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doubleedge

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This is an endless debate! Have U ever answered an altar call at a church that preaches: "if U dont speak in tongues, U are not saved"? This pill may be difficult to swallow. When a preacher lays hands on U & everything transfigures, while they "try" to cause 'slain in the Spirit' for not satisfying their need of a sign, look at them. U will see snakes biting them. Those who are bitten are not truly in the spirit. They will jump to their feet & say Hallelu(Yah), begin babbling & fall on the ground, but these are those who will deny the prophecies. For they do not understand the spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12), & having no discernment, do not test the spirits or know the tongue they speak. In spirit, tongue means language. There are NO language barriers for The Spirit of God (Acts 2). Only those with the spirit of babylon will babble as though it were the tower or babel all over again!
 
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"if U dont speak in tongues, U are not saved"?
Then they are wrong on this point. I wouldn't even go to that kind of church.

Tongues is a language, but often not one that is commonly or naturally acquired or known by even the hearer.
 
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Tongues are for your edification, not the church.
 
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1 Thessalonians 5.............................. I know exactly what U mean at this phase in my life. I just found it difficult to forsake the gathering. Different denominations will always teach different doctrines. There isn't a single verse ANYWHERE in the Bible that supports faceless babbling. Not even in the falsely translated KJV does it explicitly say its acceptable to lack understanding of spiritual communication!!! I challenge ANYBODY on God Most High's green earth to understand God's word on this matter! NOWHERE does it say U can ignore meanings of ANY type. Further more, The translations are products of itching ears. Without The Lamb, U can NOT receive The Spirit of God, & the meanings of His words are lost in translation - Matthew 7:21-23
 
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Not sure I follow what you are saying DoubleEdge. Some tongues can sound like babbling because so do the language which they speak. Particularly if they are repeating a certain phrase "praise God, praise God" in tongues over and over, that will sound like babbling as it is the same thing repeated over and over. But no matter, to God who knows all languages, He can interpret even the basic goo goo ga ga of a baby.
 
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Not to crumble Ur cookie, but 1 Corinthians 14:3-5 says "SPECIFICALLY" that prophecy edifies the church, while "unknown" tongues are unto... wait for it... "SELFISH" edification! Then verse 12 further edifies by saying "... seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church."! This CLEARLY places the church at a higher standing than the self. I'm tired of being lied to. I'm not in control of the truth, but as I worship The Lord God in spirit & in truth, I see all that is hidden from my eyes!!! I see the fall of man, & the salvation of remnant (Isaiah10:20)
 
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to MahogonySnail: I gave testimony of a vision, that depicted liars "amomg" the congregation. I NEVER once said that there weren't people speaking foreign tongues. I'm simply saying, there are those who have said to me when asked if they understood the very words they spoke, & I quote, "only God can understand.". How can a church full of such people be edified. How is it U can edify self without understanding? The tongue can ONLY be unknown to a third party listener, NOT to the speaker, & certainly NOT to God. If this is the case, then that person has NOT received The Spirit of God. A person such as Urself, who has understanding, can edify and be edified. This is The Will of The Lord God Most High Yahshua ben Yosef Ha' Mashiach ben Yahweh Yehovah Elohim!!!
 
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The people who say that have probably spoken in tongues before, if you get my message
 
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This is an endless debate! Have U ever answered an altar call at a church that preaches: "if U dont speak in tongues, U are not saved"? This pill may be difficult to swallow. When a preacher lays hands on U & everything transfigures, while they "try" to cause 'slain in the Spirit' for not satisfying their need of a sign, look at them. U will see snakes biting them. Those who are bitten are not truly in the spirit. They will jump to their feet & say Hallelu(Yah), begin babbling & fall on the ground, but these are those who will deny the prophecies. For they do not understand the spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12), & having no discernment, do not test the spirits or know the tongue they speak. In spirit, tongue means language. There are NO language barriers for The Spirit of God (Acts 2). Only those with the spirit of babylon will babble as though it were the tower or babel all over again!
From your post, I do not think you have ever been in a pentecostal church. I grew up in one and have never been told i must talk in tongues to be saved. You really should know what you are taliking about befiore you speak on a subject.
 
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to MahogonySnail: I gave testimony of a vision, that depicted liars "amomg" the congregation. I NEVER once said that there weren't people speaking foreign tongues. I'm simply saying, there are those who have said to me when asked if they understood the very words they spoke, & I quote, "only God can understand.". How can a church full of such people be edified. How is it U can edify self without understanding? The tongue can ONLY be unknown to a third party listener, NOT to the speaker, & certainly NOT to God. If this is the case, then that person has NOT received The Spirit of God. A person such as Urself, who has understanding, can edify and be edified. This is The Will of The Lord God Most High Yahshua ben Yosef Ha' Mashiach ben Yahweh Yehovah Elohim!!!
Like I said know what you are talking about before you speak.
 
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lol... LOL!!! Like I said before... a hard pill to swallow. None of U can show me a scripture to support the argument. Find it... & interpret it for me since yall have understanding & I don't! lol... LOL!!!
 
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Ur denominations are houses divided (Matthew 12:22-31) & can't shield U from God. Just because U accept jesus, doesn't mean anything (Matthew 7:22-25). - The spiritual definition of a body is a group of members (Matthew 5:29,30 - 1 Corinthians 12:12-27). If the body is the dwelling place for the spirit, than the house is the dwelling place for the body (Matthew 12:22-30)! The body of the "believer(s)" in God, must be kept pure, clean, Holy, & in harmony with the self (yourself, myself, himself, herself, themselves, ourselves - ALL THY NEIGHBORS)!!!
 
