We know about throwing out law, does the law have anything good about it??

[just-me]

Yep, circumcision of the heart. The other circumcision in my opinion achieves nothing.

Circumcision of the heart is written in the law God gave, even before Christ Jesus' completion of it. I like the way you put that for it is Bible truth.

Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Matthew 13:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Jeremiah 4:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For thus saith the LORD to the men of Judah and Jerusalem, Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

Mark 9:43-48 (KJV)
[SUP]43 [/SUP]And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[SUP]46 [/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Luke 8:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

If we don't accept even this one part of the law, why would we ever say we obey Jesus' teaching when it is the same law? I don't thing Christ appreciates anyone who practices rejecting the law of His Father.

James 2:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

 

[Jesusismyrock]

So did circumcision become a common thing among the Jews due to misinterpretation?

 

[secularhermit]

Yep, circumcision of the heart. The other circumcision in my opinion achieves nothing.

I wonder how it could be of the heart. One day I wanted to make it myself (not by men) to avoid meing subjected to their commandments, except to God's, and I don't if that will or desire I had counts as "a circumcision of the heart" (note I was attending a baptisp church converted into a Jewishy Synagogue) (pictures in my albums)

Additionally to my ignorance, what is or was the purpose of being circumcised? Some other religions use it and, in my Jewish case, I wanted to belong to a culture I WASN'T born, I didn know, because it seems to be a mosaic command, but many have adopted like I thought and wanted to myself (as it could save me from hell or to make me be Jew, not being directly born Jew)

If any know or can teach me a bit, please click on "Like" because I will not be aware of any other answer or comment I could receive in here.

Thanks and SHALOM!

 

[just-me]

So did circumcision become a common thing among the Jews due to misinterpretation?

No. Jesus was circumcised on the eighth day. Heart circumcision has everything to do with conceiving into the kingdom of God today in Spirit. It had everything to do with conception then in the physical. As Jesus taught in parables, with that one foundation, we can better understand the Spiritual.

Matthew 13:10-14 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

This goes right back to my previous post of planting the seed in good ground called circumcision of the heart. In the law of nature we understand planting the seed. Parallel that with planting spiritual seeds.

John 3:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?


May God Bless you richly brother.

 

[Jesusismyrock]

No. Jesus was circumcised on the eighth day. Heart circumcision has everything to do with conceiving into the kingdom of God today in Spirit. It had everything to do with conception then in the physical. As Jesus taught in parables, with that one foundation, we can better understand the Spiritual.

Matthew 13:10-14 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

This goes right back to my previous post of planting the seed in good ground called circumcision of the heart. In the law of nature we understand planting the seed. Parallel that with planting spiritual seeds.

John 3:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?


May God Bless you richly brother.

I didn't mean circumcision of the heart.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So did circumcision become a common thing among the Jews due to misinterpretation?

Circumcision in the flesh was both a commandment in the law of Moses, and a seal of the covenant GOD made with Abraham. Through it people entered into this covenant, which, after a certain point, bound them to obey the law of Moses.

That covenant and law (which were just shadows of the coming realities) were fulfilled by Christ, who instituted a new covenant and law that supersedes the old. People enter into this new covenant through a spiritual circumcision of the heart. Being in covenant with GOD, they are bound to keep the law of the covenant, which is faith in Christ and love of mankind.

 

[Hizikyah]

Circumcision in the flesh was both a commandment in the law of Moses, and a seal of the covenant GOD made with Abraham. Through it people entered into this covenant, which, after a certain point, bound them to obey the law of Moses.

That covenant and law (which were just shadows of the coming realities) were fulfilled by Christ, who instituted a new covenant and law that supersedes the old. People enter into this new covenant through a spiritual circumcision of the heart. Being in covenant with GOD, they are bound to keep the law of the covenant, which is faith in Christ and love of mankind.

Followers of Messiah are heirs to the covenant made with Abraham.

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I wonder how it could be of the heart. One day I wanted to make it myself (not by men) to avoid meing subjected to their commandments, except to God's, and I don't if that will or desire I had counts as "a circumcision of the heart" (note I was attending a baptisp church converted into a Jewishy Synagogue) (pictures in my albums)

Additionally to my ignorance, what is or was the purpose of being circumcised? Some other religions use it and, in my Jewish case, I wanted to belong to a culture I WASN'T born, I didn know, because it seems to be a mosaic command, but many have adopted like I thought and wanted to myself (as it could save me from hell or to make me be Jew, not being directly born Jew)

If any know or can teach me a bit, please click on "Like" because I will not be aware of any other answer or comment I could receive in here.

