What makes being gay worse than having premarital sex?

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Actually I'm pretty sure that gays feel queer. I think all gays feel abnormal when they discover how square pegs don't fit too well in round holes. They feel abnormal which is why theres so many resources available to help them feel better about themselves.
 
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Actually I'm pretty sure that gays feel queer. I think all gays feel abnormal when they discover how square pegs don't fit too well in round holes. They feel abnormal which is why theres so many resources available to help them feel better about themselves.
everyone likes to feel good about themselves, also your peg/hole analogy put strange images in my head.
 
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dustyzafu

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I think all gays feel abnormal when they discover how square pegs don't fit too well in round holes.
Assuming I understand what you mean here, I don't think this is it for all cases. A number of us have reported feeling odd before any sexual contact. In my own experience, the feeling of differentness came long before I tried to fit anything into anything. I know 40 year old men who identify as gay but are still virgins; interestingly, these seem to be the most internally conflicted. Others have successfully put the correct pegs in the correct holes, stayed married for decades, but still feel abnormal.

They feel abnormal which is why theres so many resources available to help them feel better about themselves.
We often do feel abnormal and by any reasonable definition are, but, then again, so are people with red hair. Abnormality only recommends self-help when when society decides the difference should be problematic for the individual. Abnormality is only a problem when society insists on homogeneity - in this case, heterosexuality.
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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Not warning them of Hell is a sin.,

Warning them of Hell is loving them.

Forgiveness is giving up the right to get even. Not overlooking sin.
Do you need someone to point out your sin or do you already know it yourself?

Warning them is loving them, you say,
but I say, giving them a way out of hell is loving them the way God wants us too.
Jesus came to save, not condemn, the pharisees condemn and pointed out sin,
Jesus came forgiving and restoring and always pointing to the Father.
Love is what changes a persons heart.
The letter of the law kills, but love edifies.


 
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giantone

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You took a while but you finally commented.

no, I am completely unaware of my sin.

Are you aware of yours?

2 Corinthians 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

So are you saying I'm supposed to ignore sin or what? And why would the Christian be the smell of death for the one who is perishing?

You are saying I'm wrong, I am saying you are wrong.
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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You took a while but you finally commented.

no, I am completely unaware of my sin.

Are you aware of yours?

2 Corinthians 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

So are you saying I'm supposed to ignore sin or what? And why would the Christian be the smell of death for the one who is perishing?

You are saying I'm wrong, I am saying you are wrong.
Do you think this comes from you or anything you say or do?
This comes because Christ Himself who lives inside of you.
Being led by the Spirit of love is what does this.

It has nothing to do with fault finding or pointing out sin.

Corruption of the word of God comes when your not obey the commands to love.

 
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giantone

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You must tell people the truth, but in love.
If you judge without mercy, your judgment will be without mercy.

Jesus did not come pointing out sin, He came pointing to the Father, and the forgiveness of sins.
He showed us the truth, we are in need of Him, and none of us are without sin.
All the world is equal in this,
for if we broke one of the laws we are worthy of death.
None of us can take credit for anything we've done or not done in order to get into heaven.
Our righteousness come from Jesus, He is the one who has no sin!
Jesus was a friend of sinners, and He only did what He saw the Father doing and
Jesus only said what the Father was saying.

So what example does pointing out sin set?

Jesus Himself set the example when a woman caught in adultery was cast down before Him, the church then knew what the word said, she deserved death, after all that is what the law says.
But what did Jesus do?
He said, let he who has no sin cast the first stone, and then He began to write in the sand.
One by one from the oldest to the youngest the accusers fell away, until Jesus stood alone with the woman.
The one who knew no sin set the example that day!

Why can't we live by His example?

Look at the life of Peter, he denied Jesus three times.
He cut off a man ear.
He sunk while walking on water.
He caused division in the book of Acts, causing the law to creep back in.
He did a lot of things but yet Jesus chose him, to be the rock!

Upon this rock I will build my church, the rock of the revealed Son of God, Jesus!
Those who love are of God,
We are to be salt and salt has healing power as it burns a wound.
We are to be a humble and contrite people, not rude and unloving.
It is our goodness that leads people to repentance.
Our mercy must out weigh our judgments and we must trust in the living God to know a man heart. He is the one who reveals the truth!
You are not the judge of a mans heart, God is!
You see the outside cover of a book, and you judge by what you see!

Where by your own lips you prove you do not know God, (casting stones)
you know the word,
but not the living word.
You have stumbled over the rock, and a veil still covers your face, you are still trapped by the law of sin and death, so you place others there with you, making the cross of no effect, and treating the grace of God as nothing.

