Were ALL living creatures killed in the flood?

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I have been visiting some Atheist sites trying to find out why they do not believe in God.Most of them say that the Bible contradicts itself,an example being that the Bible states when the flood came all living creatures were killed,but how could the sea-living creatures drown when they lived in water.Is there anything in the Bible about this?
 
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I have been visiting some Atheist sites trying to find out why they do not believe in God.Most of them say that the Bible contradicts itself,an example being that the Bible states when the flood came all living creatures were killed,but how could the sea-living creatures drown when they lived in water.Is there anything in the Bible about this?

well, you spend reading what the atheist says why don't you spend time reading what God says, stay away from evil

Jas 4:7Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Ge 6:7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Ge 7:21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

are the sea-living creatures on the face of the earth, are they creeping things, do they fly in the air.

you want to know what God says then read the Word of God , don't seek after what the atheist says. I don't mean to sound so sharp here, But i can have no compassion on people who come in here or state that cause something a non-believer says that the Bible must be wrong.


2ti 2:15Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 
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I never said the Bible was WRONG.I said I was interested in why atheists do not believe.How can you tell an atheist why he/she should believe if you don't have an answer to his questions?It sounds to me like you are a little closed-minded when it comes to people who don't believe.I'm glad I didn't visit this site while I was an atheist.
 
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I never said the Bible was WRONG.I said I was interested in why atheists do not believe.How can you tell an atheist why he/she should believe if you don't have an answer to his questions?It sounds to me like you are a little closed-minded when it comes to people who don't believe.I'm glad I didn't visit this site while I was an atheist.
Agreed, that was a really rude reply.
 
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thats a great question ..i picked up my bible KJV and read a little about it.. genesis chapter 7 :verses 21 -23

21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. . If u notice its quite clear to specify every living thing on dry land, or moved upon the earth. or on the ground, ... ...so apparently the fish etc. didnt all die .. hope it helps ..i certainly learned somethin today. :)

 
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I never said the Bible was WRONG.I said I was interested in why atheists do not believe.How can you tell an atheist why he/she should believe if you don't have an answer to his questions?It sounds to me like you are a little closed-minded when it comes to people who don't believe.I'm glad I didn't visit this site while I was an atheist.
But before in go into the camp of the enemy, you better be armed, with the right weapons if you plan on coming out alive, again you need to be studied up on the Word yourself. how are you going to help them if you can not defend your belief, I am not tying to belittle you here as you think , but prepare you for Ro 8:36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.Ro 8:37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
 
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I agree! Going into the camp of the enemy...namely any belief system that denies the truth of God's word...without solidly knowing what God's word says (comes from repeated study of Hs word) is nothing short of going to war without any amor or weapons! Why study what the enemy has if you don't even know what the Kingdom of God has? How could anyone make an educated choice? You enter into spiritual warfare comepletely naked!
God's word tells us that when we have His word written upon our hearts we WILL KNOW deception when we hear or see it.
There are many reason why people do not believe in God; rebellion, the sin of unbelief, bad teaching from parents or even from traditional churches or cults. But the bottom line is that they have not YET met the living Christ in a personal way....most don't know they CAN!
There is nothing specific about the ocean creatures written in the Bible. And truly, it is irrelevent. Whether or not they were somehow included on the Ark or not does not change anything else in the whole word of God. It simply does not matter. Please don't spend any time on this trick from Satan sent to distract you from the study of His word and the RELATIONSHIP that He desires to have with YOU.
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Well, I don't mean to be rude, but it did kinda pop into my head while I read this that the main argument for the bible contradicting itself would be "how did cain have children?" (that would be my choice) as Adam and Eve only had male children as I recal (cain & abel, and we all know what happened to abel) all this inspite of the fact that even if they did have a sister, having children w/ her would be entirely impossible b/c the human reproduction functions don't allow incest to go without reprecussion.
 
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I would present a different view. Stop thinking of someone who does not believe the exact same thing you do as "the enemy". I know I am much more willing to hear anyone's argument when they are not attacking me. When you go into any situation how you view the other person and how the other person views you plays a big role in the outcome.
Instead of trying to prove Noah got dolphins on the ark, which you cannot prove, nor can anyone else, why not take a different approach.... 'did you know every culture in the world has a flood story?' and do the research ahead of time, look into the old stories of the flood other than what is written in the Bible: they exist, just like the dinosours. The Bible is not the oldest existing text, it is not a historical book it is a religious book but there is historical foundation to back some of its claims and they are historically documented. Use them.
 
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The Deluge was localized, it was not universal. If you look at the KJV Genesis 7:4; the word "earth" is translated from the Hebrew word adamah. You can find this in 'Strong's Concordance' #127, the hebrew word most used for the earth is erets and there is a different meaning here and erets has a number of meanings that always must be considered in context, but the Scripture from which the KJV is translated uses the Hebrew word adamah:- soil (from its gen. redness):-country, earth, ground, husband {man} (-ry), land. The root word is actually "Adam".

We know from not only Bible chronology but geological surveys and ancient myth that the Deluge or the Flood all though very vast did not cover the entire world nor did it kill all lving beings on the Earth itself. And if we study what Genesis says the Bible confirms this by using a word that is taken to mean 'a land of red soil, country faming land, dry ground. the word adamah does not mean the entire formations of all the Earth itself, does not mean, seas, or mountains, or lakes, or swamplands or even forests or deserts! the word and considering the contexts means dry farming land, and even more specifically red soil! So the Word is very specific that it is defining a certain area of earth.

