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Searching4somethinglost

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What is the Trinity?
 
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It is the term used to describe the relationship between God the Father, God the son, and God the Holy Spirit. There are various theological definitions. Mine is that the three are one in will and purpose, share the attributes of diety, and have three distinct existences/personhoods.
 
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Consumed

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The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit, as one, but im sure you know this
 
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socperkins

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Think of a triangle. It's one shape but it has 3 distinct corners.
 
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Searching4somethinglost

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I wasn't quite sure, I just wanted to make sure :)
 
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Israel

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an image of God we are warned not to do!
 
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Dmurray

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The Trinity is the Belief that God is 3 Co-equal, Co-eternal, Co-existent beings.
 
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Think of water ( I know bad example) water can do three things but yet it still water. It Solid ( Ice), liquid and gas (stream) but it still water. Same with the trinity, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, but it still One God.
 
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Think of water ( I know bad example) water can do three things but yet it still water. It Solid ( Ice), liquid and gas (stream) but it still water. Same with the trinity, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, but it still One God.
This is an example of oneness, not the trinity :)

an example of the trinity would be say if you have 3 men and they all have the title of president.
 
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Look at my avatar for a traditional understanding of the Trinity.
Other notes is that their is a hierarchy though no inequality. Also many bad examples exist of what the Trinity is but my personal favorite (to which I am bias and think to be pretty good) is one that my Dad created, when I was young, in order to explain to me the functions of each person of the trinity using biblical and bodily imagery.

God the Father is the Head or the Will
God the Son is the Word, which cannot testify of anything except to exalt (represent) the head
God the Spirit is the Breath which enlivens the Word, which the Word has without measure. And the breath does nothing but to express the Word and through the Word - the Head.
Therefore the Word is exalted and in it the fullness of God dwells

However, I repeat there are really no great analogies of this union.
 
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This is an example of oneness, not the trinity :)

an example of the trinity would be say if you have 3 men and they all have the title of president.

My bad, my bad...I've been sprending this topic was too long


An example is family, you got a mother, father and daughter or son. Three persons but they still one family.Same with the trinity, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, but it still One God.

Now, how you separate one member of the trinity from the rest, I don't know, but I do not really worry about it because if God expected me to know it, He would have told me, or given me the ability to think it through, and I haven't. All I know is, He did die on the cross. He was separated from the Father, and, yet, one with the Father, and I don't understand that, and I am not going to be worried about not understanding it. It is not God’s problem. It is mine. I just do not have what it takes.
 
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The trinity is a pagan doctrine,that many Christians believe,that has become so popular,that they think that the belief of one God and no trinity is false.

The truth is Jesus is the only God our heavenly Father.

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To people who believe in a trinity some things need to be explained on their part.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace(Isaiah 9:6).

How can the Son be called The everlasting Father?

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell(Proverbs 30:4).

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they(Hebrews 1:4).

I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive(John 5:43).

How can the Father and the Son share the same name?

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne(Revelation 4:2).

3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads(Revelation 22:3-4).

There is only one throne in heaven,not 2 thrones in heaven,and Jesus is the one on that throne,who is both God and the Lamb,the man Christ Jesus,Jesus who is God,in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

How is it that there is one throne in heaven and Jesus sits on that throne?

Jesus is not on a throne next to the Father but there is only one throne in heaven and Jesus is on that throne.How then is Jesus on the Father's right hand?I know the answer.

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting(Micah 5:2).

The Bible says when the Son comes He will have no beginning according to His deity,so He cannot be a created god.

The word Son means to be begotten and come after the Father or else the word Son has no meaning.

How can the Son be called the Son if He has no beginning when the term Son means to be begotten and come after the Father?

How can the Son be called the Son if He has no beginning?

If He were a created god then how can he have no beginning?

If He has no beginning then why is He called a Son?

And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you(John 16:23).

Jesus told His disciples when He ascends to heaven for them not to ask Him anything but only ask the Father.

12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it(John 14:12-14).

Jesus told His disciples that when He ascends to heaven to ask Him and He will do it.

If Jesus said when He ascends to heaven not to ask Him anything but only ask the Father,then why did He say when He ascends to heaven to ask Him and He will do it?I know the answer.

The plain truth is that Jesus is our Father,and that is why the Old Testament says He shall be called the everlasting Father,shall have no beginning,and the Father and Son share the same name which the Son inherited the name from the Father,and came in His Father's name which is Jesus.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,so it is the name of the Father and Son,the man Christ Jesus,and that is why there is only one throne in heaven and one who sits on it who is Jesus.Jesus is the Father and the Son inherited that name from the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus for Jesus is the Holy Spirit.The Father is the Holy Spirit and the Son is the man Christ Jesus,not a created god and not a second person of a trinity.


7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake(John 14:7-14).

Here the Son,the man Christ Jesus,is explaining that He is the Father manifest in flesh.

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you(John 14:16-18).

Here Jesus is explaining that He is the Holy Spirit manifest in flesh.

God is an omnipresent Spirit and is the same through His omnipresent Spirit with no distiction of persons and the Spirit that is in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God with no distinction of persons.

Father,Son and Holy Spirit are not 3 pesonalities in one God but the 3 ways the one true God with no distinction of persons has made Himself known to His saints,relationships,that He designates by titles.

Father-the saints parent.

Son-the visible relationship the Father has with the saints.The only way the saints can see the invisible God for God the Father and the Lamb,the man Christ Jesus,God the Father in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,share the same throne.

Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship with the saints.

There are not 3 personalities in one God but the one true God who is an omnipresent Spirit created all things and is the parent of the saints,manifest some of His Spirit in flesh,which means He gave all His attributes to the Son,the man Chrits Jesus,and dwells in the hearts of the saints by His Spirit.

The Bible says that God is in all and through all,and the Spirit that is in Christ is connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God with no distinction of persons.

It is one God with no distinction of persons that did everything.

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him(1 Corinthians 8:6).

There is only one God the Father,and one visible manifestation of God the Father,the Lord Jesus Christ.

Matt
 
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mpaper345, just curious but what makes you think Isaiah 9:6 is a messianic prophecy?
 
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24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all(1 Corinthians 15:24-28).

There is 2 beings according to these scriptures but it is not God the Father and a created god,and it is not God the Father and a second person of a trinity.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus(1 Timothy 2:5).

Our mediator is the man Christ Jesus.Our Saviour is the man Christ Jesus.

Only a sinless man can approach a holy God on man's behalf.

No man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh,the man Christ Jesus,and gave us His human body as a sacrifice to take away our sins.

God reconciled sinful man back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,fully God and fully man in harmony.Father and Son,the man Christ Jesus,in harmony and all who receive the Spirit will be Father and human in harmony.

God's right hand represents power,wisdom,and salvation.

Jesus said that all power in heaven and earth is given to Him.

The Bible says that Jesus is on the right hand of God.

God gave all power and authority to the man Christ Jesus because He is our Saviour.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,so God still has all the power but He is ruling by the man Christ Jesus.

Because the man Christ Jesus is our Saviour He must rule until all His enemies are conquered.

The Bible says that Jesus will have all power and authority,which is represented by sitting on the right hand of God,until a certain time,and then when all His enemies are conquered God will stop ruling by the man Christ Jesus and God will be all in all.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh so God still has all power but He is ruling by the man Christ Jesus.

The Bible says that there is one throne in heaven and one who sits on the throne which is the throne of God and the Lamb,God the Father in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus on the right hand of God does not mean He has a throne next to the Father,but that God gave the man Christ Jesus all power in heaven and earth until a certain time,then God will stop ruling by the man Christ Jesus,God's personal bodily manifestation,and God will be all in all.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,which means that God gave all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God for God cannot be separated,and God's visible manifestation to the saints in heaven.


25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish(Ephesians 5:25-27).

The Bible says the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to God the Father.The kingom is the Church.

The Bible says that Jesus will present the Church to Himself.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,fully God and fully man so Jesus as a man will present the Church,kingdom,to Himself as God.

There is 2 beings in 1 Corinthians 15:24-28,but it is not God the Father and a created god,and it is not God the Father and a second person of a trinity,but it God the Father and the Son,the man Christ Jesus.

God is an omnipresent Spirit and is the same throughout His omnipresent Spirit with no distinction of persons.

The Bible says that God is in all and through all.In the Son,the man Christ Jesus,God manifest all His attributes and the Spirit in the Son,the man Christ Jesus,is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God for God cannot be separated.Jesus is not a created god or a second person of a trinity,but He is the fulness of the attributes of God,making Him God in a bodily manifestation,and the Spirit in the Son,the man Christ Jesus,is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God.
In the siants God manifested partial attributes.

The only difference between the Son and the saints,is the Son has the fulness of God's attributes,and the siants have partial attributes,but the Son is not a created god or a second person of a trinity but God the Father showing us a visible manifestation of Himself,and the Spirit in the Son is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God which has no distinction of persons.

7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake(John 14:7-11).


8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power(Colossians 2:8-10).


14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen(1 timothy 6:14-16).

Jesus is the only Potentate,Ruler,and no man can see Him,nor ever will see Him,because He is God the Father which no man can ever see,but we can only see a visible manifestation of the Father as the Lord Jesus Christ,God the Father in the glorified body of the Son,the man Christ Jesus.

God showed Himself to Abraham as a man,but you would not say that it is another personality or another God,but a visible manifestation of God the Father.
God showed Himself to us as a man,Jesus Christ,but you cannot say it is another personality or another God,because it is a visible manifestation of God the Father,but a permanent manifestation of God,for that is how we will see the invisble God in heaven,and the Spirit in the Son,the man Christ Jesus,is still connected to the ominpresent Spirit of God as one omnipresent Spirit of God with no distinction of persons and cannot be separated.

Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any(Isaiah 44:8).

Matt
 
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I think of the Trinity as this:

God is the Father.
God needed to come to earth in the form of a man—this was Jesus, the Son.
God needs to communicate with us directly. When he does, his spirit is known as the Holy Spirit.

That is the Trinity—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
 
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Dmurray

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I think of the Trinity as this:

God is the Father.
God needed to come to earth in the form of a man—this was Jesus, the Son.
God needs to communicate with us directly. When he does, his spirit is known as the Holy Spirit.

That is the Trinity—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
This is not the doctrine of the Trinity though. The Doctrine of the Trinity is that God Jesus and Holy Ghost are three co-equal co-eternal co-existent beings

IE: 3 men having the same position as President.
 
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This is not the doctrine of the Trinity though. The Doctrine of the Trinity is that God Jesus and Holy Ghost are three co-equal co-eternal co-existent beings

IE: 3 men having the same position as President.
Actually...
IE: 3 persons being the same President
 
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Consumed

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best thing is as example given by the three is they speak highly of each other every time, as one