What was the "different gospel" in Galatians 1:6?l
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Certain people seem to believe they will receive eternal life based on the merits of obeying "these works" and just not "those works" and call that the righteousness of God, yet it's still salvation by works no matter how much they try to sugar coat it. Regardless of the works/aspect of the law specified they say must be obeyed to be saved, whether circumcision, keeping the sabbath day, obeying the 10 commandments in general etc.. it's still salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works," which is a "different" gospel.
Wow, defiant still.
Even after all that Jeremiah and Isaiah and Jesus and Paul and Stephen and Peter said about the mainstream preachers of their time, you still twist one sentence in the entire Bible and preach that it destroys everything else the Scriptures teach about the Pharisees.
The only people in the world that claim the Pharisees were obeying God's Laws and not their own is the Mainstream Preachers of His time, Pharisees themselves, and You and the Mainstream Preachers of our time.
Jesus didn't, Paul didn't, Stephen didn't, Jeremiah didn't.
This is not my fault.
The "Conspiracy" theories you grow tired of are not mine. They are from the same God that teaches the Pharisees were not trying to please God by obeying Him.
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Deceive:= "fraudulence" go astray, to seduce, wander, out of the way, delusion, error. to deceive.
Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Matt. 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them,
Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
2 Cor. 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
So once again it is Jesus who condemns your preaching that the Pharisees were trying to please God by obeying Him, not me.
And it is Jesus who warns of the "conspiracy" you mock, not me.
Matt. 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
I told you what my church is, and where my knowledge comes from. Neither have anything to do with your preaching that the Pharisees were trying to please God by obeying Him, or the scriptures that expose this as untrue.
Even after all that Jeremiah and Isaiah and Jesus and Paul and Stephen and Peter said about the mainstream preachers of their time, you still twist one sentence in the entire Bible and preach that it destroys everything else the Scriptures teach about the Pharisees.
The only people in the world that claim the Pharisees were obeying God's Laws and not their own is the Mainstream Preachers of His time, Pharisees themselves, and You and the Mainstream Preachers of our time.
Jesus didn't, Paul didn't, Stephen didn't, Jeremiah didn't.
This is not my fault.
The "Conspiracy" theories you grow tired of are not mine. They are from the same God that teaches the Pharisees were not trying to please God by obeying Him.
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Deceive:= "fraudulence" go astray, to seduce, wander, out of the way, delusion, error. to deceive.
Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Matt. 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them,
Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
2 Cor. 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
So once again it is Jesus who condemns your preaching that the Pharisees were trying to please God by obeying Him, not me.
And it is Jesus who warns of the "conspiracy" you mock, not me.
Matt. 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
I told you what my church is, and where my knowledge comes from. Neither have anything to do with your preaching that the Pharisees were trying to please God by obeying Him, or the scriptures that expose this as untrue.
So Jesus was a Pharisee? You preach the Pharisees were following the same Laws Jesus followed.. So Jesus was blameless for keeping His fathers laws. But the Pharisees were rejected for following the same laws? Was Zacharias also rejected?
the Mainstream preaching of Christ's time was not the Laws of God Dan. They had created their own law, their own High Days, their own images of God after the likeness of man. They taught for doctrines the "Commandments of men" and called them the "Law of Moses". They had created their own "righteousness" as Paul spells out.
Saul was blameless in the Law of the Pharisee, and this is why he persecuted people who were following God's instructions, like Jesus and Stephen.
the Mainstream preaching of Christ's time was not the Laws of God Dan. They had created their own law, their own High Days, their own images of God after the likeness of man. They taught for doctrines the "Commandments of men" and called them the "Law of Moses". They had created their own "righteousness" as Paul spells out.
Saul was blameless in the Law of the Pharisee, and this is why he persecuted people who were following God's instructions, like Jesus and Stephen.
Since Christ denounced the scribes, Pharisees, and lawyers for their hypocrisy, and pronounced woes upon them, it should be perfectly clear that they were violating the Law. Yet they believed that by observing the minutiae of the Law (tithing herbs, mint and cumin etc.) they were keeping the Law, and going about establishing their own righteousness.