Again it is a deliberate mistranslation on the behalf of the KJV writers and that is why a student of the Bible needs to read several translations and be able to understand both Hebrew and Greek definitions, in this case the Greek is the same as the Hebrew, many English versions however for various reasons have mistranslated this word which has sown confusion.
 
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if it was only localized then why do Native American Indians have a flood story? and in my oppinion, the KJV of the Bible should never ever be used. It was afterall written to agree with the doctrine of the Church of England on the Kings command.
 
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if it was only localized then why do Native American Indians have a flood story? and in my oppinion, the KJV of the Bible should never ever be used. It was afterall written to agree with the doctrine of the Church of England on the Kings command.
Well I am using original scripture, you must understand that the Native Indians of North America were decendants of Adam, man has travelled far and wide accross the face of the earth bringing his history with him. As a side note the Adam means ruddy from the redness of the clay from which Adam was formed, all the physical makeup of our bodies can be found in the earth, and clay has a high water and mineral content just like our own bodies into which God breathed His spirit, life is in the Blood, life is given when blood first appears in the human embryo in the mother's womb, the blood does not come from the mother and neither does the male sperm contain any blood, the blood that gives us life comes from God.
 
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That the flood was localize is NOT proven. On the contrary, science leans towards the understanding that it was global. And even though the word 'earth' come from adamah:- soil , it makes perfect gramatical and logical sense. For....how could an ocean be flooded when it already is a massive body of water? Can water flood water? No. But it CAN flood the soil/land. Maggie
 
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COR - I believe the question asked here was and I am paraphrasing how to rationalize Noah's Ark n the flood story to those who DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD, not a question about the origin of man. I think I offered an answer that has historical and scientific merit in the world at large. It is not only fact it is easy to remember and eaisly palatable to the general population, no big words or conveluted diagrams. It does not take a dictionary, thesauras and countless concordenances to explain. It is an answer a ....I have no idea what the term is.... anyone who does not believe in god really cannot argue against. It is a fact. It is not a fact (outside of the christian community) that Native Americans are decendants of Adam.
 
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COR - I believe the question asked here was and I am paraphrasing how to rationalize Noah's Ark n the flood story to those who DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD, not a question about the origin of man. I think I offered an answer that has historical and scientific merit in the world at large. It is not only fact it is easy to remember and eaisly palatable to the general population, no big words or conveluted diagrams. It does not take a dictionary, thesauras and countless concordenances to explain. It is an answer a ....I have no idea what the term is.... anyone who does not believe in god really cannot argue against. It is a fact. It is not a fact (outside of the christian community) that Native Americans are decendants of Adam.
Read the Question that was put forward, then you can see how I have correctly answered it, the crux was 'how could sea creatures drown in a flood?' in context this is a question that an atheist might ask, what is the answer accoirding to God's Word? The answer is that Scripture states that the Flood occurred only on dry soil, specifically an area of red soil that was suitable for livestock and farming, it's quite specific and taking into account Bible Chronology and geological and scientific survey we find that the Bible is of course correct, it can also be noted that the flooding of this vast area of land that was flooded, and the exact area is disputed, but it is in Central Asia, would have lead to large increases in the volume of water in certain rivers and in land seas, and this is recorded and known as well, but beyond the scope of this post. I would add that the Flood is of vital importance to the origin of man and that is why people seeking God often ask this question, and I answered the question in accordance with scripture.
 
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been there, read that, can you show me exactly where it says the Native American Indian is a decendant of Adam. I even did a word search of the articles and could not find the word "Adam" once. I am actually trying to help here. What is your intention?
 
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UR right, she specifically asked about sea creatures. I did misinterpret the question. Mea Culpa.

But Hey - MCAP, my flood info is fact and it silences an argument. You should do research though and read the stories yourself. The oldest flood story is from Mesopotamia and revolves around a character called Gilgamesh, the American Indian Navajos have one of my favs.
 
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Well, I don't mean to be rude, but it did kinda pop into my head while I read this that the main argument for the bible contradicting itself would be "how did cain have children?" (that would be my choice) as Adam and Eve only had male children as I recal (cain & abel, and we all know what happened to abel) all this inspite of the fact that even if they did have a sister, having children w/ her would be entirely impossible b/c the human reproduction functions don't allow incest to go without reprecussion.
Ge 5:3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:Ge 5:4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
the sons were the only ones that got much attention in the Bible, they were a hundred and thirty years old, and all they had were three boys come on, the bible doesn't say but if the bible is true it would had to be brothers and sisters to start with, but there weren't any incest laws in those days.
 
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UR right, she specifically asked about sea creatures. I did misinterpret the question. Mea Culpa.

But Hey - MCAP, my flood info is fact and it silences an argument. You should do research though and read the stories yourself. The oldest flood story is from Mesopotamia and revolves around a character called Gilgamesh, the American Indian Navajos have one of my favs.
Stories displaying 'comparitive mythology' is evident because of their singular origin, we study ancient writings, stories, sagas and myths as supporting evidence of the truth of the Bible, they are versions of historical events, Holy Scripture has the fingerprints of God, it is the truth and in it's pure form is perfect truth, any other version of history is merely a version and thus liable to corruption and error.
 
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