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From what i read from the Bible, their coming back -( Rev 12:7-12).But we have power over them in Christ name..( I'm over simplifying those events, so its not a complete statement about it all ).
If you want , here is a short detailed study on that word :" Nephilim " . I posted it to a Thread I started about it . -->
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/54543-nephilim-giants.html
If you want , here is a short detailed study on that word :" Nephilim " . I posted it to a Thread I started about it . -->
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/54543-nephilim-giants.html
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i want to mention, that the word study suggest its Giants . But it can be talking about the fallen angels is some places in the Bible. I'm sure the word study will clear alot of it up.
their role is a long study and it needs to be backed up with scripture. I rather talk about that with voice.
their role is a long study and it needs to be backed up with scripture. I rather talk about that with voice.
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Nephilim are NOT the people who got angry with God before the flood. Scripture does not support that 'theory?'
Nephilim are the PRODUCT of the conception between the angels of God who CHOSE to rebel against him when they came to earth upon His instruction, by fornicating with the daughters of men. Hence they were half human and half demonic angel. They were identifiable in the OT and scripture tells us that they will be here during the end times as well.(Genesis 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."
There are some (Biblical Scholars and Christians who work in the science of genetics) who think Obama has Nephilim blood in him. Any person that is 50
% or more of Nephilim blood cannot be saved. Any person that has less than 50% Nephilim blood can be saved. It is rare, but it does happen.
Have we forgotten what the purpose/mandate of the Nephilim was/is?? To populate the earth with beings that would take dominion for the kingdom of darkness!!! Do you think that Satan will cease this agenda because of the cross...especially when scripture tells us that they will be "also afterward"??
Hos 4:6....AGAIN
Today's Nephilim are tied into satanic ritual abuse, satanism, the whole drug industry and much more. Ignorance is not bliss...it is sheer foolishness.
Maggie
Nephilim are the PRODUCT of the conception between the angels of God who CHOSE to rebel against him when they came to earth upon His instruction, by fornicating with the daughters of men. Hence they were half human and half demonic angel. They were identifiable in the OT and scripture tells us that they will be here during the end times as well.(Genesis 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."
There are some (Biblical Scholars and Christians who work in the science of genetics) who think Obama has Nephilim blood in him. Any person that is 50
% or more of Nephilim blood cannot be saved. Any person that has less than 50% Nephilim blood can be saved. It is rare, but it does happen.
Have we forgotten what the purpose/mandate of the Nephilim was/is?? To populate the earth with beings that would take dominion for the kingdom of darkness!!! Do you think that Satan will cease this agenda because of the cross...especially when scripture tells us that they will be "also afterward"??
Hos 4:6....AGAIN
Today's Nephilim are tied into satanic ritual abuse, satanism, the whole drug industry and much more. Ignorance is not bliss...it is sheer foolishness.
Maggie
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I think you have some things out of order here MaggieMye. The last part of your statement is more opinion. The Nephilim I'm sure have nothing to do with Obama. Im not even sure how you got your 50% and tied that to him. But its not whats important. Theres just some things that are off.
The bible says anyone can be saved if they choose . See :. Not the Fallen angels, but you grouped a person here on earth ''oboma' which has nothing to do with the fallen angels. Obama can be saved
( John 3:15-18 KJV)
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
The bible says anyone can be saved if they choose . See :. Not the Fallen angels, but you grouped a person here on earth ''oboma' which has nothing to do with the fallen angels. Obama can be saved
( John 3:15-18 KJV)
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
K
How do demons or fallen angels have sex? My theory answers that, by saying they possess a human being to do it. And then they use technology to augment the size powers of the baby.
In Gen 6:4, check Strongs 834 for the meaning of aher (when). The verse can also read, there were nephilim on the earth in those days, and also afterward, through whom the sons of God..... Those (sons) were the mighty men.
On your interpretation, the nephilim and mighty men would have had to die in the flood, so how could they be here afterward? And how could the giants have survived?
My theory is that of the Jews and Greeks, and is supported by the archeology. It explains all these problems; the demons simply possessed new people after the flood, who made new giants. And it also explains the legends of "gods" living before the flood.
In Gen 6:4, check Strongs 834 for the meaning of aher (when). The verse can also read, there were nephilim on the earth in those days, and also afterward, through whom the sons of God..... Those (sons) were the mighty men.
On your interpretation, the nephilim and mighty men would have had to die in the flood, so how could they be here afterward? And how could the giants have survived?