After Pentecost, many priests, Pharisees, lawyers, etc. did get saved, but at least some of them (if not the majority) could not comprehend that justification was purely by grace through faith, and insisted that all Christians should be committed to Torah observance in order to be saved. Since the issue was a serious one, it was settled in Jerusalem through the Holy Spirit revealing to the apostles and elders that only FOUR Mosaic laws were binding on Christians (therefore they are still binding):
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;That [1] ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and [2] from blood, and [3] from things strangled, and [4] from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. (Acts 15:28,29).
In order to further teach Hebrew Christians as to what had been nullified in the Law of Moses through the finished work of Christ, Paul wrote the epistle to the Hebrews to specifically teach that Christians could not have Moses and Christ at the same time, therefore many things in the Law of Moses were to be deemed null and void.
As to the Ten Commandments, they are God's moral and spiritual laws, and can never be nullified. However, they are now incorporated into the Law of Love (aka the Law of Christ, the Law of Liberty, and the Royal Law) which requires obedience to the two greatest commandments by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit FOR SANCTIFICATION. Thus it is written on the hearts and minds of the saints, and Christians cannot be Antinominans.
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lol. So your afraid to tell us what churhc you go to. So I will just assume like all who have come here before you who make these cvlkaims NO ONE ELSE ON TH$E FACE OF THE EARTH MAKES, that you do not go to church, You just use the old adage, i go to Gods church, etc etc.. Everyone claims this.
As for the rest.
Again you ignore what Paul said, He said ACCORDING to the LAW he was BLAMELESS.
Hedid not say he was sinless. He said according to the law of moses. Anyone who looked at his life, would consider him blameless.
Your problem is you do not understand the law. YTou do not understand the purpose of the law. The pharisee was considered by the people to be the most righteous people on earth. If we look at today, think of mother Theresa, or other religious people who you look at their lives, and think they are blameless people. Because you cannot find any sin in their life.
But no, You want to ignore this, Thats on you buddy.
Of Course jesus said they were sinners, ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT. That includes you and I, Thats th point, One can live outward lives and be blameless to the people. It does not make them blameless people.
As for the rest.
Again you ignore what Paul said, He said ACCORDING to the LAW he was BLAMELESS.
Hedid not say he was sinless. He said according to the law of moses. Anyone who looked at his life, would consider him blameless.
Your problem is you do not understand the law. YTou do not understand the purpose of the law. The pharisee was considered by the people to be the most righteous people on earth. If we look at today, think of mother Theresa, or other religious people who you look at their lives, and think they are blameless people. Because you cannot find any sin in their life.
But no, You want to ignore this, Thats on you buddy.
Of Course jesus said they were sinners, ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT. That includes you and I, Thats th point, One can live outward lives and be blameless to the people. It does not make them blameless people.
Dear grandpa, (I feel funny addressing you that way) We are all born with the Spirit but you have to feed him. Then you follow the direction he leads you. Over the years, I've heard many say, "I've accepted Jesus Christ as my savior!", "I am filled with the Spirit!", "I am born again!" and then go about their normal lives as though all is well. They have no knowledge of the truth nor care to learn it because it often comes in conflict with their pursuits.
If the spirit that is in you is not guided by the truth because the truth is not in you, where then did that spirit come from and who is guiding it? Our Lord Jesus tells us to "learn of me", "seek me". Do we do this through osmosis by sitting on a church pew for an hour every Sunday morning or is there a more sure way. To me "learn of me" and "seek me" means to go to the Holy Word. To seek him is to find him, to learn of him is to know him and this only comes from the Word of Truth. No man can lead me to "the door" I seek.
"Heb. 3:10-11 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest." Paul is teaching us here about the Father's heart. Mankind had grievously erred and the wrath of God fell upon them. Now he has sent Jesus to be the propitiation for our sins. We are saved from God's wrath if we turn away from our sins and follow Jesus. How can one follow him if we don't know him?
"Matt. 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." The Spirit you rely on will not save you in the day of your condemnation.
This is something else I learned from reading the Word of God. "Matt. 5:22---but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." These words are not lightly given. I hope you will phrase your opinion or choose your words more carefully. Reading the Word of God, you not only learn the truth, you learn to fear. Fear can save you from the wrath of God. Hope and wishful thinking won't.
