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Ahwatukee

Ahwatukee

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Willie-T said:
Well, there's also the fact that people seem to think God hates his own creation, mankind (unless they straighten up) and can hardly wait for the chance to slaughter most of them. Yeah, I think we have a LOT of problems with our thinking.
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Willie, many of the prophets wrote about "The day of the Lord." The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are a detailed account of that time of wrath. It will come upon all those on the earth who will be living during that time who are proud, arrogant and who have continued to reject Christ and who continue living according to the sinful nature. His word has been here as a warning and as guidence, believers have been warning people and then there is going to be a time where God takes more drastic measures, just like a parent would when they are done telling their children to stop doing something.

This time period of wrath is coming and nothing can stop that. This is why Jesus urges us to always be watching and ready so that the day will not close on us like a trap. God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be used to dismantle all human government and to bring in the end of the age and to establish Christ's millennial kingdom.
 
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Ahwatukee said:
Willie, many of the prophets wrote about "The day of the Lord." The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are a detailed account of that time of wrath. It will come upon all those on the earth who will be living during that time who are proud, arrogant and who have continued to reject Christ and who continue living according to the sinful nature. His word has been here as a warning and as guidence, believers have been warning people and then there is going to be a time where God takes more drastic measures, just like a parent would when they are done telling their children to stop doing something.

This time period of wrath is coming and nothing can stop that. This is why Jesus urges us to always be watching and ready so that the day will not close on us like a trap. God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be used to dismantle all human government and to bring in the end of the age and to establish Christ's millennial kingdom.
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I've asked this many times.... How are you going to be in a "state of readiness" on Thursday that you weren't the day before, on Wednesday? You are either a saved child of God... (ready)... or you aren't.
 
Ahwatukee

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Willie-T said:
I think we are VERY SERIOUSLY missing just what (who?) this "light" is that is going to be missing from our lives...... having no influence on the thoughts and actions of people.
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Here is the scripture:

"The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night."

The first part of the scripture gives the reason why the light will be reduced by a third and that because God is going strike the sun, moon and stars so that there will be a third less light coming from them and therefore, a third less light that will be missing from the earth for both day and night. God is going to be reducing the light from the sun and the moon by a third. If you have a light bulb in a room and you paint a third of it black, then when you turn it on it will only emit two thirds of its normal light. Or think of a light dimmer switch that has been turned down a third. The light from the sun and the stars will be dimmed by a third.
 
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Willie-T said:
I've asked this many times.... How are you going to be in a "state of readiness" on Thursday that you weren't the day before, on Wednesday? You are either a saved child of God... (ready)... or you aren't.
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Because those people who are having faith, watching and anticipating for the Lord's appearing to gather us will be removed from the earth. After that, all who are on the earth will be exposed to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which the are the wrath of God.
 
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Ahwatukee said:
Here is the scripture:

"The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night."

The first part of the scripture gives the reason why the light will be reduced by a third and that because God is going strike the sun, moon and stars so that there will be a third less light coming from them and therefore, a third less light that will be missing from the earth for both day and night. God is going to be reducing the light from the sun and the moon by a third. If you have a light bulb in a room and you paint a third of it black, then when you turn it on it will only emit two thirds of its normal light. Or think of a light dimmer switch that has been turned down a third. The light from the sun and the stars will be dimmed by a third.
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What was the original "light" in Genesis? I think that you will find that the sun, moon, and stars were created at a later time than when that light appeared.

Take God's influence from mankind, and he is back in darkness.
 
Ahwatukee

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Willie-T said:
What was the original "light" in Genesis? I think that you will find that the sun, moon, and stars were created at a later time than when that light appeared.
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I have no idea what that first light was. Possibly God's Shekinah glory. It just doesn't say what it was. But you are correct in that, that light was not the same as the light from the sun, moon and stars which were created four days later.
 
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Ahwatukee said:
Because those people who are having faith, watching and anticipating for the Lord's appearing to gather us will be removed from the earth. After that, all who are on the earth will be exposed to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which the are the wrath of God.
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oh, I see. so this is a rapture thing?? well, sorry to disappoint but ain't going to be one. the Lord will not return twice.
 
