life, and have been about as far down as a person could get. Facing homelessness, persecutions for my stance for Christ growing up, jail time, suicide attempt, and so on in the past. I have hit rock bottom in my life and the Lord pulled me through it all and brought me back to repentance. So please don't tell me I don't know persecution to face the truth, as I already have gone through very tough times. The Lord pulled me away from it all, and put me back in His word out in the middle of nowhere so that I can study the truth in His word with His guidance with outside interference of mans philosophies, traditions, and personal moral values that have tainted His word. He pulled me out of both Baptist and Catholic churches for the falsehoods being taught in both. And I have shown no less then 50 scriptures from the bible and I am still finding more that agree with what I have said all along, and that is that eternal life is a mental possession of assurance and not an actual physical possession of ours. So technically I can rephrase from saying one can lose salvation, because technically we can not loose what is not physically in our possession yet. Remember the change in a twinkling in a eye comes at the gathering together/rapture. Not when one physically dies in the flesh, as that changing into the eternal life spiritual bodies happens later.

Whatever Kenneth...good luck with your salvation based upon your abilities and your water......both Catholic dogmas which you still carry.....and believe what you want......soon the men will be separated from the boys when it hits the fan...we shall see where your faith really stands..........still no ability to admit your own sin and rejection of the word......!

Utah · Feb 15, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

Now there's a theological exposition for the ages.

dcontroversal · Feb 15, 2015

tribesman said:

The problem is simple...he will make a statement and then deny it....He compared sin numerous times to (SLIPPING UP) which is one way that men downplay their sin.....numerous men have called him on it and yet he changes his story quote regularly........!

Utah · Feb 15, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

When was the last time you sinned against God? Is your name still in God's book?

Yes, it is, because of your faith in Jesus, and not because you haven't sinned against God. You have.

Utah · Feb 15, 2015

dcontroversal said:

Also known as blasphemy.

Utah · Feb 15, 2015

tribesman said:

Very profound statement, Tribes. Excellent insight and heartbreaking in its accuracy.

popeye · Feb 15, 2015

we are made into sons of God. We have covenant.
Change "salvation" into son or covenant and watch the real picture emerge.
the produgal is this concept.

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