Tolerance Eph 4:2

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TabinRivCA

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Hi, fairly new here. I'm assuming mostly Christians here? While I know 'all fall short of the glory..' I was very surprised to read so many vitriolic replies and even name calling. I happened to give some observations on 'socialism' and you would have thought I said 'God is dead'. Someone else gave his opinion on make-up which wasn't too popular and was berated by many members. Rom 2:4, 'the kindness of God leads us to repentance' and Eph 4:2, 'show tolerance for one another with love' is the opposite I see in some posts. I'm certainly not perfect but one thing I can do is talk about something controversial w/o blowing my top off. Does anyone get what I'm trying to say or am I too idealistic here?
 

Subhumanoidal

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What you speak of is nothing new on this site. And the BDF (Bible Discussion Forum) is the center of it. There was a time they stayed in their forum and the overall tone of the site was nicer, but eventually they began spreading out and their contagion spread throughout the rest of the site as well.
Combine that with the overall feel of the site being less close than it once was, it really opens up for things to worsen. But it is all considered acceptable to the head honchos.

Though your claim of a man giving his opinion on makeup is an extreme oversimplification. He said much more than that and indeed said that women Required makeup just to be attractive. And then went on to rant angrily about women. When his derogatory attitude was called out he began twisting words and flat out lying in an attempt to discredit those that questioned his attitudes.

And have you never heard the term 'never discuss politics or religion'? Either of those topics tend to bring about heated discussions. Socialism certainly falls under that political spectrum. Add to that the overall political climate of the US (which makes up most chatters) and you have a predestined hotbed.
 

TabinRivCA

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What you speak of is nothing new on this site. And the BDF (Bible Discussion Forum) is the center of it. There was a time they stayed in their forum and the overall tone of the site was nicer, but eventually they began spreading out and their contagion spread throughout the rest of the site as well.
Combine that with the overall feel of the site being less close than it once was, it really opens up for things to worsen. But it is all considered acceptable to the head honchos.

Though your claim of a man giving his opinion on makeup is an extreme oversimplification. He said much more than that and indeed said that women Required makeup just to be attractive. And then went on to rant angrily about women. When his derogatory attitude was called out he began twisting words and flat out lying in an attempt to discredit those that questioned his attitudes.
And have you never heard the term 'never discuss politics or religion'? Either of those topics tend to bring about heated discussions. Socialism certainly falls under that political spectrum. Add to that the overall political climate of the US (which makes up most chatters) and you have a predestined hotbed.
I certainly hope it doesn't go the way of most comment sections like Yahoo, where trolls and haters r there to stir up strife. Re the make-up guy I think a few nicer but to the point remarks might of had a better effect but like u said he probably expected just what he got.
 

PennEd

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What you speak of is nothing new on this site. And the BDF (Bible Discussion Forum) is the center of it. There was a time they stayed in their forum and the overall tone of the site was nicer, but eventually they began spreading out and their contagion spread throughout the rest of the site as well.
Combine that with the overall feel of the site being less close than it once was, it really opens up for things to worsen. But it is all considered acceptable to the head honchos.

Though your claim of a man giving his opinion on makeup is an extreme oversimplification. He said much more than that and indeed said that women Required makeup just to be attractive. And then went on to rant angrily about women. When his derogatory attitude was called out he began twisting words and flat out lying in an attempt to discredit those that questioned his attitudes.

And have you never heard the term 'never discuss politics or religion'? Either of those topics tend to bring about heated discussions. Socialism certainly falls under that political spectrum. Add to that the overall political climate of the US (which makes up most chatters) and you have a predestined hotbed.

wow! You sure learned a lot about the history of CC in a month! When was that "time" when BDF people (the presumed bad guys) stayed in their forum? 2 weeks ago?
 

Nehemiah6

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I happened to give some observations on 'socialism' and you would have thought I said 'God is dead
Well that is exactly what Socialism believes and teaches.

