Two Creation Stories...

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Raebear

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My friend asked me why I believe in every word the Bible says if there are two stories about creation...

I didn't know what to say.
 
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Israel

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My friend asked me why I believe in every word the Bible says if there are two stories about creation...

I didn't know what to say.
What do you mean?
 
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Saint

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sure, there's the one in genesis and the one in John. They don't disagree with each other at all, but hey, details right?
 
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Saint

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but seriously, which ones were he talking about?
 
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greenfrog

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There are many creation accounts in the Bible: in Genesis, Psalms, John, etc. What's the problem? :)
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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There are many creation accounts in the Bible: in Genesis, Psalms, John, etc. What's the problem? :)
The problem is that folks come along and assert the Bible contradicts itself when it doesn't because of their misunderstandings. This is one of the more common ones.
 
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Raebear

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I didn't know what she was talking about because I didn't even know what she meant. I accepted Christ like a month ago. I have no idea about the parts of the Bible she's talking about. I'm reading Genisis and John and they both make sense to me. I'm just really confused. Can someone tell me where the search forums button is? That would make everything a lot easier.

Thanks ya'll
 
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Saint

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#9
There is only one creation story. Genesis 1 and 2 provide two differing accounts of the same creation story. You should have used the search button. It's been covered numerous times on this forum ;)

Don't Genesis 1 and 2 present contradictory creation accounts? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

Doesn't Genesis One Contradict Genesis Two?
uhh, I don't see any contradictions at all. except maybe a little detail difference, but just 1, maybe 2 small pointless things.
 
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Rissa77

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Article from my Bible:

Chapter 2 is a second creation account only in the sense that it gives a more detailed accounting, not a contradictory one. While chapter 1 provides a general description, chapter 2 is specific. Twofold accounts were common in ancient theories of creation (e. g., the Babylonian story of Atrahasis). The differences in the order of the creation events are due to the narratives' respective purposes. The first gives a loosely chronological account, gathering creation events into a discernible pattern to show the symmetry of creation's day by expanding on the creation and the relationship of the man and the woman. Gen 2 presupposes chapter 1 and does not duplicate all the creation events.
 
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Israel

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uhh, I don't see any contradictions at all. except maybe a little detail difference, but just 1, maybe 2 small pointless things.
Those pointless things really DO matter. It is here in the first two books of the Bible where one can either humble themselves and not worry about what man has established as popular belief, or hardening their hearts to build on a foundation that isn't sturdy. Adam was not the only man.
 

phil36

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I didn't know what she was talking about because I didn't even know what she meant. I accepted Christ like a month ago. I have no idea about the parts of the Bible she's talking about. I'm reading Genisis and John and they both make sense to me. I'm just really confused. Can someone tell me where the search forums button is? That would make everything a lot easier.

Thanks ya'll
Hi Raebear,

First of all praise God that you accepted His offer of Salvation:) and don't worry if you don't know everything know one does. just take it easy and enjoy your walk with God and reading His word all these things will come.

Remeber, if someone asks you a question and you don't just say, I don't know but I'll try and find out for you, that's what I do.

For the best advice stick to parents /trusted christian friends in your church and your Pastor.

Blessings

Phil
 
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Saint

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Those pointless things really DO matter. It is here in the first two books of the Bible where one can either humble themselves and not worry about what man has established as popular belief, or hardening their hearts to build on a foundation that isn't sturdy. Adam was not the only man.
that wasn't one of the contradictions I saw. I was just talking about how God creates dry land in the first one, but water in the second. The first one doesn't necissarily say that there was only one. It really doesn't specify how many, except one of the pronouns.
 
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Israel

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that wasn't one of the contradictions I saw. I was just talking about how God creates dry land in the first one, but water in the second. The first one doesn't necissarily say that there was only one. It really doesn't specify how many, except one of the pronouns.

Are you referring to the mist that watered the face of the ground?
 
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Saint

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Are you referring to the mist that watered the face of the ground?
yep, but that could mean that He was just watering the earth for the plants.
 
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Israel

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yep, but that could mean that He was just watering the earth for the plants.

This is not literal rain at all the Bible is speaking about. This is symbolism as the words are Spirit breathed.

Genesis 2:5-6

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

These aren't literal plants and herbs. This speaks of the time before the LORD gave of His Spirit to mankind. If indeed we are to hold on to Adam being the only man as taught by the mainstream, then there wasn't a man to do ANYTHING, not just to till the ground.

Deuteronomy 11:10-18

For the land, whither thou goest in to possess it, is not as the land of Egypt, from whence ye came out, where thou sowedst thy seed, and wateredst it with thy foot, as a garden of herbs:

11But the land, whither ye go to possess it, is a land of hills and valleys, and drinketh water of the rain of heaven:
12A land which the LORD thy God careth for: the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year.
13And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,
14That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.
15And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full.
16Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;
17And then the LORD's wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you. 18Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.


Israel was to obey the commandments of God and to love Him with all their heart and soul.
Did they obey?

Jeremiah 3:1-3

They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

2Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness. 3Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.


Jeremiah 5:21-25

Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:

22Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?
23But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.
24Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest. 25Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.

Joel 2:21-25

Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.

22Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.
23Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
24And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil. 25And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

James 5:2-7

Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
3Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
4Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
5Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
6Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you. 7Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

This rain was important to the LORD our God. What was it?

Isaiah 44:1-4

Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

2Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.
3For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring: 4And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.

This rain talked about in Genesis and in the verses listed is the Spirit of God. Before this happened there was a mist that came from the ground. Again, Adam was not the only man as on day six, God had made the natural man or mankind first. This mist was mankind's understanding of what or who God was by earthly means.

Romans 2:14-15

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

The Gentiles, as the Bible now calls them, were here on day (age) six. Those whom by nature, did the things contained in the law, received of the mist of the ground. They became a law unto themselves.
 
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yahweh_is4me

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All stick to what the Bible says .. not what man says ...
 
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I didn't know what she was talking about because I didn't even know what she meant. I accepted Christ like a month ago. I have no idea about the parts of the Bible she's talking about. I'm reading Genisis and John and they both make sense to me. I'm just really confused. Can someone tell me where the search forums button is? That would make everything a lot easier.

Thanks ya'll
She is talking about the fact that in Genesis 1 it says that God made both male anfd female seemingly at the same time.
Genesis 1
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.



Then in Genesis 2 it says that God made Adam first out of the dust of the ground, and then Eve later out of Adam's rib
Genesis 2
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.



These two descriptions of mans creation do not contradict one another nor is it speaking of two separate events. One is a general description, and the other is a detailed description of the same event.
 
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Saint

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This is not literal rain at all the Bible is speaking about. This is symbolism as the words are Spirit breathed.
I wouldn't be surprised, but personally I do not concern myself with the fine points of creation. The important thing is that God created it, He was there before it, and He loves all of creation. There are more, but those are off the top of my head.