We will reap from what we have sown, judgment with mercy, or without.
Life or death,
I would much rather reap life.
We are to be life givers not life takers.
Love, against which there is no law, no death, only life which comes from God, for God is love and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom from the Law of sin and death.
We realize there is only one who is without sin, Jesus!
Jesus is worthy to receive all praise!
He is worthy to have all knees bow, and every tongue confess that He is Lord.
We are changed as we get to know Him, and as we do, we become like Him.
We can not take credit for it, it comes from faith in Jesus!
My mistake, you did respond I just forgot.
Jesus did show mercy and your right about not being to harsh on people but Jesus always called sin, sin He even called Herod a fox effeminate one (homosexual).

Luke 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected

If you would ask anyone who knows me judgmental is not a word they would use.
 
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KIT1776

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yes, homosexuality is a terrible sin, BUT THERE ARE MUCH WORSE SINS WE CHRISTIANS Do like pride, arrogance, nO lovE
 
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KIT1776

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yes, christ pointed out sins in public and was more condemning than consoling because he taught more about hell than heaven
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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yes, christ pointed out sins in public and was more condemning than consoling because he taught more about hell than heaven
He preached on it, but to single out a person, He did not.
It was the Pharisees who pointed out sin.

He always pointed to the Father, everything He did, pointed to love.
 
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Sometimes Christ pointed to both the Father and to hell:

Luk 12:5 But I will warn you of whom you shall fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yea, I say to you, fear Him.


More examples of Jesus singling out groups of people or individuals:

Mat 23:33 Serpents! Offspring of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?


Luk 10:13 Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which have been done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented a long while ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.
Luk 10:14 But it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the Judgment than for you.
Luk 10:15 And you, Capernaum, which has been lifted up to Heaven, you shall be thrust down into hell.
Luk 10:16 The one hearing you hears Me, and he who despises you despises Me; he who rejects you also rejects Him who sent Me.


 
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Raeshelle

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Sin is sin in the eyes of God. It doesn't matter how big or small. So being Gay or having sex before marriage are both wrong in the eyes of God. There are many sins and again there is no big or small sin to God, it is all just sin.
 
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mahula

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So you don't believe in the bible, is that what you're saying?
Yes. i don't believe the stories told in the bible. like previously stated, i think it's full of stories that defies logic and common sense. i believe they were written at a time where the ability to read and write were not a common thing to have, and as such were told from mouth to mouth. stories told that way has a tendency to change over time. people had no real way of veryfieing these stories, and noone knows if they went from mouth to mouth, possibly having been altered, before they were written down. i believe the parts of the world the people of the stores lived in, were not as safe as they might or might not be today. as a result of that, people were scared, looking for answers, and these stories were a way to explain what otherwise couldn't be explained or understood. we have no way of determining the state of mind the writers were in, not do we know if they were paid by more powerful people, to tell these stories to help control the mob. there has been no undeniable proof that any of the stories took place, and i think that in todays world, it's lost any credability it might've had, due to the amount of money it's making.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Yes. i don't believe the stories told in the bible. like previously stated, i think it's full of stories that defies logic and common sense. i believe they were written at a time where the ability to read and write were not a common thing to have, and as such were told from mouth to mouth. stories told that way has a tendency to change over time. people had no real way of veryfieing these stories, and noone knows if they went from mouth to mouth, possibly having been altered, before they were written down. i believe the parts of the world the people of the stores lived in, were not as safe as they might or might not be today. as a result of that, people were scared, looking for answers, and these stories were a way to explain what otherwise couldn't be explained or understood. we have no way of determining the state of mind the writers were in, not do we know if they were paid by more powerful people, to tell these stories to help control the mob. there has been no undeniable proof that any of the stories took place, and i think that in todays world, it's lost any credability it might've had, due to the amount of money it's making.
How recent do you think writing was invented? Frankly, I think we are more scared now than we ever were. We have within our grasp the ability to destroy all life. We are messing with the very fabric of life and we seem to have no moral compass. Payment by powerful people? lol. That is proof by lack of evidence. I don't know who these writers were so they must be a plot. As for undeniable proof, luckily the Mesopotamians were pretty good record keepers, so many of the kings of Israel and their activities are confirmed. Also, you have Josephus. Even if you reject his affirmation of Jesus' deity, his historical reference to Jesus and the apostles is well accepted. I would suggest the books of Jos McDowell if you truly want to look into this.
 
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