If the spirit that is in you is not guided by the truth because the truth is not in you, where then did that spirit come from and who is guiding it? Our Lord Jesus tells us to "learn of me", "seek me". Do we do this through osmosis by sitting on a church pew for an hour every Sunday morning or is there a more sure way. To me "learn of me" and "seek me" means to go to the Holy Word. To seek him is to find him, to learn of him is to know him and this only comes from the Word of Truth. No man can lead me to "the door" I seek.
"Heb. 3:10-11 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest." Paul is teaching us here about the Father's heart. Mankind had grievously erred and the wrath of God fell upon them. Now he has sent Jesus to be the propitiation for our sins. We are saved from God's wrath if we turn away from our sins and follow Jesus. How can one follow him if we don't know him?
"Matt. 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." The Spirit you rely on will not save you in the day of your condemnation.
This is something else I learned from reading the Word of God. "Matt. 5:22---but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." These words are not lightly given. I hope you will phrase your opinion or choose your words more carefully. Reading the Word of God, you not only learn the truth, you learn to fear. Fear can save you from the wrath of God. Hope and wishful thinking won't.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and heartfelt reply.
This discussion regarding todays mainstream preaching that the Pharisees were trying to please God by keeping His Laws is a good discussion to have.
There is a lot of mainstream doctrine that is founded on the principle that the Jews were rejected "BECAUSE" they were trying to get to heaven by obeying the Laws of God.
I know this has been the mainstream preaching for as long as I have been alive. But the "Law" showed the truth about these preachers since the beginning of the Bible. The point is they were told the truth about themselves from the Prophets first, then Jesus, and still rejected God's Word.
Everyone keeps part of God's Laws, even gentiles. But you never hear todays preachers saying the Gentiles were trying to get to heaven by keeping God's Laws because they kept part of them.
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
So yes, they created their righteousness, but not according to the Laws of God, but the laws of their own making. "We have a Law, and by our Law he should die." This is the "Law" they followed that they thought made them righteous. They rejected God's Laws as it is written.
The Torah taught Grace through Faith.
Duet. 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, (Here is the Faith) and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, (Here is the Grace) to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
But the Jews didn't believe in this God, they created their own. Peter knew that the Pharisees which "Believed" were still pushing a religion with Jewish customs that Jesus exposed was not from God.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Todays Mainstream Preachers teach this is referring to God's Commandments because their foundation is built on the lie that the Jews were trying to please God by keeping His Laws.
But Jesus said the "Yoke" their fathers couldn't bear was not God's Commandments but their own traditions.
"For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
You see how the common religious perception of Acts 15 starts to fall apart when we consider what Jesus actually says.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
These are not traditions or doctrines of man, but commandments God He gave us through Moses.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
This is exactly the same thing Jesus said to His Apostles and to the people in Matt. 23.
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude,(Jews, Gentiles alike) and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
James followed the teaching of Jesus perfectly. What will the New Converts learn from Moses? God's Righteousness, Yes? Like Jesus said: "Seek Ye First the Kingdom of heaven and HIS Righteousness", not the traditions and doctrines of a church that transgresses the Commandments of God by their own traditions.
What Laws had been nullified? This is another part on Mainstream doctrine that opposes the teaching of God's Word. No law has been nullified, only changed. And the only law that the Bible says have changed is the Levitical Priesthood. Only because Jesus came from the Tribe of Judah, and not from Levi. But the sacrifice was made according to the Commandment, The Laws are still administered by the High Priest, according to the Commandment, but in a different manner. The only thing that the New Covenant dealt with was;
#1. The manner in which God's Laws are administered, (He writes His Laws on our hearts instead of having to hear them from the scribes)
#2. The manner in which sins are forgiven. (No more Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. Jesus forgives our sins with His Own Blood once and for all.)
This is true, The Ten Commandments can never be nullified. But The Teaching that God didn't instruct us to Love Him and each other in the Old Testament in not accurate as far as actual scripture is concerned and Jesus pointed this out in the verse you quoted.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The Jews never followed God's Laws with all their might. Joshua and Caleb did, Abel did, Abraham did, Daniel did, Stephen did, Cornelius did, Paul did. But the Pharisees did not.
