What Does It Mean To "Fall From Grace"?

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Many Believers always post what to do. But how to do the what to do they speak of, they don't know how. Where are the teachers?
 
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falling from God's/Jesus' Grace', simply means that you have had a change of heart,
and decided that 'you prefer your own ways before His'...
 

Nehemiah6

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Many Believers always post what to do. But how to do the what to do they speak of, they don't know how. Where are the teachers?
In the context of this thread, "doing" to be justified is excluded, but believing is not. So there is no "doing" involved.

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?... Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Had Paul used the word "departed" instead of "fallen" it would have been very clear as to what he is saying. The Galatians had heard the Gospel of grace -- that sinners are justified by grace through faith PLUS NOTHING. Along came the Judaizers and said, "No that is not enough. Unless you obey the Law of Moses (which includes circumcision) you cannot be saved". So this is what Paul was addressing. We already know that no sinner could be justified by the works of the Law. But if people went back to Torah observance after having heard the Gospel of grace, they had "departed" or "fallen" from grace, and for them salvaton would become a "reward" rather than a gift of God's grace.

This does not mean that good works or works of the Law are condemned. What it does mean is that they are totally useless in order to be justified. Furthermore, the Old Covenant and its ceremonial observances (including circumcision) have been rendered null and void by the New Covenant. The moral and spiritual Law (the Ten Commandments) cannot become null and void.
 
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Yes, it is old. That's why I try to lay hold of the tension and resolve it instead of being dogmatic about only one half of the truth hoping that if I hold out the longest and get the nastiest that I'll win.


Do me a favor. Read Deuteronomy 31 where the "I will never leave you or forsake you" comes from and see the whole truth about it that the church doesn't know about. You will see that the tension concerning that verse will disappear when you read the whole passage it comes from.

If the church knew the whole truth about it they would know it's hardly a 'once saved always saved' proof text. There are better one's to use to try to defend 'once saved always saved'. But 'I will never leave you or forsake you' is not even close to proving once saved always saved. In fact, it better proves the opposite. Check it out. You'll see.

:)I wonder why people don't just harmonize seemingly opposing scriptures and get an understanding so error Is avoided.
 
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In the context of this thread, "doing" to be justified is excluded, but believing is not. So there is no "doing" involved.

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?... Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Had Paul used the word "departed" instead of "fallen" it would have been very clear as to what he is saying. The Galatians had heard the Gospel of grace -- that sinners are justified by grace through faith PLUS NOTHING. Along came the Judaizers and said, "No that is not enough. Unless you obey the Law of Moses (which includes circumcision) you cannot be saved". So this is what Paul was addressing. We already know that no sinner could be justified by the works of the Law. But if people went back to Torah observance after having heard the Gospel of grace, they had "departed" or "fallen" from grace, and for them salvaton would become a "reward" rather than a gift of God's grace.

This does not mean that good works or works of the Law are condemned. What it does mean is that they are totally useless in order to be justified. Furthermore, the Old Covenant and its ceremonial observances (including circumcision) have been rendered null and void by the New Covenant. The moral and spiritual Law (the Ten Commandments) cannot become null and void.

Not understanding "The Law of God (Rom. 7:22)," i.e., how God works, is the main reason why Believers fall from Grace.