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angelos

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You still didn't answer my question. Yet passed it off.
three are one means the father the son and the spirit are god yet they are not each the same. I thought the other guy did a good enough post on what i meant but if you wanted me to say it then here it is and no i didn't pass it off i answered your other post
 
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There is only one God,who is an omnipresent Spirirt,and is the same throughout His omnipresent Spirit,with no distinction of persons.

God manifest in the flesh,means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God.

Father,Son,and Holy Spirit are the 3 relationships that God has with His children,not 3 persons in one God.

Father-God is the parent of the saints.

Son-God's visible relationship to the saints,and there is one throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,which is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus,who is a visible manifestation of the invisible God.

Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship the saints.

Before God created anything He is a Holy Spirit.
Father is a title for God the Holy Spirit.
The Son is the man Christ Jesus.

Any reference to the Son being in the beginning,means that it was a plan of God in His mind to have His Son,the man Christ Jesus,to be born in the future,so it was the same as if the Son was already in the beginning,before He was born,because God calls things that have not yet happened as though they already happened,and the Son was made of a woman,made under the law,made according to the flesh.

God's right hand represents,power,wisdom,and salvation.
When God brought Israel out of Egypt,the Bible says He brought them out by His mighty right hand.
The Bible says,Jesus is the wisdom,and salvation of God.

Jesus at the right hand does not mean that Jesus has a throne next to the Father,but the Father exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power,until a certain time,which is designated by Jesus being at the right hand,and then the Son shall submit to God,that God may be all in all.

There is only one throne in heaven,and Jesus is the one sitting on that throne.

The Bible says that the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to God the Father.
Jesus said He will present the Church to Himself.

Let us make man in our image is a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God,God in the man Christ Jesus.The Us is God and the man Christ Jesus,who can be in the beginning before He was born,because God calls things that have not yet happened as though they already happened.
Adam was made after the similtude of Christ.
God made man in His image.
The image of God is the image of Christ.
God had the plan in His mind to come in the future in flesh,and He created Adam in that image.

The Word became flesh means,that God had the plan in His mind to come in the future in flesh.

There is one God doing it all,who is a Holy Spirit.When God created mankind,He became the Father of the saints.Father is a title.The Son is the man Christ Jesus.

There is only one God,who is a Holy Spirit,and the Son,the man Christ Jesus.Father is a title for God the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.
Jesus is telling us that He created all things,manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and dwells in the saints by the Spirit.
That is why Jews,Gentiles,and Samaritans,were all baptized in Jesus' name.

Jesus and the saints are alike,except the man Christ Jesus is the fulness of God 's attributes,and the saints have partial attributes.

1.If the Son has no beginning,why is He called a Son,since He has no Father.How can the Father be the Father of the Son,if the Son was not created.

2.If the Son was created,it is not scriptual,for God said there would be no God formed after Him.

3.If the Son has a beginning,then why does the Bible says when the Son comes,He will be from everlasting,meaning no beginning,and shall, be called The everlasting Father.

4.The Bible says Jesus created all things.If Jesus created all things,wouldn't that make Him our Father,seeing He created people.

5.If Jesus is the second person of a trinity,then why was Mary with child of the Holy Spirit.

6.If Jesus is the second person of a trinity,the why does the Bible say He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The truth is that there is only one God,and the man Christ Jesus.
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,fully God and fully man in harmony,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,with no distinction of persons.

In reality there is only 2 persons.God the Holy Spirit,and the Son,the man Christ Jesus.Father is a title.

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Dmurray

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three are one means the father the son and the spirit are god yet they are not each the same. I thought the other guy did a good enough post on what i meant but if you wanted me to say it then here it is and no i didn't pass it off i answered your other post
I Still don't understand. 3 in one. Sounds like some sort of combo pack that you would buy on special.
How can there be 3 yet one? That doesn't sound like One God. Sounds almost like polytheism to me.
 
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The Bible says there is only one God,the Father,and one visible manifestation of God the Father,the Lord Jesus Christ.

There is only one God,the Father.

If someone believes that there is a trinity,they have made 3 separate Gods,and not the truth of the Bible,that there is only one God,but they have to justify their belief in a trinity by saying they are 3 persons in one God,but this is 3 separate Gods,and goes against the Bible that teaches only one God.

They teach that all 3 are Gods,God the Father,God the Son,and God the Holy Spirit,which means they believe in 3 separate Gods,not 3 persons in one God,for they call all 3 God.

The Bible says there is only one God,the Father,and that is why the Bible says that Son shall be called The everlasting Father,because there is only one God,the Father,and Jesus is God.

If someone says that Jesus was a created god,then it contradicts the Bible that says,that there shall be no God formed after God.

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angelos

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"For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the godhead of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is all One, the Glory Equal, the Majesty Co-Eternal." - athanasian creed
 
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Dmurray

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"For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the godhead of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is all One, the Glory Equal, the Majesty Co-Eternal." - athanasian creed
That makes no sense though. You just separated God into three.
 
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Servantofiam

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Hey angelos are you saying Jesus and God have different wills? Does one will something and the other not?
 
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Dmurray

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Well I'm not Muslim...
 
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Servantofiam

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Exo 3:14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you. "

Jn 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

Isa 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Jesus says He is God, God says through Isaiah that the Son is the Eternal Father. So Jesus is saying He is both God and Father and Son, not seperate beings, the very same. Jesus doesn't say I'm apart of God He says He is God.
 
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angelos

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Hey angelos are you saying Jesus and God have different wills? Does one will something and the other not?
no i'm not but i don't say God cannot exist as the father the son and the spirit simultaneously as dmurray says
 
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Servantofiam

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I'm sorry somebody believes that the Father Son and Holy Ghost cannot exsist simultaneously at the same time?
How do you explain jesus' baptism Dmurray? Voice from heaven, Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ.

Does everyone agree that the Father is God?
And that Jesus is God?
And that the Holy Spirit is God?
And that these three are the same One God?
 
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Dmurray

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I would explain it as God exists outside of time space and matter, therefore he could talk to himself on earth.
 
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Shwagga

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I would explain it as God exists outside of time space and matter, therefore he could talk to himself on earth.
I am not sure how you make time, space and matter equivalent to God speaking to Himself? Can you explain that one more time for me please?
 
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Dmurray

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Well since he is able to be in more place at once wouldn't he be able to talk to himself? if he is able to be in 2 different times at once, wouldn't he be able to talk to himself?
 
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angelos

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why would he have to talk to himself if he already knows?
 
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Dmurray

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To let us know... to let the people at that time now. its not about reasurring himself, but making sure the people know.
 
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Shwagga

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Well since he is able to be in more place at once wouldn't he be able to talk to himself? if he is able to be in 2 different times at once, wouldn't he be able to talk to himself?
What does that have to do with being outside of time, space and matter? I don't see the point in God talking to Himself either, namely praying to Himself.
 
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Dmurray

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To set the example for us. He didn't need to do it no. But we need to know how so he did it as an example.
 
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Shwagga

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To set the example for us. He didn't need to do it no. But we need to know how so he did it as an example.
Um.. Okay.. Thanks for the fast replies too, I appreciate them.

Did you already go over John 17, John 17:5 specifically?