23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.
Every doctrine built on the belief that the Jews were trying to obey the letter of the law is flawed.
I don't mean to be argumentative, I respect your point of view. I hope you can see the point of this post.
thanks again for your thoughtful reply.
This discussion regarding todays mainstream preaching that the Pharisees were trying to please God by keeping His Laws is a good discussion to have.
There is a lot of mainstream doctrine that is founded on the principle that the Jews were rejected "BECAUSE" they were trying to get to heaven by obeying the Laws of God.
I know this has been the mainstream preaching for as long as I have been alive. But the "Law" showed the truth about these preachers since the beginning of the Bible. The point is they were told the truth about themselves from the Prophets first, then Jesus, and still rejected God's Word.
Everyone keeps part of God's Laws, even gentiles. But you never hear todays preachers saying the Gentiles were trying to get to heaven by keeping God's Laws because they kept part of them.
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
So yes, they created their righteousness, but not according to the Laws of God, but the laws of their own making. "We have a Law, and by our Law he should die." This is the "Law" they followed that they thought made them righteous. They rejected God's Laws as it is written.
The Torah taught Grace through Faith.
Duet. 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, (Here is the Faith) and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, (Here is the Grace) to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
But the Jews didn't believe in this God, they created their own. Peter knew that the Pharisees which "Believed" were still pushing a religion with Jewish customs that Jesus exposed was not from God.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Todays Mainstream Preachers teach this is referring to God's Commandments because their foundation is built on the lie that the Jews were trying to please God by keeping His Laws.
But Jesus said the "Yoke" their fathers couldn't bear was not God's Commandments but their own traditions.
"For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
You see how the common religious perception of Acts 15 starts to fall apart when we consider what Jesus actually says.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
These are not traditions or doctrines of man, but commandments God He gave us through Moses.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
This is exactly the same thing Jesus said to His Apostles and to the people in Matt. 23.
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude,(Jews, Gentiles alike) and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
James followed the teaching of Jesus perfectly. What will the New Converts learn from Moses? God's Righteousness, Yes? Like Jesus said: "Seek Ye First the Kingdom of heaven and HIS Righteousness", not the traditions and doctrines of a church that transgresses the Commandments of God by their own traditions.
What Laws had been nullified? This is another part on Mainstream doctrine that opposes the teaching of God's Word. No law has been nullified, only changed. And the only law that the Bible says have changed is the Levitical Priesthood. Only because Jesus came from the Tribe of Judah, and not from Levi. But the sacrifice was made according to the Commandment, The Laws are still administered by the High Priest, according to the Commandment, but in a different manner. The only thing that the New Covenant dealt with was;
#1. The manner in which God's Laws are administered, (He writes His Laws on our hearts instead of having to hear them from the scribes)
#2. The manner in which sins are forgiven. (No more Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. Jesus forgives our sins with His Own Blood once and for all.)
This is true, The Ten Commandments can never be nullified. But The Teaching that God didn't instruct us to Love Him and each other in the Old Testament in not accurate as far as actual scripture is concerned and Jesus pointed this out in the verse you quoted.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The Jews never followed God's Laws with all their might. Joshua and Caleb did, Abel did, Abraham did, Daniel did, Stephen did, Cornelius did, Paul did. But the Pharisees did not.
23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.
Every doctrine built on the belief that the Jews were trying to obey the letter of the law is flawed.
I don't mean to be argumentative, I respect your point of view. I hope you can see the point of this post.
thanks again for your thoughtful reply.
Hi Louis.
What I was trying to ask is whether
Matthew 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Was that fulfilled on the day of Pentecost?
Acts 2:5-12
The Crowd's Response
5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”
I have heard some say that those in Acts week heard the Gospel and believed it would have taken it back with them and preached it.
Of course we are looking at the early church and there is a view that the apostles thought Jesus was going to return very soon.
So I was just asking what your thoughts were concerning the above.
Bill
What I was trying to ask is whether
Matthew 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Was that fulfilled on the day of Pentecost?