My theory is that of the Jews and Greeks, and is supported by the archeology. It explains all these problems; the demons simply possessed new people after the flood, who made new giants. And it also explains the legends of "gods" living before the flood.
Genesis 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."
The reference "sons of God" was the family root phrase in the Bible for the people of Israel to read about their origins as being of the line of Seth.
Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
It was and can never be a reference used for angels, let alone fallen ones.
Matthew 22:30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Only God can join a man & a woman in marriage and for these women to be called "wives" in the Bible to these sons of God, then they were not angels nor fallen ones.
If you consider how God did not want Israel to marry outside of Israel, then you can see why the Genesis account would emphasize the importance of it as their were giants in their early history wherein David slew Goliath. There is no scripture to verify that Goliath was the result of a former godly man of Israel with a non Israelis woman other than Genesis 6:4, however, since God can foreknew the results of His actions, if defeating "Satan's plans" to pollute the bloodlines was true, then flooding the earth would make God look kind of stupid so that cannot be the reason why He did it.
God said why He did it before the flood and after the flood.
Genesis 6: 1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
This sets the precedent about how man was multiplying on the earth.
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
The word "That" as used above is in reference to that precedent mentioned in the first verse.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
It is the result of marrying outside of the line of Seth that God made this decree about man.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Do note the results of these unions as being referred to as men still.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Do note the real reason above as to why Gid flooded the earth and not one mention of a polluted bloodline.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
I see no mention of the destruction of the fallen angels that made themselves flesh.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
Whew. That was close.
Now note again as God confirmed with a promise as to why He had flooded the earth.
Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. 22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
So the pollution of the bloodline by fallen angels is a myth of man following after the mythologies of the Greek gods & the Norse gods.
Now while some will strain at the gnat & swallow a camel whole by using "sons of God" as a reference for angels and yet fallen angels in the book of Job... it opposes itself.
#1) How can sons of God be still used as a reference for fallen angels that gave up their first estate? Answer: it cannot.
#2) If sons of God was a reference to angels and marrying women for them to be called wives to them means that God joined them together, then does that not make God an accomplice in this sin? Answer: yes: and so God would not do that. We all know that presently, when a man is joined to a man in marriage or a woman is joined to a woman in marriage that God is not joining them at all. It is not a marriage in God's eyes. Jesus said what a marriage was.
Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
So why would God have these women called wives to angels that will make them fallen angels? Answer: the sons of God cannot be angels nor fallen ones.
#3) Out of the two gatherings of the sons of God mentioned in the book of Job, Job was pointed out & mentioned twice, thus highly indicative that he was among the sons of God presenting themselves to the Lord. The descrepancy later on in Job was a misreading of God being sarcastic to Job on how the sons of God which Job was among them, had sung songs of worship testifying about His creation in the mornings when these sons of God have gathered together in presenting themselves to the Lord.
There would be no point mentioning that to Job unless he was a witness against himself and thus should know better especially since he has sung those songs too.
#4) The Hebrew text for "sons" of the phrase "sons of God" is "ben" which means a builder of the family name: hence of the line of Seth that Israel can relate to.
Those that still contend do so by ignoring the words of Jesus Christ & the Bible.
1 Timothy 1:4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1 Timothy 4:7But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
I had believed such falsehood, but the Lord as my Good Shepherd, had set me straight. May He do the same for those inquiring on this subject for the truth.
The reference "sons of God" was the family root phrase in the Bible for the people of Israel to read about their origins as being of the line of Seth.
Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
It was and can never be a reference used for angels, let alone fallen ones.
Matthew 22:30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Only God can join a man & a woman in marriage and for these women to be called "wives" in the Bible to these sons of God, then they were not angels nor fallen ones.
If you consider how God did not want Israel to marry outside of Israel, then you can see why the Genesis account would emphasize the importance of it as their were giants in their early history wherein David slew Goliath. There is no scripture to verify that Goliath was the result of a former godly man of Israel with a non Israelis woman other than Genesis 6:4, however, since God can foreknew the results of His actions, if defeating "Satan's plans" to pollute the bloodlines was true, then flooding the earth would make God look kind of stupid so that cannot be the reason why He did it.
God said why He did it before the flood and after the flood.
Genesis 6: 1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
This sets the precedent about how man was multiplying on the earth.
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
The word "That" as used above is in reference to that precedent mentioned in the first verse.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
It is the result of marrying outside of the line of Seth that God made this decree about man.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Do note the results of these unions as being referred to as men still.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Do note the real reason above as to why Gid flooded the earth and not one mention of a polluted bloodline.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
I see no mention of the destruction of the fallen angels that made themselves flesh.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
Whew. That was close.
