To the Jews

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Graybeard

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GOD BLESS ISRAEL!!
 
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I think the Lord wants people of different faiths to get along with each other.
 

musiclover123

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Megatron, don't worry nobody is trying to force you to wear tassles or keep to Jewish tradition. That's not what this thread was meant for, and honestly the conversation has already gone farther than what this thread was intended for. With that said, there are still a few more things I would like to touch on, as they have been initiated in this thread.

First, to Consumed. I just noticed your post on your Jewish friend who seemed to be seeking, yet was set off because of the opposition. It seems that anytime someone of a different religious belief comes around, they are somewhat shunned by people. Many times Jews, Muslims, and even Atheists will come here to gain and understand of what Christianity is. Instead of being willing to explain things to these people, many just approach with a 'You're wrong You're wrong You're wrong' attitdue, without even telling why they believe the other is wrong. Believe it or not, they aren't out to troll us just because they may not be Christian.

Second, is a correction on what the Talmud is. The word 'Talmud' actually means 'instruction' or 'learning' and comes from a root that means 'teach' or 'study'. In it's simplest form, the Talmud is really a Jewish commentary to the Old Testament scriptures.

It was referred to as a religion from Bablyon in an earlier post. Actually, there are two forms of Talmud. They are the Babylonian Talmud and the Jerusalem Talmud (sometimes refered to as the Palestinian Talmud). Many people only hear or learn about the Bablylonian Talmud because it is the most well known.

I have actually foudn that while things in the Talmud about Jesus deny him to be the Messiah, there are other parts that clear up the reasonings of some Jews to why He isn't. I do find it interesting though that so many Christians think that Jews are against Christians. I've met very few that are actually. The biggest concern for religious Jews is that Jesus is not the Messiah for the Jews. Most of them couldn't care less if the rest of us believe that He is our Messiah. Of course, that doesn't mean that they are correct in the belief that Jesus is not the Messiah of the Jews as well as the Gentiles.
 

zone

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Open Letter to Hebrew Roots/Messianic Believers


This is a testimony from a former Hebrew Roots/Messianic believer, now sharing the stern warning she received from the Lord concerning this very dangerous movement that is poisoning the body of Christ Jesus.....

....The HR/M movement looks true on the surface, but it is fundamentally wrong! (Do you think satan would be able to deceive people if he did not use the Word of Truth and make it look authentic?) HR/M is on the wrong foundation altogether! Our foundation of faith in the Messiah is the apostles and the prophets (Eph 2:20) The HR/M movement changed it to the torah/law and prophets, which is not Scriptural at all, per the New Covenant writings. This very subtle change moves the course of the HR/M path away from the straight and narrow! It leads to destruction!

After He corrected my understanding with the message of the last vision, He had me go read the books of Galatians and Hebrews, so I read them in a plain King James Bible over and over and over and over and over, until the TRUTH of those books broke through the indoctrination of the HR/M teachings. One of the principle problems in the HR/M movement is they redefine terms and ideas in the Bible from their plain meaning. They call it a "renewed" covenant instead of what the Scripture ACTUALLY says, which is "New Covenant." They call it "legalism" instead of being "under the law." I'm not going to go too much into these sorts of details, because until a person breaks through the blindness of that extreme indoctrination, they will not see the Scriptures from the correct perspective.

I will provide this, though. He explained to me that the HR/M foundation is wrong; therefore, their entire doctrine is wrong. ALL OF IT. As hard as it may be to believe, this is the spiritual reality. Christianity is not the enemy of God, as some HR/M teachings imply. Yes, they do imply this (using nice words), which is why there is so much underlying animosity, contention, and strife between Christians and HR/M believers.

Paul is very clear in Galatians, that the Old Covenant is different and separate from the New Covenant. The New Covenant is NOT a continuation of the Old Covenant, as HR/M teachings insist. This is fundamentally wrong and the person who believes this will be taken down a path of destruction!


http://hebrewrootsmessianicdanger.blogspot.com/
 
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peterT

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Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

There are only children of disobedience and children of obedience.

But in the spirit all we Christians by faith are Gods Jews, as it says when Paul and James was talking to the church

James 1: 1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Romans2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God

So you can see from these scriptures that Christians are Gods Jews. The people of God.
 
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Many of the comments I have seen have been spread out over several threads by several people, but I can give a few examples of times where Jews have obviously felt misunderstood and almost seem to be offended because they are being told their culture is something it isn't.

One of these people I've seen in the forums, but would rather not mention his name because I have no asked his permission to do so. I will say though, that even as a Christian Jew, he seemed a bit bothered by some of the comments made.

I don't disagree with Zone's quote of Romans 1:16, because as I made obvious in my original post, I do believe the gospel is for the Jew and the Gentile. If it wasn't, Jesus would not have sent his disciples to the Jews first, then to the Gentiles after His death.

The second person that I know who has been greatly affected by some of the comments about Jews made here in the forums and in the chat both is a friend of mine. We talk spiritual things, and he seemed sincerely interested and studying more on Christianity so he could make a personal decision to if he believed Jesus to be the Messiah. I'm afraid he has probably given up the pursuit of that now, as well as he has left this site due to comments made. I believe him giving up his pursuit was also affected greatly by the way people were reacting and speaking about the Jewish people.

Someone mentioned having seen people who are not Jewish pretending to be Jewish. I have seen that here as well as other places. I assume you mean they say they're Jewish, or a Messianic Jew, but really aren't, but your definition may vary. I believe anyone who is a Christian can call themselves a Jew in the spiritual sense, but there should be a clear line drawn between that and being a physical Jew.

For Jews, being a Jew is more than religion. Being a Jew is there ethnicity, and it is their race. To tell a Jew that they are no longer Jewish because they are a Christian is most often times insulting. It would be like you telling me that I'm no longer American, or that I'm no longer German, Irish, or Native American, becaue I am now a Christian. Sometimes it just helps to understand the Jewish tradition and mindset on things like this. I don't find traditions such as this one to be much different than the various other traditions other cultures around the world have.

Well we could say people need to stop thinking because they are Jewish they are more loved than the rest of us. Or I just love you I don't care what race you are. You know we also need to remember Christians were brought in to make the Jew jealous so that is a big factor. Or to the Jew who still denies Jesus please repent. To those who are not Jew and think if you start doing all the old law stuff it's not helping you it's a curse, that goes for anyone. I think to learn the Jewish past is good for who wants it. It does help one understand some of the new Testament. Last time I seen anyone talk Jewish stuff was a Jewish person who was real upset to go to a Jewish chat and find out they were mad as hell for the person talking about Jesus.