Tithing Again

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After Christmas people are thinking about bills and debt. I feel some out there are struggling financially, so I bring up tithing. You can prove God as it says in Malichi 3. Tithe for a year and check out your finances... GRACE & PEACE
 

Hevosmies

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I did the math.

According to the calculations I would be 10% more poor.

Oy vey!
 

Waggles

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We are under no legal compulsion of tithing in the NT as Christians no longer under the Law of Moses.
Giving to the financial needs of your Church is entirely a matter of attitude and capacity to give.
If you have abundance and money to give then feel free to put your money in the bag.
If you become unemployed or suffer loss then you are not obligated to further impoverish yourself by giving money
to the church when you cannot afford it.

And do not buy into the doctrinal lies that if you give to the church or a ministry then God WILL bless you and miraculously
give you a tenfold increase in your wealth because of your noble sacrifice.

Read the scriptures they teach us of righteousness living and conduct as Christians …
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said unto him, If thou will be perfect, go and sell that thou have, and give to the poor, and thou shall have treasure in heaven:
and come and follow me.
[PS: Joel Osteen and Kenneth Copeland and their ilk are not poor.]
 

GraceAndTruth

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Dole out your little 10% if that is all you have to give.
The poor widow gave all she had.
The rich man didn't want to give anything.
Tithing in the old covenant was for the needs of the temple and the priests.
Today our bodies are the temple and Christ is our High Priest.
I'm sure nobody would deny THEIR temple whatever it desires (if it can be afforded)
And with Christ as High Priest...........what do we give HIM?
How about all the glory , honor and praise.
Thankfulness and adoration. This can be a huge list and never be enough.
 

Dino246

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After Christmas people are thinking about bills and debt. I feel some out there are struggling financially, so I bring up tithing. You can prove God as it says in Malichi 3. Tithe for a year and check out your finances... GRACE & PEACE
Or you can understand that Malachi 3 is written to priests under the old covenant and not to Christians.
 

tourist

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After Christmas people are thinking about bills and debt. I feel some out there are struggling financially, so I bring up tithing. You can prove God as it says in Malichi 3. Tithe for a year and check out your finances... GRACE & PEACE
My wife is an avid believer in tithing and as her husband I go along with it. Besides, it always goes to a good cause and there is nothing wrong with that.
 

Hevosmies

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We are under no legal compulsion of tithing in the NT as Christians no longer under the Law of Moses.
Giving to the financial needs of your Church is entirely a matter of attitude and capacity to give.
If you have abundance and money to give then feel free to put your money in the bag.
If you become unemployed or suffer loss then you are not obligated to further impoverish yourself by giving money
to the church when you cannot afford it.

And do not buy into the doctrinal lies that if you give to the church or a ministry then God WILL bless you and miraculously
give you a tenfold increase in your wealth because of your noble sacrifice.

Read the scriptures they teach us of righteousness living and conduct as Christians …
Matthew 19:21
Jesus said unto him, If thou will be perfect, go and sell that thou have, and give to the poor, and thou shall have treasure in heaven:
and come and follow me.
[PS: Joel Osteen and Kenneth Copeland and their ilk are not poor.]
Thanks Waggles.

You go to a pentecostal church like me right?
REFRESHING to see someone in these circles who knows whats up.

God bless you friend
 

Jackson123

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In the New testament Jesus promise to honest giver

Luke 6:38 New International Version (NIV)
38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

I may wrong, but Seem to me this verse mean more you give, the more you recieve.

Last year my income was real low, not enough for cover the cost of BASIC living. My wife use credit card toto pay some of our Bill. I Remember this. Verse and I tried It. So far It work, I pay off all my credit card debt and have little saving, It about 3 month cost of my simp,e life cost.
To investigate that my interpretation correct, the last 2 mounths I tried to increase my give, let see If increase my income. So far It is, this is the third mounth since I make experiment, I do not know for this mounth, we still have 5 days to go.

If any body has similar experience please share, to make sure that my understanding oN this verse correct.
 

TabinRivCA

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After Christmas people are thinking about bills and debt. I feel some out there are struggling financially, so I bring up tithing. You can prove God as it says in Malichi 3. Tithe for a year and check out your finances... GRACE & PEACE
Those that I know who give cheerfully of their income rave about the blessings they get and that goes for me also. To me it's a spiritual thing (not re salvation) just a law of cause and effect. I don't do 10% always now but would like it to b a goal. Of course I give to my Pastor online from whom I get very anointed Biblical teaching from and to various others I feel led to. If someone comes up and asks me for money I usually give them something, unless they are smoking. I don't judge anyone who does not btw.
 

posthuman

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Those that I know who give cheerfully of their income rave about the blessings they get and that goes for me also.
this makes me suspicious, because --

But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret, then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
(Matthew 6:3-4)
perhaps i am fearful, or perhaps only cynical
 

Nehemiah6

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After Christmas people are thinking about bills and debt. I feel some out there are struggling financially, so I bring up tithing
You are suggesting that those who tithe will never struggle financially. But the context of Malachi is clearly within the Old Covenant, whereas the principle of Christian liberality is spelled out in the New Covenant.
 

