We know about throwing out law, does the law have anything good about it??

[chubbena]

The bondage was circumcision?
cough.

If you keep coughing I would just leave you alone because it can be contagious.
Gen 17:26 Didn't you say it's the old covenant and NT believers are in the new covenant? Didn't the context in Acts 15 say NT believers don't have to be circumcised to be saved?
Gal 4 the elemental things of the world - so you agree with the context that bondage is not the law nor Old covenant, correct?
Hagar and Sarah - so you understand that the old covenant is not applicable and that circumcision is not a requirement, correct?

 

[zone]

If you keep coughing I would just leave you alone because it can be contagious.
Gen 17:26 Didn't you say it's the old covenant and NT believers are in the new covenant? Didn't the context in Acts 15 say NT believers don't have to be circumcised to be saved?
Gal 4 the elemental things of the world - so you agree with the context that bondage is not the law nor Old covenant, correct?
Hagar and Sarah - so you understand that the old covenant is not applicable and that circumcision is not a requirement, correct?

i saw your earlier post, dear.
if you've altered your position, just say so.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

the truth will not be hidden

Isn't there a way when you add up brussels sprout that you get 666? !! Oh no! ... Brussels sprout... Brussels... the capital of the European Union... the revived Roman Empire! Yikes!! This is all getting very strange!

 

[zone]

Followers of Messiah are heirs to the covenant made with Abraham.

Acts 11
25And he left for Tarsus to look for Saul; 26and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

Christianos: a Christian
Original Word: Χριστιανός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Christianos
Phonetic Spelling: (khris-tee-an-os')
Short Definition: a Christian
Definition: a Christian.

Acts 26
27"King Agrippa, do you believe the Prophets? I know that you do." 28 Agrippa replied to Paul, "In a short time you will persuade me to become a Christian." 29 And Paul said, "I would wish to God, that whether in a short or long time, not only you, but also all who hear me this day, might become such as I am, except for these chains."

1 Peter 4
15Make sure that none of you suffers as a murderer, or thief, or evildoer, or a troublesome meddler; 16but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name. 17For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

χριστιανος noun - nominative singular masculine
Christianos khris-tee-an-os': a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ -- Christian.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If you keep coughing I would just leave you alone because it can be contagious.
Gen 17:26 Didn't you say it's the old covenant and NT believers are in the new covenant? Didn't the context in Acts 15 say NT believers don't have to be circumcised to be saved?
Gal 4 the elemental things of the world - so you agree with the context that bondage is not the law nor Old covenant, correct?
Hagar and Sarah - so you understand that the old covenant is not applicable and that circumcision is not a requirement, correct?

Why do you continue to embarrass yourself by pretending to know what you're talking about. Circumcision bound one to the law of Moses. It was the yoke that binds. Peter called it an unbearable burden.

 

[chubbena]

i saw your earlier post, dear.
if you've altered your position, just say so.

It's you who keep putting law keepers in the wrong position. It's you who said law keepers are keeping the old covenant. It's you who said law keepers must keep the animal sacrifice and circumcision and other things. It's you who quoted Gal 4 which says the bondage is the elemental things of the world. Remember all that?

 

[chubbena]

Why do you continue to embarrass yourself by pretending to know what you're talking about. Circumcision bound one to the law of Moses. It was the yoke that binds. Peter called it an unbearable burden.

Read my earlier post to you and change your tone or you will be ignored.

 

[zone]

the revived Roman Empire! Yikes!! This is all getting very strange!

the revived Roman Empire!
yes indeed.
i would like to see it.

it has something to do with those 10 toes

Daniel 2:44
"In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Read my earlier post to you and change your tone or you will be ignored.

Please do ignore me. That would be a blessing compared to having to continually address your ignorant responses to my comments.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

the revived Roman Empire!
yes indeed.
i would like to see it.

it has something to do with those 10 toes

Daniel 2:44
"In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

Toes? Isn't there some way you can add up toe cheese and it equals 666? hmmmmmmmm...

 

[just-me]

It's you who keep putting law keepers in the wrong position. It's you who said law keepers are keeping the old covenant. It's you who said law keepers must keep the animal sacrifice and circumcision and other things. It's you who quoted Gal 4 which says the bondage is the elemental things of the world. Remember all that?

For all the comprehend. The old wine skins still hold good wine, but are fully expanded. The wine skins contain the words of the agreement between God and man, so the wine are the words from God describing the rules of the covenant. Nowhere has Jesus ever said to throw the wine away, and who in their right mind wouldn't drink the good stuff?

Leviticus 26:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.

1 John 2:7-8 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

 

[zone]

It's you who keep putting law keepers in the wrong position. It's you who said law keepers are keeping the old covenant. It's you who said law keepers must keep the animal sacrifice and circumcision and other things. It's you who quoted Gal 4 which says the bondage is the elemental things of the world. Remember all that?

hi chubbena
i'm sorry. i was certain you said circumcision was the bondage referred to.

