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He may say this about himself, but I listened to many hours of his sermons and didn't hear any nonsense. I heard him constantly build men up in their faith. I just didn't hear that WOF that disgusts me like...I only drive Mercedes Benz' because that's what I asked for, or if you're sick it's your own fault. I really didn't hear it and believe me, I was looking for it. I heard some pretty solid teaching, in fact.
Yeah yeah. And yours is always right. Mine works yours does not.
- grace
- that which affords joy, pleasure, delight, sweetness, charm, loveliness: grace of speech
- good will, loving-kindness, favour
- of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues
- what is due to grace
- the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine grace
- the token or proof of grace, benefit
- a gift of grace
- benefit, bounty
- thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward
Is there anything about you that is Christian? Really? You judge, criticize, snipe, insult, and belittle people all the time. Oh Sorry. You do it in love......Ain't that sweet? You call yourself a nice Christian but you're not. I have never said I was nice. For good reason. I'm not, but I am honest. Unlike you.
if people say things that they believe are said in Grace from their hearts to others, who are we to
take this away from them? and if they are wrong, then who are we but to wait until they come
to Jesus' reality, after all, we are all on our own individual journey, 'always separate' and waiting
for our Father's guidance/approval? which will eventually come to us, if we truly Love Him?
His patience is beyond belief, and is only one of our 'hopes/desires' to become like Him...
take this away from them? and if they are wrong, then who are we but to wait until they come
to Jesus' reality, after all, we are all on our own individual journey, 'always separate' and waiting
for our Father's guidance/approval? which will eventually come to us, if we truly Love Him?
His patience is beyond belief, and is only one of our 'hopes/desires' to become like Him...
You are misreading my post. I said I just did a study on Isaiah 53. None of that post is from the book. Actually I haven't got past about 4 pages since it's so rich with the Word and I'm checking most of the scriptures.
The study or the scriptures and looking at concordances plus the roots of the Hebrew words that these definitions come from, will release us from lies of the enemy. Not the book.
I said there's not one sin that isn't covered when looking at the definitions of the words of Isaiah 53: 3-5. And as I said...look for yourself Rose. Of course blasphemy of Holy Spirit isn't forgiven but my personal thought it that very few commit this sin.
~Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit
Mat 12:22 Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and unable to talk was brought to him. Jesus healed him so that the man could speak and see.
Mat 12:23 All the crowds were amazed and kept saying, "This man isn't the Son of David, is he?"
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man drives out demons only by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons."
Mat 12:25 He knew what they were thinking and told them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is destroyed, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
Mat 12:26 So if Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How, then, can his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 If I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your own followers drive them out? That is why they will be your judges!
Mat 12:28 But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.
Mat 12:29 How can someone go into a strong man's house and carry off his possessions without first tying up the strong man? Then he can ransack his house.
Mat 12:30 "The person who isn't with me is against me, and the person who isn't gathering with me is scattering.
Mat 12:31 So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come."
This is what Jesus says is blasphemy of Holy Spirit.
I realize that you don't believe healing is included in the atonement, but the concordances say otherwise.
Unbelief is disobedience to the gospel message and is a great affront to Father. But, one can repent and believe at any time.
The study or the scriptures and looking at concordances plus the roots of the Hebrew words that these definitions come from, will release us from lies of the enemy. Not the book.
I said there's not one sin that isn't covered when looking at the definitions of the words of Isaiah 53: 3-5. And as I said...look for yourself Rose. Of course blasphemy of Holy Spirit isn't forgiven but my personal thought it that very few commit this sin.
~Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit
Mat 12:22 Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and unable to talk was brought to him. Jesus healed him so that the man could speak and see.
Mat 12:23 All the crowds were amazed and kept saying, "This man isn't the Son of David, is he?"
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man drives out demons only by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons."
Mat 12:25 He knew what they were thinking and told them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is destroyed, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
Mat 12:26 So if Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How, then, can his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 If I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your own followers drive them out? That is why they will be your judges!