Thanks and SHALOM!

If you believe in your heart that GOD raised Christ from the dead, and confess that he is the lord with your mouth, you will be circumcised in the heart. Also it would be good for you to be baptized, for that is the outward sign of the inward change.

If you confess that Jesus is the Lord with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, into righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses into salvation. Romans 10:9-10​

 

[Jesusismyrock]

If you believe in your heart that GOD raised Christ from the dead, and confess that he is the lord with your mouth, you will be circumcised in the heart. Also it would be good for you to be baptized, for that is the outward sign of the inward change.

If you confess that Jesus is the Lord with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, into righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses into salvation. Romans 10:9-10​

It would be good but it has no affect on your faith.

 

[secularhermit]

If you believe in your heart that GOD raised Christ from the dead, and confess that he is the lord with your mouth, you will be circumcised in the heart. Also it would be good for you to be baptized, for that is the outward sign of the inward change.

If you confess that Jesus is the Lord with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, into righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses into salvation. Romans 10:9-10​

Confessing and being baptized both are outward signs... The inward CHANGE, the believing, seems to be inside the circumcised heart.

Thanks for helping!

P.S. I once baptized twice, the way that denomination says Christians are to be baptized in the NAME OF JESUS, solely. I once thought salvation was enough through baptism, now I know those outward signs save NOT, except the inside heart circumcised.

 

[just-me]

I didn't mean circumcision of the heart.

I know, but God is graceful to give us understanding of the physical so we can comprehend the depth of the spiritual. All glory is His and His alone. God endorsed both for our understanding. I quote John 3:12 again from a different version"If you people don't believe me when I tell you about the things of the world, how will you believe me when I tell you about the things of heaven?"

 

[nl]

Rightly to know God is to keep his commandments - 1 John 2

The chief of the commands is to love one another - 1 John 2:7-17

v.7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
v.8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

 

[zone]

the greek says they broke bread, same as the other verses use to say sunday, aka Daniyl 7:25

2806 [e] klōntes κλῶντές breaking V-PPA-NMP
5037 [e] te τε moreover Conj
2596 [e] kat’ κατ’ from Prep
3624 [e] oikon οἶκον house [to house] N-AMS
740 [e] arton ἄρτον, bread, N-AMS

the Scriptures actually do talk about a Sabbath change, but it is donr by evil people and has nothing to do with the Messiah, more of an anti-Messiah thing

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; (mentally attack to cause to fall away), the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Acts 2
Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,

artos: bread, a loaf
Original Word: ἄρτος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: artos
Phonetic Spelling: (ar'-tos)
Short Definition: bread, a loaf, food
Definition: bread, a loaf, food.

740 ártos – properly, bread; (figuratively) divine provision; all the sustenance God supplies to yielded believers scene-by-scene to live in His preferred-will (2307 /thélēma).

....

trophé: nourishment, food
Original Word: τροφή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: trophé
Phonetic Spelling: (trof-ay')
Short Definition: food, nourishment
Definition: food, nourishment, maintenance.

sorry - you can't have it both ways - you know what the bread symbolizes, and you know what the Lord said about the breaking bread.

the eating is meals.

they broke bread on the first day of the week - Communion.
perhaps you do not partake - to your loss and hurt.

re:

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; (mentally attack to cause to fall away), the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

are you ever going to get around to finding out who this was about?
or conversely, prove who you think it was about?

hint - it's not about YOU, or us. at all.

 

[just-me]

The chief of the commands is to love one another - 1 John 2:7-17

v.7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
v.8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

2 John 1:5-6 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Leviticus 26:9-10 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.

 

[nl]

Q. How can we evaluate assurance of salvation in ourselves and others?
A. If you know that He is righteous, you know that every one that does righteousness is born of Him. (1 John 2: 29)

 

[Hizikyah]

Acts 2
Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,

artos: bread, a loaf
Original Word: ἄρτος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: artos
Phonetic Spelling: (ar'-tos)
Short Definition: bread, a loaf, food
Definition: bread, a loaf, food.