The idea was that a communist regime would use the absolute power of the socialist “dictatorship of the proletariat” to destroy all values, all religion, all institutions, and all traditions—which would theoretically lead to the communist “utopia.”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nazism-fascism-and-socialism-are-all-rooted-in-communism_2549205.html

So we need to clearly define and understand "tolerance". Left-Liberals preach tolerance until their views are rejected. After that they preach hatred. Look at what is happening all around you. The Left has been promoting the idea of assassinating Trump. That is both sedition and treason. His response to all this nonsense has not been sufficiently stern and swift.

Christians are to love their neighbors, which also means that they are to hate evil ideologies, which ultimately come from Satan, and expose them, while presenting the Gospel.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (Heb 1:8,9)
 

Adstar

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In this world many people believe that tolerance = acceptance.. But tolerance is not acceptance.. Tolerance is putting up with something you oppose.. I do not need to tolerate something i agree with.. I need to be able to tolerate something i am against but do not have control over..

As for Socialism.. Socialism is anti-christ the official stance of the Soviet Socialists was the non-existence of God.. They mocked and still mock belief in God as a drug for the masses.. So it should not surprise anyone that Christians would be opposed to socialism..
 

luigi

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Hi, fairly new here. I'm assuming mostly Christians here? While I know 'all fall short of the glory..' I was very surprised to read so many vitriolic replies and even name calling. I happened to give some observations on 'socialism' and you would have thought I said 'God is dead'. Someone else gave his opinion on make-up which wasn't too popular and was berated by many members. Rom 2:4, 'the kindness of God leads us to repentance' and Eph 4:2, 'show tolerance for one another with love' is the opposite I see in some posts. I'm certainly not perfect but one thing I can do is talk about something controversial w/o blowing my top off. Does anyone get what I'm trying to say or am I too idealistic here?
Hi TabinRivCA,
The reason some here blow their tops is due to long held beliefs (dogmas) on certain biblical topics that when confronted with the Word are found to lack credibility.
The individuals on the loosing end of the arguments whose long held dogmas (some decades long), will dismiss/deny the scriptures/the Word that clearly show their long held perspectives to be wrong.
Without credible scriptures to back up what now is shown to have been an erroneous perspective, some will nevertheless continue to defend their erroneous perspectives by maligning the individual whose perspective is in line with the whole of scriptures.
 

TabinRivCA

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Well that is exactly what Socialism believes and teaches.

The idea was that a communist regime would use the absolute power of the socialist “dictatorship of the proletariat” to destroy all values, all religion, all institutions, and all traditions—which would theoretically lead to the communist “utopia.”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nazism-fascism-and-socialism-are-all-rooted-in-communism_2549205.html

So we need to clearly define and understand "tolerance". Left-Liberals preach tolerance until their views are rejected. After that they preach hatred. Look at what is happening all around you. The Left has been promoting the idea of assassinating Trump. That is both sedition and treason. His response to all this nonsense has not been sufficiently stern and swift.

Christians are to love their neighbors, which also means that they are to hate evil ideologies, which ultimately come from Satan, and expose them, while presenting the Gospel.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (Heb 1:8,9)
'The left has been promoting the idea of killing Trump?' oh please. The shooting of JFK, threats to Obama, tormenting of Hillry are certainly not Godly. I'm an Independent and choose the most decent candidate. What I'm torn on is to the left the extreme is allowing heathenism to those who choose...and on the extreme right there are the alt-right/supremacists haters. Btw if you look at the top 10 Socialist countries you'll find they score high in living conditions for the top % of people while here the .001% keeps gaining ground. Take it easy they'll NEVER allow Soc here. Btw my viewpoint is just as important as yours.
 

TabinRivCA

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Hi TabinRivCA,
The reason some here blow their tops is due to long held beliefs (dogmas) on certain biblical topics that when confronted with the Word are found to lack credibility.
The individuals on the loosing end of the arguments whose long held dogmas (some decades long), will dismiss/deny the scriptures/the Word that clearly show their long held perspectives to be wrong.
Without credible scriptures to back up what now is shown to have been an erroneous perspective, some will nevertheless continue to defend their erroneous perspectives by maligning the individual whose perspective is in line with the whole of scriptures.
Well said. There should b an 'anger-management' and 'what would Jesus think' forum.
 

