what does god want?

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Renee49

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I am a new christian, when I came into the church communtiy I was under huge pressure and I was looking for a path of reassurance and happiness.
I have notice that alot of my stress and conflict is around money. I am fighting a law suite over a commercial property. I am fighting about money with my husband (I want him to be the major bread winner) I am not sure he will ever be good with money or figuring things out.
So yesterday in church the sermon was about how we are programmed from birth, to be successful, to climb higher and higher. but what god wants is for us to be demoted, to go downward. This is a message that has been hitting often and form differnet angles. I guess I really don't understand it......for eg. am I supposed to give up my fight in the legal battle (?) I really do not feel that they are the ones who are right, I think they are ruthless business men who had a plan to take advantage of me. (?) when it comes to my husband, I just don't think he has what it takes to be an entrepenuer. but what do I really know. I am just supposed to love him an support him be happy as my life savings get used up. Because supposedly god wants me to go downward, to be beneith (?)
the pastor refered to PH:2 1-11 for this message.
Please if you could help me feel more settled with this topic, I would appreciate the input.
renee
 
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tryingtofindhim

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1. you will never find true happiness 100% of the time, but you can find peace through God.
About the legal battle, it's not a good idea to ask people, instead, you should seeking God for an answer
God doesn't wish for you to go downward. I think you need to be patient and wait on him and rest in him.
I'm afraid your pastor was wrong about wanting you to go downward. He came to give us life and more abundantly. Going downward is not an abundant life.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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I am a new christian, when I came into the church communtiy I was under huge pressure and I was looking for a path of reassurance and happiness.
I have notice that alot of my stress and conflict is around money. I am fighting a law suite over a commercial property. I am fighting about money with my husband (I want him to be the major bread winner) I am not sure he will ever be good with money or figuring things out.
So yesterday in church the sermon was about how we are programmed from birth, to be successful, to climb higher and higher. but what god wants is for us to be demoted, to go downward. This is a message that has been hitting often and form differnet angles. I guess I really don't understand it......for eg. am I supposed to give up my fight in the legal battle (?) I really do not feel that they are the ones who are right, I think they are ruthless business men who had a plan to take advantage of me. (?) when it comes to my husband, I just don't think he has what it takes to be an entrepenuer. but what do I really know. I am just supposed to love him an support him be happy as my life savings get used up. Because supposedly god wants me to go downward, to be beneith (?)
the pastor refered to PH:2 1-11 for this message.
Please if you could help me feel more settled with this topic, I would appreciate the input.
renee
If I understand the sermon correctly, it is about attitude. To pursue the lawsuit because of a belief in justice is good. To seek redress for financial wrong is good and Biblical. If you push the lawsuit from pride or greed, then it is wrong. Your husband is more tricky. There is nothing about how much more your earnings are then his that has anything to do with him being the spiritual leader he is suppose to be. If he is irresponsible or lazy, that is another matter. If he is willing to let you help and you can do so humbly then great. The key is attitude. If he is captive by pride, that is a problem. In the OT and NT, the bride's dowry was hers, a guarentee in the case of early widowhood or abandonment. There may be some equivilency here. The woman of Proverbs made her money and used it on the household. So, there are both sides and you need to approach it carefully and humbly. Is there perhaps a wise friend who could influence him?
 
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greatkraw

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great post charis - I just got told I have to spread some rep around, so you miss out:)
 
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charisenexcelcis

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We could do a quid pro quo thing, but I'd rather rep you because even when you are wrong, you are intellectually honest. So, the next time you say something profound...
 

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Well, as far as being sued goes, what to do in that regard is mentioned in matthew 5, the sermon on the mount. The sermon on the mount can be very hard to live up to I admit, I suggest you pray for understanding and courage to follow in that matter. As for the husband thing goes, does fighting help? Are you worried about being able to keep a certain lifestyle or having food on the table? Is he a christian? Biblically wives are suppose to submit to their husbands as unto the Lord, also a very hard thing to live up to I imagine. It doesn't qualify that statement with the husband needing to deserve that respect or not for it to be given. I will appeal to common sense this way though. Are you stronger than God? I'll assume your answer is no. So then if you believe he is going in the wrong direction on something is it better for you to fight with him or to turn it over to God to handle? We ourselves can't change people, but God is good at that kinda thing. If he is not a believer then I would reccomend the bibles teaching that you should commit yourself to godliness, that he may be won without a word. That would involve alot of grace(unmerited favor), just so you know.
 