If belittling makes you feel better.
I'm writing here to discuss. Therefore, if you keep going with this attitude which is more to provoke emotional response than to discuss, I will ignore you.
That said, for those who are here to discuss:
For Moses HAS BEEN preached, not WAS preached - if the gentiles believers, who were without the written and living word of God at that point in time, wanted to know more about God's requirements, they might learn at the synagogue. Today's believers, if they want to know, they may read the scripture.
The bondage in the context was circumcision, not the whole law because the law is good, verified by the psalmist and Paul and witnessed by many who love the law.
What verse 20 mentioned, is the criteria gentile believers have to abide in order to associate with the saints.
The scripture, yes the OT, is the living word of God and is still living.

Acts 15
4When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them. 5But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”

6The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. 7And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.

8And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.

10Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”

....

are you saying the Jews and their forefathers were not able to bear the yoke of circumcision?

 

[zone]

For all the comprehend. The old wine skins still hold good wine, but are fully expanded.

Luke 5
36And He was also telling them a parable: "No one tears a piece of cloth from a new garment and puts it on an old garment; otherwise he will both tear the new, and the piece from the new will not match the old. 37"And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled out, and the skins will be ruined. 38"But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Luke 5
36And He was also telling them a parable: "No one tears a piece of cloth from a new garment and puts it on an old garment; otherwise he will both tear the new, and the piece from the new will not match the old. 37"And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled out, and the skins will be ruined. 38"But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins

That is why Christ went to sinners with a conscience towards GOD rather than zealous law-keepers who were righteous in their own eyes.

 

[Hizikyah]

Luke 5
36And He was also telling them a parable: "No one tears a piece of cloth from a new garment and puts it on an old garment; otherwise he will both tear the new, and the piece from the new will not match the old. 37"And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled out, and the skins will be ruined. 38"But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins

That is about being dead to sin, once we have accepted Messiah we can no longer live in the ways we used to, we cant put our old lifestyle in our new lifestyle.

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

 

[zone]

That is why Christ went to sinners with a conscience towards GOD rather than zealous law-keepers who were righteous in their own eyes.

the piece from the new will not match the old.

 

[just-me]

That is about being dead to sin, once we have accepted Messiah we can no longer live in the ways we used to, we cant put our old lifestyle in our new lifestyle.

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

Very good point. The wine skins are not the same as the wine. Wine skins contain the wine. I have even heard some say that the old wine skins can't fit into the new skins. That statement is pretty bogus if you think about it. If the covenant is the skin, and the wine are the words of the covenant, and it is obvious that God's Word endures forever, as scripture says, the first container represents the incapability of man to live up to what the container holds. The new container holds the same stuff, in that Jesus has the capability to live up to the agreement between Him and His Father, unlike the rest of us.

 

[zone]

Very good point. The wine skins are not the same as the wine. Wine skins contain the wine. I have even heard some say that the old wine skins can't fit into the new skins. That statement is pretty bogus if you think about it. If the covenant is the skin, and the wine are the words of the covenant, and it is obvious that God's Word endures forever, as scripture says, the first container represents the incapability of man to live up to what the container holds. The new container holds the same stuff, in that Jesus has the capability to live up to the agreement between Him and His Father, unlike the rest of us.

the wineskins are very specifically those people Jesus was addressing.

the old wineskins could not receive the new wine without breaking.
it's really straightforward.

too much freedom to handle. look at the context.

the new wine was poured into new skins, and the new wine and the new skins were thereby preserved.
the prostitutes and the tax collectors were entering the kingdom before the Pharisees, who Jesus said were not entering.

 

[Hizikyah]

We that have died to the ways of the world how can we continue in sin?

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say, then? Should we go on sinning, so that mercy and pardon may abound? By no means! How can we, who have died to sin, live in it any longer?"

Romans 8:13, "For if you live according to the commandments of men, you will die; but if, through the Spirit, you put to
death; (put an end to), the evildoing of mankind, you will live."

Yahchanan (John) 5:14," Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you. "

 

[just-me]

the wineskins are very specifically those people Jesus was addressing.

the old wineskins could not receive the new wine without breaking.
it's really straightforward.

too much freedom to handle. look at the context.

the new wine was poured into new skins, and the new wine and the new skins were thereby preserved.
the prostitutes and the tax collectors were entering the kingdom before the Pharisees, who Jesus said were not entering.

Sorry, wine skins, or bottles in KJV are the promises/covenants. His Words are contained within them. The old agreement didn't work because of man's failures to hold up to the agreement that was made. Another way to look at it would be for a person to agree on what a lawyer had written, then then failed to follow through with the legal contract. It isn't the words/or wine that failed, or the containment of the words as a whole, it's the person who failed to live up to the agreement. The human race is neither the skins or the wine. Therefore the wine in the old skins still exist, but in order to complete that which was ordained from the beginning, new wine is made, and put into a different container for safe keeping. Both are safe to drink, but because of the new, we drink the old wine first.

Leviticus 26:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.

Song of Songs 7:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.

Galatians 3:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

1 John 2:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

The wine in the old wine skin is meant to be drunk because of the new wine