What is Biblical suffering for Messiah/Christ and what is not?

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mcubed

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What is suffering for Messiah/Christ.... Does it include abuse? If it does is it man's definition of abuse (he/she called me stupid... (could not resist the pun))...

In ALL SERIOUSNESS... What is Biblical suffering for Messiah/Christ and what is not?
 

shrume

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I think it can be almost anything, from being called "stupid" or "naive" for believing 2000 year old "myths", to discrimination against you because of your faith, to physical abuse, to death (martyrdom).
 

Nehemiah6

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In ALL SERIOUSNESS... What is Biblical suffering for Messiah/Christ and what is not?
Suffering fools gladly. :LOL:

In all seriousness, persecution for the sake of the Gospel, for being a Christian, for righteousness sake, and for speaking God's truth is suffering for Christ.
 

mcubed

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Suffering fools gladly. :LOL:

In all seriousness, persecution for the sake of the Gospel, for being a Christian, for righteousness sake, and for speaking God's truth is suffering for Christ.
I agree with you 100%! So is women/ men abused by their spouse not Biblical?...
 

mcubed

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I think it can be almost anything, from being called "stupid" or "naive" for believing 2000 year old "myths", to discrimination against you because of your faith, to physical abuse, to death (martyrdom).

That is funny....

In America I get that.... We are such "sintive" people... But there is real hardcore suffering if you live in an Islamic or Communist country... But something being said about you that "hurts" your feelings is that really suffering or just "the new American"...
 

OneFaith

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What is suffering for Messiah/Christ.... Does it include abuse? If it does is it man's definition of abuse (he/she called me stupid... (could not resist the pun))...

In ALL SERIOUSNESS... What is Biblical suffering for Messiah/Christ and what is not?
Anything that you suffer because you are a Christian. If you throw a rock up in the air, and it lands on your head, that is not biblical suffering. "Blessed are you when men falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me, for great is your reward in heaven."
 
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Ralph-

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In ALL SERIOUSNESS... What is Biblical suffering for Messiah/Christ...
Suffering for doing right:

"20...if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. "-1 Peter 2:20-21


...and what is not?
Suffering for doing wrong:

"15If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler."-1 Peter 4:15

"20But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it?"-1 Peter 2:20


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shrume

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That is funny....

In America I get that.... We are such "sintive" people... But there is real hardcore suffering if you live in an Islamic or Communist country... But something being said about you that "hurts" your feelings is that really suffering or just "the new American"...
We are fortunate to live in a country that still allows free speech and freedom of religion. I hope it stays that way. I am fully aware there are Christians living in countries that undergo severe persecution, even death, for their Christian faith. Suffering for Christ for us is nothing compared to suffering for Christ for them.
 
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Ralph-

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...something being said about you that "hurts" your feelings is that really suffering or just "the new American"...
It's definitely an American thing. It's the spirit of offense. It's the defining mark of the Christian it seems.
 
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Ralph-

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I agree with you 100%! So is women/ men abused by their spouse not Biblical?...
Why a person is being abused by their spouse determines if it is Biblical/godly suffering.
 

mcubed

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Why a person is being abused by their spouse determines if it is Biblical/godly suffering.
Got ya... What kind of "abuse" is just "suffering"...? Is it mental or physical? When or how does either one go beyond the scope of "Biblical"? For fun let's squeeze emotional in there too.... Is it Biblically correct to be abused and call it suffering for Messiah/Christ?
 
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Ralph-

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Got ya... What kind of "abuse" is just "suffering"...? Is it mental or physical? When or how does either one go beyond the scope of "Biblical"? For fun let's squeeze emotional in there too.... Is it Biblically correct to be abused and call it suffering for Messiah/Christ?
If a believer is suffering mental, physical, or emotional abuse because they are a Christian, or because God is using it to teach that believer discipline then it is suffering for Christ.
 

mcubed

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If a believer is suffering mental, physical, or emotional abuse because they are a Christian, or because God is using it to teach that believer discipline then it is suffering for Christ.

I really do LOVE your answer... But that makes me think deeper... that is what I LOVE!!!! questions, leading to answers and more questions for deeper thought!!!

Does G-d make us suffer for Him?
 
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Ralph-

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I really do LOVE your answer... But that makes me think deeper... that is what I LOVE!!!! questions, leading to answers and more questions for deeper thought!!!

Does G-d make us suffer for Him?
Without a doubt. Peter even said 'to this you were called". We have the same ministry of suffering for the ungodly that Jesus had:

"if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. "-1 Peter 2:20-21

19So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good."-1 Peter 4:19

Just as Christ bore our sins in his suffering so we could be healed so we also bear the sins of ungodly people so they can be healed. It's the part about being a Christian nobody likes to talk about......or do.
 

Nehemiah6

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I agree with you 100%! So is women/ men abused by their spouse not Biblical?...
Abuse by one person against any another person is a sin.
 

JaumeJ

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In the event no one has already reminded all , it is written it is better to suffer in the eyes of man for having done what is right than to suffer in the eyes of our Father for doing what is wrong........this is holy suffering........no hypocrisy.