What makes being gay worse than having premarital sex?

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being gay is not a choice. it's genetic. you're built that way by the man himself. one can not choose not to be gay. you can deny it and hide it, sure. but you'd be living a lie, which ultimately would bring you down. i've seen it happen, it's not a pretty sight, i wouldn't wish it on anyone.

you may not want to believe it, and you can deny it all you want. but fact of the matter is, homosexuality starts at conception, and they do not have a choice in the matter.
 
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mahula said:
being gay is not a choice. it's genetic. you're built that way by the man himself. one can not choose not to be gay. you can deny it and hide it, sure. but you'd be living a lie, which ultimately would bring you down. i've seen it happen, it's not a pretty sight, i wouldn't wish it on anyone.

you may not want to believe it, and you can deny it all you want. but fact of the matter is, homosexuality starts at conception, and they do not have a choice in the matter.
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where on earth did you come up with that? most homosexuals were made so by their uncle luke or their mama dressing them up in dresses when they were young. I have had the pleasure of befriending several gays in my life and meeting many many others and EVERYONE of them that i interviewed claimed molestation as a youngster. and every child molester that was male and molested another male IS A HOMOSEXUAL.
you have obviously followed the liberal lie of "god made me gay" sir i would suggest that if you truly are interested in the truth you read your bible and quit letting other people tell you what it says and means.
we have the holy spirit to lead us into all truth. not joyce meyer
 
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If it's not genetic at least partly how come people who have those tendencies find it so hard to change? What the parent does while carrying the child can have a big impact on the genetics of the child, and it could just flip the switch which gives the child a skewed sexuality or tendency towards it.
 
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secretofyah

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dude dont you know the difference between the old covenant and the new? Hebrews 8:10 he writes the law on your heart instead of 2 tables of stone its the exact same covenant except now its not a have to do it its a want to do it. you have been listening to joyce meyer and all those that have come in their own name working for the I R S instead of Yahweh
 
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where on earth did you come up with that? most homosexuals were made so by their uncle luke or their mama dressing them up in dresses when they were young. I have had the pleasure of befriending several gays in my life and meeting many many others and EVERYONE of them that i interviewed claimed molestation as a youngster. and every child molester that was male and molested another male IS A HOMOSEXUAL.
you have obviously followed the liberal lie of "god made me gay" sir i would suggest that if you truly are interested in the truth you read your bible and quit letting other people tell you what it says and means.
we have the holy spirit to lead us into all truth. not joyce meyer
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my mom is a christian. i was raised with the bible, both the new and the old testament as my bed-time story. i know what it says. and i find it to be full of contradictions and stories that defies common sense. i have gay friends and their mother's did nothing in the slightest to sway them that way. from talking to gays, and there's been quite a few, i can tell you that if it's not already in them, they can not be raised to go in that direction. the ones that have been molsted or abused, from what i've been able to read myself to, are more likely to feel a mental obligation, from wanting to please their mom, rather than a physical one.
 
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MightyLionOfJuda

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Dont all gay people follow rosie odonell,isnt that enough a reason its worse?All jokes aside sin is sin and we must put off the old self and put on the new once we are regenerated.
 
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dna does not change simple fact
 
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Gene expression can be changed by mere thought, however, so one needn't change the actual code to change protein expression.
 
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mahula said:
my mom is a christian. i was raised with the bible, both the new and the old testament as my bed-time story. i know what it says. and i find it to be full of contradictions and stories that defies common sense. i have gay friends and their mother's did nothing in the slightest to sway them that way. from talking to gays, and there's been quite a few, i can tell you that if it's not already in them, they can not be raised to go in that direction. the ones that have been molsted or abused, from what i've been able to read myself to, are more likely to feel a mental obligation, from wanting to please their mom, rather than a physical one.
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So you don't believe in the bible, is that what you're saying?
 
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gays are not made that way! whatever leads someone into that state of mind varies from person to person but it is all sin none the less.The Bible clearly states a sin and God would not create anyone that way but merely allow them to be given to a retrobate mind for not worshipping or following Him.If it was something that you were born with you would see no ex-gay movement or the rebuking of this practice in the Bible,dont be silly mahula
 
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i'm not good in making detailed reason so i'll make it short and simple. Being gay maybe accepted in our society but biblically speaking God doesn't why? because i thought that changing your gender means you don't have contentment of what you really are. It's something that you're dissatisfied with what God had given to you. On the other issue, premarital sex is a forgivable sin as long as you'll repent on it and make sure that you'll marry that person. So i guess, being Gay according to bible is worse.
 
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we have all fallen short of the glory of God, being gay is no bigger or smaller sin in Gods eyes as someone lieing to someone or a prostitute selling her body, or me hating someone for something. in are eyes we see that oh i lied and nothing like what that person has done but we are not holy and we are not one to judge, God is the judge but Jesus is are salvation, He forgives us and works in us to be the follower He wants us to be, dont let anything decieve you into thinking different. the devil and ppl can put it in your head that its ok to do somethng when God makes it very clear that there is no exceptions
 
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Homosexual unions are a perversion and go against man's very nature. Pre-marital heterosexual unions, while still wrong, are not a violation of the natural order.

I suspect this is rather a matter for Natural Law proponents, which I regret to say is a field of theology that I'm not as well versed in as I might be. Asking St Thomas Aquinas might be your best bet, but if he's not available maybe try Suaso or some other of our Catholic members.
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How about learning some "biology" instead of "theology" homosexuality can be traced back thousands of years, not only this but it is found in countless species of animals, in fact certain animal species (like the bonobo monkey) don't have any straight members

so if it's found in other similar, intelligent creatures, and is very much a part of nature, how is that humans are the exception to this rule? (also, anthropology may help you as well.)

FUN FACT: dolphins are the only other species that has sex for pleasure
 
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That homsexual natures are present in creatures from birth, even humans, is no surprise as we believe the whole creation came under bondage after the fall of Adam. It's part of original sin.
 
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MahogonySnail said:
That homsexual natures are present in creatures from birth, even humans, is no surprise as we believe the whole creation came under bondage after the fall of Adam. It's part of original sin.
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So if you're homosexual from birth, what are you to do? I suppose
you could just supress your emotions forever. (like if you were a pedophile.) But, it seems to me that the harm that could be done supressing your homosexuality, is a lot worse than the harm done from indulging in it.
 
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It doesn't mean they can't change or want to.
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sure some can "change" and are successful, but constantly telling yourself who you are naturally is detestable, that God made you detestable, and that every time you get aroused it's evil. And, you must do everything you can to get rid of a natural element of yourself.

I'm sure you can see how this might be a little damaging
 
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Actually it's an unnatural part of yourself that you have by human (sinful) nature, that once gotten rid of will help you feel more human.
 
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MahogonySnail said:
Actually it's an unnatural part of yourself that you have by human (sinful) nature, that once gotten rid of will help you feel more human.
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I'm pretty sure most gays feel human, until you tell them they aren't. (and then hopefully they'll just laugh, and still feel human.)
 
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