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greatkraw

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We could do a quid pro quo thing, but I'd rather rep you because even when you are wrong, you are intellectually honest. So, the next time you say something profound...

MOI???????????????????????? (does this count?)
 
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Perhaps I see two issues here. First, there is the matter of the lawsuit. Second is the matter of your husband’s ability to make money.

On the first issue, I do not know the circumstances around the lawsuit, but I don’t know why you should back down, unless you decide you are not in the right or it’s simply not worth proceeding.

As for your husband’s ability to make money, as long as your husband isn’t lazy, I wouldn’t worry about it.
 
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songster

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I am a new christian, when I came into the church communtiy I was under huge pressure and I was looking for a path of reassurance and happiness.
I have notice that alot of my stress and conflict is around money. I am fighting a law suite over a commercial property. I am fighting about money with my husband (I want him to be the major bread winner) I am not sure he will ever be good with money or figuring things out.
So yesterday in church the sermon was about how we are programmed from birth, to be successful, to climb higher and higher. but what god wants is for us to be demoted, to go downward. This is a message that has been hitting often and form differnet angles. I guess I really don't understand it......for eg. am I supposed to give up my fight in the legal battle (?) I really do not feel that they are the ones who are right, I think they are ruthless business men who had a plan to take advantage of me. (?) when it comes to my husband, I just don't think he has what it takes to be an entrepenuer. but what do I really know. I am just supposed to love him an support him be happy as my life savings get used up. Because supposedly god wants me to go downward, to be beneith (?)
the pastor refered to PH:2 1-11 for this message.
Please if you could help me feel more settled with this topic, I would appreciate the input.
renee
Hi Renee,

Many who support the idea that God desires for us to be prosperous, 'the head and not the tail, above and not beneath', (Deuteronomy 28:13), often overlook the fact that God is referring to an all encompassing type of prosperity which is to affect every area of our lives, the major areas being, Provision, Protection, and Authority.

In your search for good counsel and advice, I think it is also important that you become aware of what the Holy Spirit is speaking to you directly. When certain messages seem to be repeated to us, and seem to touch us in a certain way, often God is speaking to our hearts. Where there is a law suit, there is a motive, if the motive is retaliation, then we are offended, and it is difficult to walk in love when there is an offense. Where there is financial hardship there must be an evaluation of where we have placed our trust, a message that is written on every U.S. dollar.

Many have a firm grasp of the idea of God's Provision, the idea of receiving, or being blessed, but not all have understood the fruitfulness of giving or sowing. I firmly believe in Tithing, but this is something that generates resistance and debate, and so I mention it, but will not contend with other believers on the subject. Each one does what is right in their own eyes.

With regard to Protection, there is a common question often asked, 'Why do bad things happen to good people'. Psalm 91 Says, 'He who dwells in the secret place of the most high, will abide under the shadow of the almighty. This means that if we seek the protection of God, we have to dwell in His presence, through maintaining a prayerful and repentant lifestyle, allowing Him to be our refuge and defense.

With regard to Authority, one of the more difficult lessons to learn, is not, how we use our God given authority over the enemy, but rather, how to submit to the authority of a Pastor, a Husband, or an Employer. Submitting means to reliquish control. This is not an easy thing to do, for someone with a broad skill set, or an ability to perceive incompetence around them, but as has already been mentioned, some matters should be submitted to God, at least until we receive wisdom, from the Holy Spirit, about how to proceed.

I believe strongly in listening for the still small voice inside, which many times, speaks to me in the form of a seemingly abstract thought which isn't consistent with my present frame of mind, but I am also aware that there are times when I have made up my mind about something, and in those times, my voice is the only one I hear.
 
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