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lol... LOL!!! Like I said before... a hard pill to swallow. None of U can show me a scripture to support the argument. Find it... & interpret it for me since yall have understanding & I don't! lol... LOL!!!
And what argument is it that we are supposed to be supporting? You tell me what you need to know and I will give you at least two scriptures.
 
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You are funny, and I get what you are trying to do. Just know one thing, I love you and wish you much peace. God has a specific purpose for you and I pray that you find it. You have too much to offer The Kingdom! Your gifts and talents can be building blocks for some and a open door for others.

Not to crumble Ur cookie, but 1 Corinthians 14:3-5 says "SPECIFICALLY" that prophecy edifies the church, while "unknown" tongues are unto... wait for it... "SELFISH" edification! Then verse 12 further edifies by saying "... seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church."! This CLEARLY places the church at a higher standing than the self. I'm tired of being lied to. I'm not in control of the truth, but as I worship The Lord God in spirit & in truth, I see all that is hidden from my eyes!!! I see the fall of man, & the salvation of remnant (Isaiah10:20)
 
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Ur denominations are houses divided (Matthew 12:22-31) & can't shield U from God. Just because U accept jesus, doesn't mean anything (Matthew 7:22-25). - The spiritual definition of a body is a group of members (Matthew 5:29,30 - 1 Corinthians 12:12-27). If the body is the dwelling place for the spirit, than the house is the dwelling place for the body (Matthew 12:22-30)! The body of the "believer(s)" in God, must be kept pure, clean, Holy, & in harmony with the self (yourself, myself, himself, herself, themselves, ourselves - ALL THY NEIGHBORS)!!!
Once again if you do not know what you are talking about do not speak on the subject. Which denoms are you talking about, who are you referring to, and what makes you think that are divided?
 
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Smart cookie... lol! As for the scriptures... The Word explains the PROPER way to edify the self! Matthew 6:1 says: "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.", 6:5-8 reads: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, DO NOT KEEP ON BABBLING LIKE PAGANS, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."! Oh YAH... lets not forget Matthew 23:5...
 
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Reading The Word of God is like reading ANY book of law. Its full of references that take U all over the book to further explain in finer detail. Kind of like those kids books that let U choose the path of the story by sending U to specific pages! In the Bible, this method is called using a concordance when a "certain" word convicts Ur heart! Difference is, this law is The Most High, & not a democracy! If U read 1 Corinthians 14 first, and then chapter 13, U should see what I was getting at this whole time!!!
 
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to MahogonySnail: I gave testimony of a vision, that depicted liars "amomg" the congregation. I NEVER once said that there weren't people speaking foreign tongues. I'm simply saying, there are those who have said to me when asked if they understood the very words they spoke, & I quote, "only God can understand.". How can a church full of such people be edified. How is it U can edify self without understanding? The tongue can ONLY be unknown to a third party listener, NOT to the speaker, & certainly NOT to God. If this is the case, then that person has NOT received The Spirit of God. A person such as Urself, who has understanding, can edify and be edified. This is The Will of The Lord God Most High Yahshua ben Yosef Ha' Mashiach ben Yahweh Yehovah Elohim!!!
The tongue speaker cannot understand what they say unless they also have the gift of interpretation. That is why Paul says to pray for interpretation. If the tongue speaker could understand, there would be no need to pray for interpretation. The test for receiving the Spirit of God is not what the tongues sounds like it is their declaration of faith (1 Cor 12:3). A Person who declares Jesus is Lord cannot speak in devil tongues. The only other option is they have the Spirit or they are making it up with their own mind, which is fairly hard to do mind you.



Not to crumble Ur cookie, but 1 Corinthians 14:3-5 says "SPECIFICALLY" that prophecy edifies the church, while "unknown" tongues are unto... wait for it... "SELFISH" edification! Then verse 12 further edifies by saying "... seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church."! This CLEARLY places the church at a higher standing than the self. I'm tired of being lied to. I'm not in control of the truth, but as I worship The Lord God in spirit & in truth, I see all that is hidden from my eyes!!! I see the fall of man, & the salvation of remnant (Isaiah10:20)
It's not selfish edification, it is self-edification. Just as prayer and bible reading is self edification in personal devotions. And that's not being selfish, that's what God wants us to do. The church is higher than self, but remember the self is part of the church. So when we edify ourself, we edify a member of Christ's body which will result in benefits for the others too. That is why individual members engage in prayer and study themselves, to build themselves up in Christ and God, and then they are more useful to the church. 1 Cor 14:1-4 says that he who speaks in a tongue speaks to God, and by that prayer to God he or she is edified. Yet in a church setting, it is more profitable to prophesy or speak in tongues with interpretation which is equivalent to prophecy. The way the private tongue-speaker is edified, is by the action of spiritual communication with God and increased faith due to the supernatural experience.
 
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Its always the ones who already believe that put up the most resistance. We are the church & I've come to edify, & be edified. I bring warnings to those who seek to escape the mystery babylon. There isn't much time left! - Revelation 18:4 says: "Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;"! The plagues have already started. Look all the natural disasters that took place after the 9/11 coverup? How did 2 planes knock down 3 buildings? Did U know jet fuel is 4/5 kerosene & doesn't even burn hot? Propane burns hotter than jet fuel & can't even melt a camp fire grill? How did the buildings fall at the rate of gravity after "blowing" into powder? The devil has a veil over the world's eyes people!!! Wake up & get right with God!!!
 
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