740 ártos – properly, bread; (figuratively) divine provision; all the sustenance God supplies to yielded believers scene-by-scene to live in His preferred-will (2307 /thélēma).

....

trophé: nourishment, food
Original Word: τροφή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: trophé
Phonetic Spelling: (trof-ay')
Short Definition: food, nourishment
Definition: food, nourishment, maintenance.

sorry - you can't have it both ways - you know what the bread symbolizes, and you know what the Lord said about the breaking bread.

the eating is meals.

they broke bread on the first day of the week - Communion.
perhaps you do not partake - to your loss and hurt.

re:

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; (mentally attack to cause to fall away), the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

are you ever going to get around to finding out who this was about?
or conversely, prove who you think it was about?

hint - it's not about YOU, or us. at all.

the "think" is the beast by its own authority claiming to change the Creators Law, and the world wonders after the beast....

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

“It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.” Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Magazine, USA (1975), Chicago, Illinois, “Under the blessing of the Pope Pius XI”

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."
"Times" is word # 2166 - Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar - 1) a set time, time, season

Daniyl 8:12, "And a host was given him against the daily by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and succeeded."

 

[zone]

the "think" is the beast by its own authority claiming to change the Creators Law, and the world wonders after the beast....

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

“It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.” Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Magazine, USA (1975), Chicago, Illinois, “Under the blessing of the Pope Pius XI”

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."
"Times" is word # 2166 - Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar - 1) a set time, time, season

Daniyl 8:12, "And a host was given him against the daily by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and succeeded."

1) the Catholic commentators are proven wrong by SCRIPTURE, concerning the first day of the week.

2) no one can "change the sinai sabbath" it's the 7th day. the last day of the Old Covenant.

3) by applying anything from the book of Daniel to the Papacy shows you have bought it all; hook line and sinker. and i know exactly where you went with it. now you're worse off than you were.

NONE of those passages in Daniel are about the RC church - not a single one....do you have reverse on your vehicle? you need it.

 

[Hizikyah]

1) the Catholic commentators are proven wrong by SCRIPTURE, concerning the first day of the week.

2) no one can "change the sinai sabbath" it's the 7th day. the last day of the Old Covenant.

3) by applying anything from the book of Daniel to the Papacy shows you have bought it all; hook line and sinker. and i know exactly where you went with it. now you're worse off than you were.

NONE of those passages in Daniel are about the RC church - not a single one....do you have reverse on your vehicle? you need it.

wow, all I can say is wow....

nothing like concealing evil huh...

Revelation 17:18, "And the woman whom you saw, is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth."

 

[Hizikyah]

the truth will not be hidden

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:18, "Little children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Anti- Messiah will come, even now there are many Anti-Messiahs; by this we know that this is the last hour."

Revelation 13:18, "Here is wisdom: Let him who has understanding count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man. And his number is 666."

Daniyl 8:11-13, "Yes, he magnified himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. And a host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and succeeded. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said to the one that spoke: How long will be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the setting up of The Abomination of Desolation (Lord of Heaven), and the surrender of the sanctuary, and the host to be trampled underfoot?

as high as the Prince of the host that means as high as Yahshua this man calles himself. = Vicarius Filii Del

See the cheribims? he thinks he sitting on the mecry seat, that is the Most High's seat
2 Thessalonians 2:4, "Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called gods or that is worshiped; so that he, as the Almighty, sits in the temple of Yahweh, showing himself that he is the Mighty One"

Revelation 17:4-5, "And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication. And upon her head was a name written: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS hAND OF THE iABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

Revelation 17:9, "And here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits."

Revelation 13:6, "And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against Yahweh, to blaspheme His Name, and His House, and those who dwell in heaven."

"No 'Yahweh' in songs, prayers at Catholic Masses, Vatican rules"
catholicnews.com

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away,
the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws"

"The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws... The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth." -Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Ribliotheca, "Papa," art. 2, translated.

“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

 

[zone]

wow, all I can say is wow....

nothing like concealing evil huh...

Revelation 17:18, "And the woman whom you saw, is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth."

Hizikyah,
neither Daniel NOR Revelation is about the Vatican.
if you want to discuss the Vatican, let's discuss it...that is not the subject of either Book.

this:

Revelation 17:18, "And the woman whom you saw, is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth."

was Jerusalem.
stop mishandling the bible.