Now note again as God confirmed with a promise as to why He had flooded the earth.
Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. 22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
So the pollution of the bloodline by fallen angels is a myth of man following after the mythologies of the Greek gods & the Norse gods.
Now while some will strain at the gnat & swallow a camel whole by using "sons of God" as a reference for angels and yet fallen angels in the book of Job... it opposes itself.
#1) How can sons of God be still used as a reference for fallen angels that gave up their first estate? Answer: it cannot.
#2) If sons of God was a reference to angels and marrying women for them to be called wives to them means that God joined them together, then does that not make God an accomplice in this sin? Answer: yes: and so God would not do that. We all know that presently, when a man is joined to a man in marriage or a woman is joined to a woman in marriage that God is not joining them at all. It is not a marriage in God's eyes. Jesus said what a marriage was.
Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
So why would God have these women called wives to angels that will make them fallen angels? Answer: the sons of God cannot be angels nor fallen ones.
#3) Out of the two gatherings of the sons of God mentioned in the book of Job, Job was pointed out & mentioned twice, thus highly indicative that he was among the sons of God presenting themselves to the Lord. The descrepancy later on in Job was a misreading of God being sarcastic to Job on how the sons of God which Job was among them, had sung songs of worship testifying about His creation in the mornings when these sons of God have gathered together in presenting themselves to the Lord.
There would be no point mentioning that to Job unless he was a witness against himself and thus should know better especially since he has sung those songs too.
#4) The Hebrew text for "sons" of the phrase "sons of God" is "ben" which means a builder of the family name: hence of the line of Seth that Israel can relate to.
Those that still contend do so by ignoring the words of Jesus Christ & the Bible.
1 Timothy 1:4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1 Timothy 4:7But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
I had believed such falsehood, but the Lord as my Good Shepherd, had set me straight. May He do the same for those inquiring on this subject for the truth.
W
Scripture says there were giants.Rephaim. Bethrapha=House of the giant.Nephilim,etc.
Numbers 13:33="And there we saw the giants,the sons of Anak,which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers,and so we were in their sight".
I havn't been studying this subject very long. Many years ago when I first read the Bible cover to cover, I did not understand these things about the giants, & paid no attention to it as I already knew the story of David & Goliath. However, at this point in my life, I feel that I have spent too many years studying the parts of the Bible which make me feel comfortable. The subject of giants, Nephilim etc is uncomfortable at first, but wanting to understand fully every verse in the Bible, I started my researching the matter.
Deut.3:11-For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants;behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and 4 cubits the breadth of it,after the cubit of man."
13- "...which was called the land of giants".
Scripture even gives us the size of Og's /giant's iron bed. 9 cubits x 4 cubits. (I've heard this is 16 ft x 4.5 ft & also heard 13 ft x 6.5 ft) Either way, it is clear the Bible calls them giants because they are giants. Scripture has already been given that angels left their former estate to marry & have children with women, resulting in giants.
Gen 3:14 God is talkng to the serpent in the garden of Eden which continues on to the next verse 15= "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
One could spend a month just studying this one verse, the 1st prophecy of Jesus Christ. Jesus does bruise the head of satan at the 2nd coming, & satan does bruise the heel, or last generation/Christians of Jesus in end time prophecy.
Jesus is" her seed" & God's, but what does satan's seed mean? Technically angels don't reproduce it says somewhere in the Bible. Yet, the Bible says the angels married women & produced Nephilim, so maybe they got the seed of the woman, seed of a man, altered it genetically & placed the altered seed in the woman to impregnate her.This is not Scriptural, yet it IS Scriptural that giants were born of this union. Anyone care to guess how this was done? I don't know.
End time prophecy states that at the 2nd coming Jesus & His saints will defeat Satan & his armies. I see nothing that says giants or nephilim will be part of satan's armies in Scripture. Noah does see giants after the flood because that knowledge was still there to produce giants. Jesus says that in the end times our knowledge will increase, well maybe so does the enemy's. Maybe they create Nephilim who are not giants, but still the seed of "angels who left their former estate" & women. Now maybe they look more like us, instead of giants, maybe they have perfected their reproduction/genetic strain.
Many people all over the world claim to have been abducted by aliens, spacecraft are verified by radar & there are no aliens. These people have asked aliens if Jesus lived as man on earth & they say 'No". Are they taking female eggs?
