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I would like to hear everyones input please 
K
I don't believe we go to heaven after we die in the flesh, it is still a little shady to me as to where we are exactly.
Because some say it is hades ( land of the dead ) and then was translated to hell. To me from what I read both deal with pain and suffering. I don't believe believers will be sent to suffer tell judgment comes.
I believe more toward the sheol the Jews believe. If you read in Luke 16:19-31 it talks about Abrahams bosom.
Then in the scripture it says at the transformation the dead in Christ rise first, then we that are alive a brought up.
If the dead rise, then they can not be there already.
Because some say it is hades ( land of the dead ) and then was translated to hell. To me from what I read both deal with pain and suffering. I don't believe believers will be sent to suffer tell judgment comes.
I believe more toward the sheol the Jews believe. If you read in Luke 16:19-31 it talks about Abrahams bosom.
Then in the scripture it says at the transformation the dead in Christ rise first, then we that are alive a brought up.
If the dead rise, then they can not be there already.
Here is an experience I had as I watched my Dad die. It doesn't tell what happened to him, but what watching it was like.
Dad was in a small hospital room, the cancer was very painful and advanced. There was his bed, and a window next to it. The only thing else in the room was a chair and a little table. I was sitting in the chair, Mom and my sister stood at the end of the bed, Dad was unconscious. Dad gave that gurgle that comes at death, Mom and my sister ran for a nurse. I was in prayer, hands folded in my lap and looking down at them. It was storming out and people was in the halls waiting to come tell him goodbye, hoping to see him before he left.
Dad was a crusty Christian Norwegian absolutely dedicated to doing things in an orderly timely manner. Mom hadn't slept in days, this messy stormy night was not the way Dad would want to go.
Without looking up I was aware of two beings in the room, two that were not human like us. God was so alive in the room that I knew they were from the Lord, and we were able to contact each other. They let me know I was not supposed to be aware of them, and they were there to help my Dad as he made the transition from living in his body to going on to the next way he was to live. I wasn't given any particulars about how that next life would be, but there was no doubt that it was a good place and he would be helped and cared for.
I explained to them about Mom's need for rest, the messiness of the timing, and asked if please they could come back in the morning, instead. They had to get permission from higher up to do that, but it is what they did. Within minutes our pastor took Mom home for a rest, the nurses sent his visitors away, and I checked with him and prayed with him all the rest of that night. In the morning, the sun came out and he left us at a time of beauty and order.
Dad was in a small hospital room, the cancer was very painful and advanced. There was his bed, and a window next to it. The only thing else in the room was a chair and a little table. I was sitting in the chair, Mom and my sister stood at the end of the bed, Dad was unconscious. Dad gave that gurgle that comes at death, Mom and my sister ran for a nurse. I was in prayer, hands folded in my lap and looking down at them. It was storming out and people was in the halls waiting to come tell him goodbye, hoping to see him before he left.
Dad was a crusty Christian Norwegian absolutely dedicated to doing things in an orderly timely manner. Mom hadn't slept in days, this messy stormy night was not the way Dad would want to go.
Without looking up I was aware of two beings in the room, two that were not human like us. God was so alive in the room that I knew they were from the Lord, and we were able to contact each other. They let me know I was not supposed to be aware of them, and they were there to help my Dad as he made the transition from living in his body to going on to the next way he was to live. I wasn't given any particulars about how that next life would be, but there was no doubt that it was a good place and he would be helped and cared for.
I explained to them about Mom's need for rest, the messiness of the timing, and asked if please they could come back in the morning, instead. They had to get permission from higher up to do that, but it is what they did. Within minutes our pastor took Mom home for a rest, the nurses sent his visitors away, and I checked with him and prayed with him all the rest of that night. In the morning, the sun came out and he left us at a time of beauty and order.
I would like to hear everyones input please
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Daniel 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
These verses is saying that God were going to destroy the natural realm, but He have had a change of heart that He is not going to destroy it but give it what it is lacking from, but which He is going to restore it . He is going to combine His realm back with ours by making it into a multidimensional realm and which it will be able to do the things that of the spiritual realm can do. Adam was castaway from from God presence and which it had left him in just a plain ordinary natural realm that didn't had any life to it, like for an instance, he had to create his own food with physical strength, but before it just appeared when he desired it; but at the time the foods wasn't to appeased the flesh, but it had pleases the soul only. This realm will be like the third heaven and which it is not the realm that God resides in, but God will be their in this realm in a physical body at times. But in this state of being there is also the ones that had loved evil and which they be in the same realm, but separate. Ones will be in the light and the others be in the dark unable to cross over into each others realms. The ones that are in the dark will be living in a living nightmare forever; unable for the nightmares to stop. But since they had loved making a nightmare of all things in this life, so God is going to let them to enjoy the works of their labor, forever.
Paradise is a religious or metaphysical term for a place in which existence is positive, harmonious and eternal. It is conceptually a counter-image of the supposed miseries of human civilization, and in paradise there is only peace, prosperity, and happiness. Paradise is a place of contentment, but it is not necessarily a land of luxury and idleness. Paradise is often described as a "higher place", the holiest place, in contrast to this world, or underworlds such as Hell.
