What is the basis of our faith?

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BenFTW

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How can we have faith in God for something, if we do not know His will in the matter? On what basis can we have faith in God, be it for deliverance, protection, providence, healing, or any blessing? His will by necessity must be revealed in order to have faith. Without His will we are left with hope. How does faith come to be, if it is an expectation, a believing of something as having been done, if we do not understand God's will?

Fellow Christians will say that healing is not guaranteed, that we must know the will and purposes of God (first and foremost). I would ask, sincerely, how anyone can have faith to be healed of God if they are in ignorance to His will, then? What is there to have faith in? If healing is not guaranteed, a promise, then on what basis can a person have faith for it? Are we to conclude then that it is presumptive to have faith to be healed?

Should we then not expect of God to heal us? And for those that do, are they laying before God a request He has never agreed to fulfill? A prayer that is not of faith, conclusively, because it doesn't know His will. Rather it is a request willing to accept no as its answer. How then does a person utilize faith? How does the prayer of faith save the sick(James 5:15) if faith ceases to exist at ignorance to the will of God?

If we believe that healing is not guaranteed, we omit faith. Its very simple. Ironically to state that we must know the will of God in respect to one's own sickness and healing is to state the same thing that the others proclaim as it being God's will to heal. That being, in both cases both parties agree that knowing God's will is the key to its reception.

The difference is that those who do not believe healing is a guarantee, that it is presumptive to have faith to be healed (consequentially, and by nature of the doctrine), have actually placed a noose around the neck of faith, taking its last breath. As the premise is, to not know God's will is to eliminate faith; for what is there to have faith in if God has not made it His word (of which He is faithful to)? What can the sick have faith in, in order to be healed, if they have nothing to take hold of?

They are left, with such a doctrine, with an ever elusive seeking of the will of God, and instead of reaching forth for Jesus' garment they must first ask, "Lord, may I touch your garment?" Respectable, but notice in the story of the woman who believed that touching Jesus' garment would heal her, she didn't ask because she already knew. He had set the precedence. He is the Messiah. As such she was made whole, in accordance with her faith and in knowing His will (it was who He revealed Himself to be, healing all that were sick).

You see, the basis of our faith is God. Our faith is a response to who He is, and who He claims to be. When we understand His heart, His character, His nature, and His promises we respond in faith because He is not a liar (and shows Himself to be faithful). This is why healing must be a promise, if not in word alone, in the character and nature of God (Jehovah Rapha). It is for this reason that we may have faith, because we know His will that is revealed both in Word, and in His nature.

I wish you all the best.
 

blue_ladybug

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Wassup with all these healing threads? Seriously..
 

Noose

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Matt 6:7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.9“This, then, is how you should pray:“ ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,[SUP]a[/SUP]
but deliver us from the evil one.[SUP]b[/SUP]
 

BenFTW

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Matt 6:7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.9“This, then, is how you should pray:“ ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,[SUP]a[/SUP]
but deliver us from the evil one.[SUP]b[/SUP]
If His will is already revealed, then we may have faith towards its obtainment.
 

garee

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Hearing God not seen is the foundation of Christian faith.
 

Noose

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If His will is already revealed, then we may have faith towards its obtainment.
His will is not revealed- it's not for us to know what the Father has set with His knowledge. Faith is in part acknowledging that the will of God is and will always be.
Even Jesus used to say "..Father, if it be your will, let this cup pass from me..." then later He said "..it is the will of the Father that i drink this cup..." Shows that we need to accept the will as it is.
 

garee

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Wassup with all these healing threads? Seriously..
Its the foundation for walking by sight requiring a temporal healing before men believe as a sign. Scripture inform us signs are for those who rebel, prophecy the unseen eternal for those who believe by exercising the faith that comes from hearing God as anchor to their souls. It provides a eternal healing.

The Jews required a sign before they would believe, they stumbled over the cross as if it was not there
 

BenFTW

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This is a serious objection to those preaching that God doesn't promise healing to the believer. Consider it. I go back again to the woman with the issue of blood (Luke 8:43-48).

The woman who touched Jesus' garment, if she had believed the doctrines that reject healing in the atonement or even simply a promise of God, she wouldn't have been an example for all to see. She wouldn't have gone out in faith and reached forth. She would've been stopped in her tracks, because she didn't, according to the pervasive doctrine, know His will in respect to her illness. Maybe God wanted her sick? Maybe God was teaching her a lesson?

This isn't what we see in the stories, the testimonies, of people who call out to God in faith. We see people believing that He is able, and willing. That He has the power to inflict change, for the better. They believe in the goodness of God, in His mercy, kindness, and generosity. In His grace.

If people throughout history were under the doctrine that we must first seek God's will about our sickness, they could've never had faith for their healing in the first place. They would have to seek the Lord, and then if He says He will heal them, they could believe (or not). Yet countless times we see people expecting of God healing, deliverance, and providence and He comes through. They believed this of the Lord. Are we to conclude that they were lucky, because it just so happens that their desire also happened to be His will?

Let us go back, again, to the woman with the issue of blood. Jesus didn't even know who had touched Him (Luke 8:46), and yet this person had the faith to be healed simply by believing if she touched His garment she would be made whole. Was she lucky that it was God's will to heal her, or did she understand who Jesus was, who he presented Himself to be, and believed (that being, the Messiah and healing all that were sick)? His will already being revealed through the precedence set, she could have faith (and not go up to him and ask Him His will about her sickness).