7seasrekeyed

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Hi, fairly new here. I'm assuming mostly Christians here? While I know 'all fall short of the glory..' I was very surprised to read so many vitriolic replies and even name calling. I happened to give some observations on 'socialism' and you would have thought I said 'God is dead'. Someone else gave his opinion on make-up which wasn't too popular and was berated by many members. Rom 2:4, 'the kindness of God leads us to repentance' and Eph 4:2, 'show tolerance for one another with love' is the opposite I see in some posts. I'm certainly not perfect but one thing I can do is talk about something controversial w/o blowing my top off. Does anyone get what I'm trying to say or am I too idealistic here?

first, you have a knack for leaving out details...referring to the makeup thread...the op threw insults at the men and was condescending towards the women who responded.

Hillary was tormented?

see, it is that kind of remark that probably would get a reaction. do you not understand how loaded that is and how poltically charged it is?

you cannot be Little bi peep around here, because the sheeples have horns
 

7seasrekeyed

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I certainly hope it doesn't go the way of most comment sections like Yahoo, where trolls and haters r there to stir up strife. Re the make-up guy I think a few nicer but to the point remarks might of had a better effect but like u said he probably expected just what he got.

I can assure you the BDF is not going away

it seems you fancy yourself quite the critic

like most left leaning people

comparing this site to yahoo (is that still in existance?) is silly
 

7seasrekeyed

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Hi TabinRivCA,
The reason some here blow their tops is due to long held beliefs (dogmas) on certain biblical topics that when confronted with the Word are found to lack credibility.
The individuals on the loosing end of the arguments whose long held dogmas (some decades long), will dismiss/deny the scriptures/the Word that clearly show their long held perspectives to be wrong.
Without credible scriptures to back up what now is shown to have been an erroneous perspective, some will nevertheless continue to defend their erroneous perspectives by maligning the individual whose perspective is in line with the whole of scriptures.
well I don't blow my top, but the actual problem is people who eschew bizarre beliefs ... like the guy who thinks he has the gift of knowledge...and goes on about aliens and total nonsense

of course no one has to even respond, but people usually do

you have posted things I certainly do not agree with, and you defend them staunchly and everyone is wrong but you

you have not blown your top, but please do not talk about dogmas or man made doctrines unless you wish to include yourself in that party

I don't usually respond on threads where people are complaining about how bad everyone but them behaves BECAUSE when I read them, all I usually see is the pot calling the kettle black

but this one, frankly, irks me, knowing what thread the op refers to and what actually happened in it

it seems there might be an attitude of superiority in the op all the while totally misconstruing what the op of that thread actually said in order to make others seem out of line

again, typical left leaning type of action and since she did not get an approving response to her beliefs...bingo...we are all heathens and should be hit over the head with a Bible and shame on us

and by the way? I did not address the op of the makeup thread...but I did read it
 

7seasrekeyed

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Tabin believes the US should be socialist and creates posts like this one:

Hi, There is much bad publicity re socialism by guess who the rich capitalists. This goes way back to the Vatican who decided not to practice socialism bc of the $$. Certainly socialism has it's own issues and I'm not taking sides. Prob nobody here likes Bernie Sanders but he would have won if Hillry would have backed out and no fixing the elections. . His ideas are super popular and he had enormous crowds. Some European countries are doing it right and have the best lifestyles. Personally, I'd love to pay more taxes and have free Healthcare, ed, good SSA and etc. What gripes me is the one-sided info we get w/o a fair look into this. Well, no worries, the powers that b will NEVER allow socialism HERE (US). BTW not either party and not here to fight just give diff view. God's in charge no matter what and thank God he's holding back the full force of the 'lawless one' with the Restrainer on board, 2 Thes 2:6,7.
(from the thread about should the US be socialist...in the conspiracy forum)

rich capitalists? (where were you educated? Russia?)