Mat 12:28 But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.
Mat 12:29 How can someone go into a strong man's house and carry off his possessions without first tying up the strong man? Then he can ransack his house.
Mat 12:30 "The person who isn't with me is against me, and the person who isn't gathering with me is scattering.
Mat 12:31 So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come."
This is what Jesus says is blasphemy of Holy Spirit.
I realize that you don't believe healing is included in the atonement, but the concordances say otherwise.
Unbelief is disobedience to the gospel message and is a great affront to Father. But, one can repent and believe at any time.
To add to what you are saying and what I see as very important for us Christians to know.... God does not tempt us with evil or better said "Test" us with evil. God doesn't send us sickness and death, confusion., pride., anger., weakness etc.. to test us or to teach us a lesson. We have the Holy Spirit and the Word to do that. The world, the flesh and the devil cause evil and because we live in a fallen world send those evil things our way because we are here on planet earth.
But God takes the things that are meant for evil in the world to work out for our good in spite of the obvious mess and confusion of sin and it's effects. By faith., we learn to walk through each of these earthly issues and claim the promises as we go. We learn as we go how these things have been overcome by Jesus as we learn to walk in faith. And I'm also finding out this year in this process., He uses His church of other believers here who have certain gifts to minister to us and we take our gifts and minister to them.
Not quite sure how the just can live in disobedience without a good whap somewhere along the line. 
Chastisement I mean and joking.
Chastisement I mean and joking.
I came here to this forum and almost immediately I got sucked into this mire of disobedience too, like most of the people here. People....Please accept my apology for debating the Word. Its wrong of us and it's wrong of me to debate Gods Word. I'm sorry for that.
I can get with that!
However, if you consider Job, He allowed satan (gave His permission) to bring some pretty hard things to Job. But it was to BLESS Job. One of those things was a sickness.
And also consider the verse: satan has asked permission to sift you like wheat. After you have returned...
1. Satan has to ask permission and, in Job, each time God is very detailed about exactly what he may do and what he may not.
2. It will end in our great good and blessing.
However, if you consider Job, He allowed satan (gave His permission) to bring some pretty hard things to Job. But it was to BLESS Job. One of those things was a sickness.
And also consider the verse: satan has asked permission to sift you like wheat. After you have returned...
1. Satan has to ask permission and, in Job, each time God is very detailed about exactly what he may do and what he may not.
2. It will end in our great good and blessing.
One of the things I have learned not to get into with or about this devotional is making it about the author and maybe other things he may or may not believe. Because for sure many here already do and in so doing., dismiss all that is being said about the subjects I wanted to discuss in the first place. I wondered about posting his website and all but thought it would make it about the man again and I don't want to do that. The messages are there on youtube for all to see as well as visiting a website.
There is quite a diversity of ideas when it comes to what word of faith is all about. And in many cases I would count myself to be partly agreeing with some word of faith teachings thus (to some people), this makes me a word of faith Christian. It doesn't matter that I've already stated over and over about my not being of the praying for a million dollar thing., or the; your in sin that's why your not healed thing., or the name and claim the Mercedes in the driveway tonight see it in the morning tomorrow thing., None of that matters to those who want to insist I'm of that kind of word of faith Christian belief system.
It doesn't matter what I say to those who want to appose me regardless of what I really am. So what should I do in light of that? What do I do in light of that in my daily life in real time apart from CC...? I go about my business regardless of the misjudgment and wrong interpretation of what others say about me. That is what we all have to do in life.
So stunnedbygrace., your ability to see the obvious is appreciated. And it also allows the unfolding of discussion and for each of us to answer the questions with the verses and the understanding we have so we can learn from the Bible and each other and not appose each other here as believers. Also, getting back to the topic of those 'verses in tension' you brought up. Will get back on topic with that as I go get my coffee. Working nights and then being home I've found has reversed a day in trasition so now I'm up at midnight as if it's the morning.