See now, we put a stumbling block before the sick if we declare that God doesn't promise healing. Or that it hasn't been made available through Christ's suffering. They have nothing to have faith in, at the get go. Which isn't what we see in scripture. We see people believing and having faith, presumptive if indeed we must first seek God's will in regards to our sickness. How audacious! To expect God to heal them!? Yet what does the Lord say to these people?

"Your faith has made thee whole." He, according to scripture, is pleased by faith. Indeed, it is impossible to please Him otherwise. So then, expect of God His favor, His goodness, protection and providence. This pleases Him when you see Him as your source and provider. Have faith and know His will which is revealed through Jesus Christ, and in all the Bible. He is faithful, believe.

God bless you, heal you, restore you, and give you strength in the name of Jesus.
 

LPT

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healing is a gift from God given for His reasons and His reasons only.
 

BenFTW

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This is a serious objection to those preaching that God doesn't promise healing to the believer. Consider it. I go back again to the woman with the issue of blood (Luke 8:43-48).

The woman who touched Jesus' garment, if she had believed the doctrines that reject healing in the atonement or even simply a promise of God, she wouldn't have been an example for all to see. She wouldn't have gone out in faith and reached forth. She would've been stopped in her tracks, because she didn't, according to the pervasive doctrine, know His will in respect to her illness. Maybe God wanted her sick? Maybe God was teaching her a lesson?

This isn't what we see in the stories, the testimonies, of people who call out to God in faith. We see people believing that He is able, and willing. That He has the power to inflict change, for the better. They believe in the goodness of God, in His mercy, kindness, and generosity. In His grace.

If people throughout history were under the doctrine that we must first seek God's will about our sickness, they could've never had faith for their healing in the first place. They would have to seek the Lord, and then if He says He will heal them, they could believe (or not). Yet countless times we see people expecting of God healing, deliverance, and providence and He comes through. They believed this of the Lord. Are we to conclude that they were lucky, because it just so happens that their desire also happened to be His will?

Let us go back, again, to the woman with the issue of blood. Jesus didn't even know who had touched Him (Luke 8:46), and yet this person had the faith to be healed simply by believing if she touched His garment she would be made whole. Was she lucky that it was God's will to heal her, or did she understand who Jesus was, who he presented Himself to be, and believed (that being, the Messiah and healing all that were sick)? His will already being revealed through the precedence set, she could have faith (and not go up to him and ask Him His will about her sickness).

See now, we put a stumbling block before the sick if we declare that God doesn't promise healing. Or that it hasn't been made available through Christ's suffering. They have nothing to have faith in, at the get go. Which isn't what we see in scripture. We see people believing and having faith, presumptive if indeed we must first seek God's will in regards to our sickness. How audacious! To expect God to heal them!? Yet what does the Lord say to these people?

"Your faith has made thee whole." He, according to scripture, is pleased by faith. Indeed, it is impossible to please Him otherwise. So then, expect of God His favor, His goodness, protection and providence. This pleases Him when you see Him as your source and provider. Have faith and know His will which is revealed through Jesus Christ, and in all the Bible. He is faithful, believe.

God bless you, heal you, restore you, and give you strength in the name of Jesus.
Sidenote, I understand that the woman with the issue of blood couldn't have believed in healing through the atonement because it was yet to happen, but is an allegory to current day people having a point of faith available to them. Just as she had faith in the Messiah, so too can you retroactively.
 

BenFTW

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healing is a gift from God given for His reasons and His reasons only.
There is not one who came to the Lord in faith for healing of which He denied them recorded in scripture. Had God wanted to make it a point that healing is not made available through Christ He would've made an example onto us. His reasons for healing, just as with the lame man at the gate named Beautiful (when the apostle Peter told him to "rise up and walk") is to glorify the Son, in the name of Jesus.
 

LPT

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There is not one who came to the Lord in faith for healing of which He denied them recorded in scripture. Had God wanted to make it a point that healing is not made available through Christ He would've made an example onto us. His reasons for healing, just as with the lame man at the gate named Beautiful (when the apostle Peter told him to "rise up and walk") is to glorify the Son, in the name of Jesus.
Would you like for this to be tested for real?
 

BenFTW

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Would you like for this to be tested for real?
It is tested daily my friend. Believers go out into the streets, lay hands on the sick, and see them be made well. They pray in the name of Jesus, administer healing in the name of Jesus, and are led of the Spirit (for His timing and purposes). This too is a part of the topic of healing, being led by God for if He sends you He will equip you for the task at hand.
 

LPT

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It is tested daily my friend. Believers go out into the streets, lay hands on the sick, and see them be made well. They pray in the name of Jesus, administer healing in the name of Jesus, and are led of the Spirit (for His timing and purposes). This too is a part of the topic of healing, being led by God for if He sends you He will equip you for the task at hand.
Thats not what I'm talking about? a simple yes or no is all that is needed.
 

BenFTW

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Thats not what I'm talking about? a simple yes or no is all that is needed.
Are you laying a trap for me? :) Speak your mind, I'm listening.