Paradisaical notions are cross-cultural, often laden with pastoral imagery, and may be cosmogonical or eschatological or both. In eschatological contexts, paradise is imagined as an abode of the virtuous dead. In Christian and Islamic understanding,Heaven is a paradisaical relief, evident for example in the Gospel of Luke when Jesus tells a penitent criminal crucified alongside him that they will be together in paradise. In old Egyptian beliefs, the otherworld is Aaru, the reed-fields of ideal hunting and fishing grounds where the dead lived after judgment. For the Celts, it was the Fortunate Isle of Mag Mell. For the classical Greeks, the Elysian fields was a paradisaical land of plenty where the heroic and righteous dead hoped to spend eternity. The Vedic Indians held that the physical body was destroyed by fire but recreated and reunited in the Third Heavenin a state of bliss. In the Zoroastrian Avesta, the "Best Existence" and the "House of Song" are places of the righteous dead. On the other hand, in cosmological contexts 'paradise' describes the world before it was tainted by evil. So for example, theAbrahamic faiths associate paradise with the Garden of Eden, that is, the perfect state of the world prior to the fall from grace, and the perfect state that will be restored in the World to Come.
The concept is a topos' in art and literature, particularly of the pre-Enlightenment era, a well-known representative of which isJohn Milton's Paradise Lost. A paradise should not be confused with a utopia, which is an alternative society.
Later in Second Temple era Judaism "paradise" came to be associated with the Garden of Eden and prophesies of restoration of Eden, and transferred to heaven. The Septuagintuses the word around 30 times, both of Eden, (Gen.2:7 etc.) and of Eden restored (Ezek. 28:13, 36:35 etc.). In the Apocalypse of Moses, Adam and Eve are expelled from paradise (instead of Eden) after having been tricked by the serpent. Later after the death of Adam, the Archangel Michael carries the body of Adam to be buried in Paradise, which is in the Third Heaven.
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I will die unless Christ comes while I am alive.
Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me though he were dead, yet shall he live. [When - v24 in the resurrection at the last day] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? i.e. at the gathering together or at the resurrection. We will either be gathered together - "this mortal must put on immortality" or we will be raised from the dead - "this corruptible must put on incorruptible". [1 Cor. 15:53] ["dead in Christ shall rise first then whose who are alive and remain"]
What was the lie told in the garden of Eden? "Thou shalt not surely die." What did the fall bring? Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Rom. 5:12
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. - we will live again and reign with Jesus Christ.
This is what I know - Ecc. 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. That's all I need to know.
Love ya in Christ crossnote . . .
Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me though he were dead, yet shall he live. [When - v24 in the resurrection at the last day] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? i.e. at the gathering together or at the resurrection. We will either be gathered together - "this mortal must put on immortality" or we will be raised from the dead - "this corruptible must put on incorruptible". [1 Cor. 15:53] ["dead in Christ shall rise first then whose who are alive and remain"]
What was the lie told in the garden of Eden? "Thou shalt not surely die." What did the fall bring? Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Rom. 5:12
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. - we will live again and reign with Jesus Christ.
This is what I know - Ecc. 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. That's all I need to know.
Love ya in Christ crossnote . . .
When a person dies the Spirit they are born with that dogs and cows all animals do not have returns to God for safe keeping. the body is just an empty container that is returned to the earth. That is what happens when all humans die and have died.
Now you know the rest of the story... as Paul used to say before he died.
Mac.
Now you know the rest of the story... as Paul used to say before he died.
Mac.
Doesn't Paul say that to be "absent from the body" is to be "present with the Lord" ? If, then, a Christian dies and is "absent from the body," is he not immediately (and consciously) "present with the Lord"?
The expressions "absent from the body" and "present with the Lord" are found in 2 Corinthians 5:6,8. In the preceding verses, Paul speaks of the present mortal condition and the future glorified state. The mortal body is described as "our earthly house" (verse 1), "this tent" (verses 1,4), and our present "home" (verse 6). These descriptions are contrasted with the everlasting "building from God," or "house not made with hands" (verse 1), which is "our habitation which is from heaven" (verse 2) with which we shall be "clothed" (verses 2-4).
A person who is "absent from the body" has put off the present clothing. He will remain "naked" (verse 3), or "unclothed" (verse 4), until he is "further clothed" (verse 4) with his "building," "house," or "habitation" from heaven. At that time, he will be "present with the Lord."
Both the present mortality and the future immortality are described in terms of "clothing." The mortal body a person occupies is his present clothing. His future clothing is the immortal body he will obtain at the resurrection, which takes place at the Second Coming of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,50-55; 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17). He is "naked," or "unclothed," between death and resurrection. Therefore, Paul did not mean that a person who is "absent from the body" is immediately and consciously "present with the Lord."
Mac.
F
Many people have dogs, cats and other animals that they love dearly. Maybe the man that started Bordens milk had Elsie the cow as a pet and loved her. Will our pets be in Heaven with us? I remember how one person answered that question when asked:
"God will prepare everything for our perfect happiness in heaven, and if it takes my dog being there, I believe he'll be there."- Billy Graham
"God will prepare everything for our perfect happiness in heaven, and if it takes my dog being there, I believe he'll be there."- Billy Graham
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K
I still don't think people go to heaven right after they die.
The bible specifically says that at the transformation ( or rapture ) the dead in Christ rise first and then we who are still alive rise to meet Him in the air.
If the dead have to rise to meet the Lord, then they can not be in heaven already.
The bible specifically says that at the transformation ( or rapture ) the dead in Christ rise first and then we who are still alive rise to meet Him in the air.
If the dead have to rise to meet the Lord, then they can not be in heaven already.
F
I would like to hear everyones input please
God will resurrect all believers who have died, give them glorified bodies, and take them from the earth, along with those believers who are still alive and who will at that time also be given glorified bodies. “For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
In any case know this: For the Christian, death is merely a minor inconvenience.....for the non-Christian....it is a terrifying and crushing experience.....full of dread anxiety and irreconcilable concerns; to be caught dead without Christ is nothing short of a catastrophe!
I would like to hear everyones input please