Vaccination?

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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

  • Other,I will explain.


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iamsoandso

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iamsoandso

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Good idea and I bet it has worked to encourage some to get vaxxed.

To me I think the best thing to do is to just never catch the virus(vaccinated or not). The reason why is that it does x amount of damage to our bodies organs. So it could be a lot or just a little so catch it with no vaccine every time the antibodies decline and four or five times will be fatal or if vaccinated maybe ten or so times and it will still do the same amount and be fatal. That's I think why the elite,politicians ect. travel with doctors on hand and get tested daily to minimize what it will do to them. In short they seem to know a lot more about what it will be like ten years from now and so to them they see the debate over the vaccine as if five or so years the un-vaccinated will be gone and ten or so the vaccinated also. Their scared of catching it if you watch them they test daily,they test everyone before they go there and if they do catch it they take the Covid cocktail as fast as possible to reduce the damage to their organs.

We cant get tested daily and so we would be infected a week or more before we knew it. Then we would have to go to our doctor and be referred to a antibody treatment center. So we would be two or more weeks into an infection and so have more organ damage because of it. They just need us to keep arguing about it all to so we don't panic because we realized that. Just don't catch it,don't let your children catch it. The economy would crumble if they shut everything down and it would be chaos in every city. It seems that they knew this all along and decided to have us just keep on as normal as possible as long as possible and let the virus eliminate the over population problem. No one can put the blame on them if the virus reduces the earths population in the end.
 

Moses_Young

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To me I think the best thing to do is to just never catch the virus(vaccinated or not).
The vaccine is the virus. If you are vaccinated, you have the "virus". It's not an if - it's a when. Unless all your jabs were somehow one of the placebo, saline shots.
 

Aidan1

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The vaccine is the virus. If you are vaccinated, you have the "virus". It's not an if - it's a when. Unless all your jabs were somehow one of the placebo, saline shots.
You are spreading untruth! Why? As one who claime to be a follower of Christ.
 

Aidan1

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Prove it. It's not untrue. What else could it be for?
Prove it. It's not untrue. What else could it be for?
Easy, the virus was before the vaccine. (Maby you forget NY ore northitaly) And without virus no vaccine nessasary. And without virus how can be produced a vaccine? Dont forget worldwide the people searched to produce a vaccine. - no political different: Communists, left, right, Democrates, Dictator, no religious difference: Christians, Jews, Moslems, Hindus.
 

John146

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Good idea and I bet it has worked to encourage some to get vaxxed.
Over 1.3 million people die on the roadways every year. If the media covered this 24 hours a day, seven days a week, going into detail the lives of the ones who died, videos of their hospital visits, and wreckage...it would bring such a fear to most people, and most people would stop driving.
 

Aidan1

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NewsGuard is a Microsoft browser extension that blacklists conservative organizations and news websites.


https://newsguardwatch.com/
If conservative organisations spreading untruth it may be.
But they are transparent and you can research their reports/statements
Finaly it is anyway difficult to trust anybody.
But when believers came up with the claime that the vaccine is the virus. Then I asked where come such claimings from. Conservative organisations?
I dont know.
But I know that this claim is a lie.
Or that 65% of the vaccined people will die after one year. Or the vaccine is made for depopulate the mankind.
These are unproved claimes. Not more. Doesnt matter who claimes it. It is unproved!!
 

Runningman

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Yes, I believe use of stem cells, specifically cells from aborted fetuses, present moral and ethical issues. However, not much can be done about this unless one goes through the natural or homeopathy route for medicine. What can be done is to pressure scientists from using these cells for future treatments. At least they are using fetuses from the 70s and 80s. A lot of pills/medications and other treatments including monoclonal antibodies are involved in this. I also think it is insincere and illogical to seek exemption for one treatment that relied on these cells, but accept another medication that uses them. That to me presents additional, perhaps bigger, issues about my own values. I do not believe a person who picks and chooses which treatment to use containing fetal cells is the "better" person overall. However, if one is able to avoid all medications with this issue, I applaud them.
I think it's actually a lot more complicated than that when one is deciding if something is a sin or not, especially when it's something that falls into a bit of a gray area.