I have taken this study as far as I can with Scripture only & cannot draw any further conclusions. There were giants, there is archaeological evidence to confirm them=skeletons. When Scripture says Jesus defeats Satan & his armies, should I take that spiritually or literally? I am not sure, but I know that thus far, Jesus has fulfilled every prophecy about Him LITERALLY.Satan's armies are from all nations, so it must not include just fallen angels.
I see no way in which to prove that anyone alive is part Nephilim, by blood or otherwise today.Also, I don't believe that anyone would be denied salvation like the rest of us who call on the name of the Lord.It is not the person's fault IF their dna were tampered with.
Numbers 13:33="And there we saw the giants,the sons of Anak,which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers,and so we were in their sight".
I havn't been studying this subject very long. Many years ago when I first read the Bible cover to cover, I did not understand these things about the giants, & paid no attention to it as I already knew the story of David & Goliath. However, at this point in my life, I feel that I have spent too many years studying the parts of the Bible which make me feel comfortable. The subject of giants, Nephilim etc is uncomfortable at first, but wanting to understand fully every verse in the Bible, I started my researching the matter.
Deut.3:11-For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants;behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and 4 cubits the breadth of it,after the cubit of man."
13- "...which was called the land of giants".
Scripture even gives us the size of Og's /giant's iron bed. 9 cubits x 4 cubits. (I've heard this is 16 ft x 4.5 ft & also heard 13 ft x 6.5 ft) Either way, it is clear the Bible calls them giants because they are giants. Scripture has already been given that angels left their former estate to marry & have children with women, resulting in giants.
Gen 3:14 God is talkng to the serpent in the garden of Eden which continues on to the next verse 15= "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
One could spend a month just studying this one verse, the 1st prophecy of Jesus Christ. Jesus does bruise the head of satan at the 2nd coming, & satan does bruise the heel, or last generation/Christians of Jesus in end time prophecy.
Jesus is" her seed" & God's, but what does satan's seed mean? Technically angels don't reproduce it says somewhere in the Bible. Yet, the Bible says the angels married women & produced Nephilim, so maybe they got the seed of the woman, seed of a man, altered it genetically & placed the altered seed in the woman to impregnate her.This is not Scriptural, yet it IS Scriptural that giants were born of this union. Anyone care to guess how this was done? I don't know.
End time prophecy states that at the 2nd coming Jesus & His saints will defeat Satan & his armies. I see nothing that says giants or nephilim will be part of satan's armies in Scripture. Noah does see giants after the flood because that knowledge was still there to produce giants. Jesus says that in the end times our knowledge will increase, well maybe so does the enemy's. Maybe they create Nephilim who are not giants, but still the seed of "angels who left their former estate" & women. Now maybe they look more like us, instead of giants, maybe they have perfected their reproduction/genetic strain.
Many people all over the world claim to have been abducted by aliens, spacecraft are verified by radar & there are no aliens. These people have asked aliens if Jesus lived as man on earth & they say 'No". Are they taking female eggs?
I have taken this study as far as I can with Scripture only & cannot draw any further conclusions. There were giants, there is archaeological evidence to confirm them=skeletons. When Scripture says Jesus defeats Satan & his armies, should I take that spiritually or literally? I am not sure, but I know that thus far, Jesus has fulfilled every prophecy about Him LITERALLY.Satan's armies are from all nations, so it must not include just fallen angels.
I see no way in which to prove that anyone alive is part Nephilim, by blood or otherwise today.Also, I don't believe that anyone would be denied salvation like the rest of us who call on the name of the Lord.It is not the person's fault IF their dna were tampered with.
N
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Well the study of the Nephilium has nothing to do with Maggies thoughts so please dont allow people to rob you of the truth Because they claim something is part of the truth when in fact its not. I don't agree with Maggie because I have studied this and the scriptures are clear. what Maggie said is her own personal opinion and or the opinion of other people she listens to. but i know it has nothing to do with this study. So dont confused the actually biblical truths with some ones ellses understanding of them. Meaning dont throw away the truth with some one ells opinion on it, because they are seperpeate things
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Well the study of the Nephilium has nothing to do with Maggies thoughts so please dont allow people to rob you of the truth Because they claim something is part of the truth when in fact its not. I don't agree with Maggie because I have studied this and the scriptures are clear. what Maggie said is her own personal opinion and or the opinion of other people she listens to. but i know it has nothing to do with this study. So dont confused the actually biblical truths with some ones ellses understanding of them. Meaning dont throw away the truth with some one ells opinion on it, because they are seperpeate things
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