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oh, I see. so this is a rapture thing?? well, sorry to disappoint but ain't going to be one. the Lord will not return twice.
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Give em a break, gb9. People will read whatever their imaginations can conjure into Scripture, and all the trying in the world will not persuade them to see the light. (pun intended)
 
Ahwatukee

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gb9 said:
oh, I see. so this is a rapture thing?? well, sorry to disappoint but ain't going to be one. the Lord will not return twice.
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Greetings gb9,

Here is one of the scriptures regarding the prophesy of the resurrection and catching away:

"According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

Here is the scripture broken down:

* We who are still alive when the resurrection takes place will not go before those who have died in Christ

* The Lord himself will come down from heaven

* Those who have died in Christ will rise first

* Then those believers who are still alive will be "caught up" together with those who will have just previously resurrected where we all meet the Lord in the air.

So according to the scripture, you should at least be in agreement with what it is saying. The controversy is when this event will take place not if. You are correct in that the Lord will not return twice. At this event the Lord is not going to return to the earth, but the dead and the living will meet him in the air where according to John 14:1-3 he will then take us back to the Father's house that where he is we may be also. His actual return to the earth is when he literally returns to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. Consequently, anyone who is not believing in the Lord's appearing to gather us will not be going. A believer has to have faith in this promise in order to be ready.

The wrath of God is coming and the event of the resurrection and catching away is what is going to divide those who go and those who stay for God's wrath.
 
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I am more concerned about the methods to decipher and I am trying to see if it is possible to come up with a method that is totally based on the Scriptures which together with the guidance of the Holy Spirit will minimize the chance of errors in understanding and thus increase our firmness in the belief in the Word of God.
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The OT all points to Jesus on the cross. The gospels show Jesus on his way to the cross to accepted as the perfect sacrifice. The rest of the NT tells man our hope came and is coming again when he delivers the last into his Father's hand. (Thus don't sweat whats happening.) I honestly have never understood why so many assume it's somehow talking about America, Europe, Russia, the USSR, Africa, South America, Australia, the South Pole, and Sumatra. (At least, I am assuming every other country with believers in it think they fit into End Times prophecy in ways unrelated to how the USA believers think it's all about them. I really never asked how each country thinks it's all about them too.)

It really is all about God, even if it doesn't cover all about God. (He's too big to fit into one book.) I've been reading and/or studying it for 43 years and haven't even scratch the surface just about God, so I really don't understand why so many want to go off on topics apart from God when, wowee! It's all about God, he's infinitely amazing, has done so much, and he's the end time goal.

Studying End Times is like studying rabbits in the Bible. In English, the word is in there a few times, but such a small topic, not about God, and frankly often a mistranslation, so why study rabbits or End Times?
 
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Willie-T said:
What was the original "light" in Genesis? I think that you will find that the sun, moon, and stars were created at a later time than when that light appeared.

Take God's influence from mankind, and he is back in darkness.
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My guess? (And strictly a guess.) God! He is light. (Just one of many questions I have from the Bible that never get an answer, so I guess on.)
 
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Ahwatukee did you get a chance to see post #15? I copy it here again and hopefully you can respond and we can continue the discussion. See my questions in bold below:

thebesttrees said:
Let us apply the reasoning that you propose above to the verses in Isaiah 40:3-4.

Isaiah 40:3-4Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]A voice is crying -- in a wilderness -- Prepare ye the way of Jehovah, Make straight in a desert a highway to our God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Every valley is raised up, And every mountain and hill become low, And the crooked place hath become a plain, And the entangled places a valley.


What is there in the context that points to symbolism?


Or let us apply your reasoning to another example

Numbers 20:11-12Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]and Moses lifteth up his hand, and smiteth the rock with his rod twice; and much water cometh out, and the company drink, also their beasts.

Anything here that points to symbolism?
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gb9 said:
oh, I see. so this is a rapture thing?? well, sorry to disappoint but ain't going to be one. the Lord will not return twice.
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It's always an End Times thing one way or another. No need to study Jesus, just know the exact date he's coming!
 
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atwhatcost said:
It's always an End Times thing one way or another. No need to study Jesus, just know the exact date he's coming!
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Which, again is THE problem, but let's keep pretending it's not.
 
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