Here are some points to consider about moral theology:

1. By taking a vaccine, are we in moral cooperation with murdering babies?

2. By taking a vaccine, are we demonstrating a material connection to evil?

3. Though we may not have been the ones to murder the babies to harvest their stem cells, does purchasing vaccine products validate and enable evil?

4. Is taking a vaccine being in agreement with murdering babies?

5. Is there a moral alternative to the vaccine? If yes, then should the vaccine still be an option?

6. If taking a vaccine is a sin, (many Christians think it is) will it create scandal within the church for church members to take it?
 

Aidan1

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I think it's actually a lot more complicated than that when one is deciding if something is a sin or not, especially when it's something that falls into a bit of a gray area.

Here are some points to consider about moral theology:

1. By taking a vaccine, are we in moral cooperation with murdering babies?

2. By taking a vaccine, are we demonstrating a material connection to evil?

3. Though we may not have been the ones to murder the babies to harvest their stem cells, does purchasing vaccine products validate and enable evil?

4. Is taking a vaccine being in agreement with murdering babies?

5. Is there a moral alternative to the vaccine? If yes, then should the vaccine still be an option?

6. If taking a vaccine is a sin, (many Christians think it is) will it create scandal within the church for church members to take it?
If it is correct to buying food and cloth from a sinner? If so then you have to produce your food and cloth from your own, but be careful not to sin.
The 2 Babys you mentioned where murdered in the 60s and 80s. Today is nothing from them in the vaccines.
People researched and cut of death bodys and could study in this way the anatomy of an human beeing. We all have benefit today from these researches.
5. there is no alternative to a vaccination. Many people had benefit from vaccines against polio, chickenpox, measeles, rabies and Hepatitis A they all based on the derivates from the above mentioned fetal cells.
Of course would be an alternative, which you can call an alternative available i would prefer this.
But to call vaccination a sin, you have to add many more a sin. We live in this world so long the Lord let us live here. We must not live like the World does, but we live in.
Btw we Christians tend to make more laws, then the Lord is given to us.
 

Runningman

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If it is correct to buying food and cloth from a sinner? If so then you have to produce your food and cloth from your own, but be careful not to sin.
The 2 Babys you mentioned where murdered in the 60s and 80s. Today is nothing from them in the vaccines.
People researched and cut of death bodys and could study in this way the anatomy of an human beeing. We all have benefit today from these researches.
5. there is no alternative to a vaccination. Many people had benefit from vaccines against polio, chickenpox, measeles, rabies and Hepatitis A they all based on the derivates from the above mentioned fetal cells.
Of course would be an alternative, which you can call an alternative available i would prefer this.
But to call vaccination a sin, you have to add many more a sin. We live in this world so long the Lord let us live here. We must not live like the World does, but we live in.
Btw we Christians tend to make more laws, then the Lord is given to us.
Let me put it this way: Sin isn't required to produce food and clothing, but sin is required to produce vaccines. Does that make sense?

It's a sure thing that someone got murdered in ordered to get you a vaccine. When you receive food or clothing, there is no overt sin taking place.

So do you agree it's entirely possible that many more things are sins than we presently acknowledge?
 

Moses_Young

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Easy, the virus was before the vaccine. (Maby you forget NY ore northitaly) And without virus no vaccine nessasary. And without virus how can be produced a vaccine? Dont forget worldwide the people searched to produce a vaccine. - no political different: Communists, left, right, Democrates, Dictator, no religious difference: Christians, Jews, Moslems, Hindus.
Sigh. The "virus" has never been isolated. There were a bunch of old people in Italy suffering severe symptoms, but that town in Italy is the most polluted, and people *always* suffer respiratory symptoms there. Gates and his conspirators released the vaccine after the fear propagandisation of a virus, but that doesn't mean the vaccine wasn't already to go.

The easy and safe cure for the "virus" is Ivermectin (and a bunch of other anti-parasitic drugs such as hydroxchloroquine) which is why governments around the world are banning it (and the others). If people are cured within days by a drug that has been safety tested for years, why are they going to take an experimental vax? (Bill and his mates know what the vax will do, they are just calling it experimental for reasons of plausible deniability).