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Yes, just like the whole 'you're a Baptist thing' people can put us each in categories and dismiss us as being of Westborough Baptist kind so everything we say is colored by the name of Westborough so nothing we say can redeem us if the name of Baptist is attached to us. Very well put SBG.
There are so many Baptist beliefs we all hold to and they are good and solid Biblically but not of the Westborough kind that find it to be of importance to "teach" others a lesson by tormenting them at their children's funerals among other things. Those people may have some doctrine down right but their love and the working knowledge of God's love is not leading them. Many Christians are in Bible believing churches who have many of the doctrines down but no ability to love others as Christ loves. They actually believe they are "loving" people by telling them the "truth" that they believe God is judging them for their sin so in order for the "truth" to be seen, they must condemn sin in all it's forms. Even if people are hurt. GACK
We know that God doesn't zap the children of people but there are some here who actually might. Many believe God is causing tsunamis to kill people as His judgment call on whole nations. I don't believe that at all because I know the world is not the way it was meant to be because of sin. God sent His Son because He so loved the world to rescue man kind so we are not under God's judgment yet. But it will fall later at the end of the age. But that is a whole nother topic.
But I do realize there are some here on CC who actually do believe God is judging the world right now. I do not. His judgment is coming for sure but now we live in a sinful world with stuff that happens because of the fall of mankind. The world is groaning even until the sons of God are all revealed. The Gospel is going out all over the world and people are being saved by grace through faith. While it's a horrible time to be living in it is also amazing times because His grace is being displayed as Jesus is being preached and people are getting saved.
I just really love talking with you, JM!
I don't agree that tsunamis happen because we live in a fallen world. At least I don't think I do...at any rate, I don't believe a tsunami will hit me if it isn't my time and if it isn't the way God has planned for me to die.
I believe He has command over the waves. Don't know where this verse is:This far will you come and here your proud waves will stop. And, the disciples were amazed when they saw Him calm the storm and the waves.
But I do believe the earth is wearing out like an old garment. Old garments get holes (sinkholes) and they fray and rip at the seams (like the tectonic plates). So...still thinking on this.
I don't agree that tsunamis happen because we live in a fallen world. At least I don't think I do...at any rate, I don't believe a tsunami will hit me if it isn't my time and if it isn't the way God has planned for me to die.
I believe He has command over the waves. Don't know where this verse is:This far will you come and here your proud waves will stop. And, the disciples were amazed when they saw Him calm the storm and the waves.
But I do believe the earth is wearing out like an old garment. Old garments get holes (sinkholes) and they fray and rip at the seams (like the tectonic plates). So...still thinking on this.
I just really love talking with you, JM!
I don't agree that tsunamis happen because we live in a fallen world. At least I don't think I do...at any rate, I don't believe a tsunami will hit me if it isn't my time and if it isn't the way God has planned for me to die.
I believe He has command over the waves. Don't know where this verse is:This far will you come and here your proud waves will stop. And, the disciples were amazed when they saw Him calm the storm and the waves.
But I do believe the earth is wearing out like an old garment. Old garments get holes (sinkholes) and they fray and rip at the seams (like the tectonic plates). So...still thinking on this.
I don't agree that tsunamis happen because we live in a fallen world. At least I don't think I do...at any rate, I don't believe a tsunami will hit me if it isn't my time and if it isn't the way God has planned for me to die.
I believe He has command over the waves. Don't know where this verse is:This far will you come and here your proud waves will stop. And, the disciples were amazed when they saw Him calm the storm and the waves.
But I do believe the earth is wearing out like an old garment. Old garments get holes (sinkholes) and they fray and rip at the seams (like the tectonic plates). So...still thinking on this.
There IS precedent for God causing a tsunami because of judgement, or at least it seems like the red sea was a tsunami that rose up but then stood still for a time.