you know Tabin, you are perfectly allowed to be a socialist or a liberal, but you have to understand, when you have rude exchanges with people...like you did with one person in particular in that thread, that create THIS type of thread, someone, like me, might come along and hold up a mirror for you

you really are the same as what you say you are above and like those who create this type of thread, you don't believe it

I don't care. be any way you want for as long as you want but stop painting everyone else with the same color you wear
 

PennEd

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'The left has been promoting the idea of killing Trump?' oh please. The shooting of JFK, threats to Obama, tormenting of Hillry are certainly not Godly. I'm an Independent and choose the most decent candidate. What I'm torn on is to the left the extreme is allowing heathenism to those who choose...and on the extreme right there are the alt-right/supremacists haters. Btw if you look at the top 10 Socialist countries you'll find they score high in living conditions for the top % of people while here the .001% keeps gaining ground. Take it easy they'll NEVER allow Soc here. Btw my viewpoint is just as important as yours.
Please don't be ignorant. Here is a pure socialist country. This is ALWAYS the final result of socialism. Poverty, Misery, Loss of Freedom, Murder, and Dictatorship.

THIS is what you are asking for here. The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

TabinRivCA

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well I don't blow my top, but the actual problem is people who eschew bizarre beliefs ... like the guy who thinks he has the gift of knowledge...and goes on about aliens and total nonsense

of course no one has to even respond, but people usually do

you have posted things I certainly do not agree with, and you defend them staunchly and everyone is wrong but you

you have not blown your top, but please do not talk about dogmas or man made doctrines unless you wish to include yourself in that party

I don't usually respond on threads where people are complaining about how bad everyone but them behaves BECAUSE when I read them, all I usually see is the pot calling the kettle black

but this one, frankly, irks me, knowing what thread the op refers to and what actually happened in it

it seems there might be an attitude of superiority in the op all the while totally misconstruing what the op of that thread actually said in order to make others seem out of line

again, typical left leaning type of action and since she did not get an approving response to her beliefs...bingo...we are all heathens and should be hit over the head with a Bible and shame on us

and by the way? I did not address the op of the makeup thread...but I did read it
Tabin believes the US should be socialist and creates posts like this one:

(from the thread about should the US be socialist...in the conspiracy forum)

rich capitalists? (where were you educated? Russia?)

you know Tabin, you are perfectly allowed to be a socialist or a liberal, but you have to understand, when you have rude exchanges with people...like you did with one person in particular in that thread, that create THIS type of thread, someone, like me, might come along and hold up a mirror for you

you really are the same as what you say you are above and like those who create this type of thread, you don't believe it

I don't care. be any way you want for as long as you want but stop painting everyone else with the same color you wear
First, what rude exchange?
 

TabinRivCA

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Please don't be ignorant. Here is a pure socialist country. This is ALWAYS the final result of socialism. Poverty, Misery, Loss of Freedom, Murder, and Dictatorship.

THIS is what you are asking for here. The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

Assuming the govt elect is fairly decent and we make them small, who then makes the decisions? Also, a converted 'hitman' for certain special interests groups, revealed how his job was to go into certain countries who 'weren't cooperating' w/his employers demands, and take down the leader or the country. I don't think I asked for something here, if so, what?
 

dcontroversal

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I probably should stay away from this thread.........cough cough......!!
 

p_rehbein

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wow! You sure learned a lot about the history of CC in a month! When was that "time" when BDF people (the presumed bad guys) stayed in their forum? 2 weeks ago?
Somehow, he forgot to answer this question......... hmm

:)
 

TabinRivCA

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first, you have a knack for leaving out details...referring to the makeup thread...the op threw insults at the men and was condescending towards the women who responded.

Hillary was tormented?

see, it is that kind of remark that probably would get a reaction. do you not understand how loaded that is and how poltically charged it is?

you cannot be Little bi peep around here, because the sheeples have horns
 

TabinRivCA

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Where are the guidelines for making remarks? 'Hillary was tormented' is a controversial statement? No matter if she is a liberal or not I can't see Jesus condoning the spiteful treatment she suffered and the ugly racism Pres O and his family got were horrific. What exactly is the point you're making re lil bi? peep ,sheeples have horns? Explain please.