Around 5 times the people reporting to hospital who are vaccinated in the UK are dying of the "delta variant" than the unvaccinated. If you can't call that vaccine injury, I'm not sure you have within you the ability to discern a vaccine injury.
 

Moses_Young

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One sure thing is for certain, Funeral Homes know who died of what and how.
If this Advertisement is [accurate], the Funeral Business is loving the Covid-19 and the Unvaxxed!

Out of all of the Fact-Check Websites we have to choose from, this Advertisement ^, is probably more Truthful and Factual than anything else posted from the sites!
Or maybe it's a funeral home run by an undertaker with a conscience, and he's seen all the deaths of vaxxed people and doesn't want people to die unnecessarily? How would you feel if you kept having to bury double-jabbed 16 year olds and 25 year olds who were dying of heart attacks and strokes and things we expect from the 65+ year olds, just because they'd be poisoned with a fake-jab, and the medical system and media were censoring the doctors who were speaking out against it? Would you put up signs encouring vaccination so you could make a few more dollars (most of which would go to the government in taxes anyway), or would you try and get the truth out there? I know what I'd do - there are more important things in life than earning fake money for a fake government.
 

gb9

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Or maybe it's a funeral home run by an undertaker with a conscience, and he's seen all the deaths of vaxxed people and doesn't want people to die unnecessarily? How would you feel if you kept having to bury double-jabbed 16 year olds and 25 year olds who were dying of heart attacks and strokes and things we expect from the 65+ year olds, just because they'd be poisoned with a fake-jab, and the medical system and media were censoring the doctors who were speaking out against it? Would you put up signs encouring vaccination so you could make a few more dollars (most of which would go to the government in taxes anyway), or would you try and get the truth out there? I know what I'd do - there are more important things in life than earning fake money for a fake government.

a long time family friend who's family has owned a funeral home for decades told me recently that" all the respiratory failure deaths coming out of nursing homes are being counted as covid deaths. we had over a 100 covid deaths this past winter to one flu death. they get $2500 stimulus money per covid death, so they are just counting everything as covid"

this from a 70+ year old cancer survivor who was not even wearing a mask in a funeral home.
 

iamsoandso

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Sigh. The "virus" has never been isolated. There were a bunch of old people in Italy suffering severe symptoms, but that town in Italy is the most polluted, and people *always* suffer respiratory symptoms there. Gates and his conspirators released the vaccine after the fear propagandisation of a virus, but that doesn't mean the vaccine wasn't already to go.

The easy and safe cure for the "virus" is Ivermectin (and a bunch of other anti-parasitic drugs such as hydroxchloroquine) which is why governments around the world are banning it (and the others). If people are cured within days by a drug that has been safety tested for years, why are they going to take an experimental vax? (Bill and his mates know what the vax will do, they are just calling it experimental for reasons of plausible deniability).

Around 5 times the people reporting to hospital who are vaccinated in the UK are dying of the "delta variant" than the unvaccinated. If you can't call that vaccine injury, I'm not sure you have within you the ability to discern a vaccine injury.

This approach is probably not going to be productive to your position. Why is that your stating that Covid was already killing people in Italy via Bill Gates and mates before the vaccine(which would mean the vaccine is not needed in order to spread it) and that they can infect people with it vaccinated or not.

In addition I would caution against suggesting anti-parasitic drugs(ones your naming) and why is that it is well known that anti-parasitic drugs(wormers) will cause miscarriage. Wormwood(and many others) is an anti-parasitic that has been used for thousands of years to cause abortion and the anti-parasitic's you named will have the same result. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/abortifacient
 

iamsoandso

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What is more divisive than racism? Introduce mandatory vaccine
Racism and mandatory vaccination are in no way comparable. Why is a persons race is not something they can determine(only God can) and an vaccine is man made. In Scripture Elisha was called "bald head" https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Kings 2:23-24&version=KJV which is something determined by God(so Elisha had no control over it) and so it is an argument/insult against how God created Elisha(God saw that he did just fine). How a person looks is directly determined by God and so racism is an argument with the creator(people see some attractive and others not).