TabinRivCA

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this makes me suspicious, because --

But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret, then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
(Matthew 6:3-4)
perhaps i am fearful, or perhaps only cynical
I understand the point so I'll clarify. I was attempting to convey that when the topic of giving/tithing is brought up, some of us simply want to share our experience with it. For example, I give clothes to a couple food banks around me (not boasting here, k..lol) that sell clothes to pay for the food they give to those in need. A few months ago I passed a yard sale with a mountain of clothes and accessories. I stopped and asked what's up and the man said everything left was free. My car was so full I had to force the doors closed. Another yard sale a guy had two 5 ft teddy bears so I wasn't going to ask how much but did and he said 50 cents ea. One was perfect for one place as well as the other. I also picked up a huge clean garbage bag in front of a home and it had 52 stylish tops all sizes. Also some financial miracles. So I hope it sounds like I'm sharing my thoughts on a topic brought up and not bragging.
 

posthuman

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I understand the point so I'll clarify. I was attempting to convey that when the topic of giving/tithing is brought up, some of us simply want to share our experience with it. For example, I give clothes to a couple food banks around me (not boasting here, k..lol) that sell clothes to pay for the food they give to those in need. A few months ago I passed a yard sale with a mountain of clothes and accessories. I stopped and asked what's up and the man said everything left was free. My car was so full I had to force the doors closed. Another yard sale a guy had two 5 ft teddy bears so I wasn't going to ask how much but did and he said 50 cents ea. One was perfect for one place as well as the other. I also picked up a huge clean garbage bag in front of a home and it had 52 stylish tops all sizes. Also some financial miracles. So I hope it sounds like I'm sharing my thoughts on a topic brought up and not bragging.
you understand, tho, as for myself, i won't ever dare even mention anything like this. because of what i read in Matthew 6. and i hesitate ever to mention what i pray for, or even to pray before anyone, for reason of the same teaching.

 

TabinRivCA

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you understand, tho, as for myself, i won't ever dare even mention anything like this. because of what i read in Matthew 6. and i hesitate ever to mention what i pray for, or even to pray before anyone, for reason of the same teaching.
I get it, thx for bringing this to my attention. Also on the prayer time, I do pray regularly and on occasion w/someone else as it says in Mt 18:19 '...I tell you if two or more agree about anything you pray for it shall b done for you...'. We also have prayer time in Bible study as well as passing prayer requests to ea other. God bless.
 

Jackson123

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you understand, tho, as for myself, i won't ever dare even mention anything like this. because of what i read in Matthew 6. and i hesitate ever to mention what i pray for, or even to pray before anyone, for reason of the same teaching.
To give for boasting is not the Will of God, but for share in this forum where we never meet and every body use Nick name is not boasting. It is depend oN what is in your heart.

One my share in purpose to learn more or to know other interpretation. Or to help other how to solve financial problem simple by giving. If you give check to your church It is not in secret because they know you. But If you send to the mission organisation where No body know you, to me It is coxider in secret.
 

posthuman

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I do pray regularly and on occasion w/someone else as it says in Mt 18:19 '...I tell you if two or more agree about anything you pray for it shall b done for you...'.
have a look also at vv. 15-17 --- that's the context, isn't it?
 

posthuman

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To give for boasting is not the Will of God, but for share in this forum where we never meet and every body use Nick name is not boasting. It is depend oN what is in your heart.

One my share in purpose to learn more or to know other interpretation. Or to help other how to solve financial problem simple by giving. If you give check to your church It is not in secret because they know you. But If you send to the mission organisation where No body know you, to me It is coxider in secret.
if i slide cash under a door, they may not know ;)

i've been trying to figure out, most of my life, what it means 'do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing' - and why does He tell me to give this way?

maybe i shouldn't know, either. maybe i shouldn't even think of myself as having given. i think, this is an hard ideal to reach, if i am doing the math to calculate a tithe. while i'm doing that with my right hand, my left hand is surely aware!
 

Jackson123

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if i slide cash under a door, they may not know ;)

i've been trying to figure out, most of my life, what it means 'do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing' - and why does He tell me to give this way?

maybe i shouldn't know, either. maybe i shouldn't even think of myself as having given. i think, this is an hard ideal to reach, if i am doing the math to calculate a tithe. while i'm doing that with my right hand, my left hand is surely aware!
Seem to me God give the reason

Matt 6

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

If you give to get the glory fro man, than God not give reward, becouse you already get reward from human.

If you get pay already, God not pay you.

If No body pay you, than God Will.
 

pottersclay

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I never discourage any one giving to the Lord, investing in the kingdom, storing treasure in heaven, tithing, what ever it may be I tell you it does not go unnoticed. God bless the givers for such is the kingdom of heaven.