Acts 2:5-12
The Crowd's Response
5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”
I have heard some say that those in Acts week heard the Gospel and believed it would have taken it back with them and preached it.
Of course we are looking at the early church and there is a view that the apostles thought Jesus was going to return very soon.
So I was just asking what your thoughts were concerning the above.
Bill
[h=2]Re: What was the "different gospel" in Galatians 1:6?l[/h]I believe Paul was teaching that “gospel” of grace plus works is false. I believe that as well.
Ephesians 2: 8,9 explains it pretty well.
I'm in the process of reading the bible through once more. Where I am now is Leviticus. To me it is quite plain that no human can nor could they back then keep all the laws and commands God spoke. This is why the perfect Lamb of God had to be sacrificed for the redemption of all mankind.
Further, I believe the Law was like a schoolmaster which led mankind to the perfect Lamb of God, Christ Jesus.
The only prerequisite for salvation is believing in/on Jesus Christ and accepting the grace/gift of God Almighty, maker of heaven and earth. Works will come from a saved heart but works cannot save a lost soul.
Ephesians 2: 8,9 explains it pretty well.
I'm in the process of reading the bible through once more. Where I am now is Leviticus. To me it is quite plain that no human can nor could they back then keep all the laws and commands God spoke. This is why the perfect Lamb of God had to be sacrificed for the redemption of all mankind.
Further, I believe the Law was like a schoolmaster which led mankind to the perfect Lamb of God, Christ Jesus.
The only prerequisite for salvation is believing in/on Jesus Christ and accepting the grace/gift of God Almighty, maker of heaven and earth. Works will come from a saved heart but works cannot save a lost soul.
John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
Paul didn't say "law of Moses". He said He was a Pharisee so anyone who understands scriptures know he wasn't following God's Laws, but the mainstream traditions and doctrines of man. "We have a Law" they said, it just wasn't the Law of Moses.
You want to preach the Pharisees who killed the prophets and stoned Stephen, who murdered the perfect human in Jesus the Christ, are just another run of the mill sinner like the Gentiles, you go ahead. If you want to preach that your version of this one sentence nullifies the Word's of Jesus and His Father regarding the Pharisees you are free to do so.
I am glad for the discussion and am grateful for the opportunity to share what He, in His Grace and Mercy, has shown me. If not for you, then maybe for others who are reading.
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
Paul didn't say "law of Moses". He said He was a Pharisee so anyone who understands scriptures know he wasn't following God's Laws, but the mainstream traditions and doctrines of man. "We have a Law" they said, it just wasn't the Law of Moses.
You want to preach the Pharisees who killed the prophets and stoned Stephen, who murdered the perfect human in Jesus the Christ, are just another run of the mill sinner like the Gentiles, you go ahead. If you want to preach that your version of this one sentence nullifies the Word's of Jesus and His Father regarding the Pharisees you are free to do so.
I am glad for the discussion and am grateful for the opportunity to share what He, in His Grace and Mercy, has shown me. If not for you, then maybe for others who are reading.
You are mistaken in believing that only the Levitical Priesthood was changed (actually nullified since the order of Melchizedek had no relation to the Levitical Priesthood).
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. (Heb 7:12)
1. GIFTS, OFFERINGS, AND SACRIFICES ON EARTH NULLIFIED
For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. (Heb 8:3).
2. THE OLD COVENANT NULLIFIED
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. (Heb 8:13)
3. ORDINANCES OF DIVINE SERVICE NULLIFIED
Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. (Heb 9:1)
4. THE TABERNACLE/SANCTUARY (TEMPLE) NULLIFIED
For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. (Heb 9:2)
5. CARNAL ORDINANCES NULLIFIED (FEASTS & FESTIVALS INCLUDED)
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Heb 9:10)
6. THE SHED BLOOD OF ANIMALS NULLIFIED
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. (Heb 9:12)
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. (Heb 7:12)
1. GIFTS, OFFERINGS, AND SACRIFICES ON EARTH NULLIFIED
For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. (Heb 8:3).
2. THE OLD COVENANT NULLIFIED
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. (Heb 8:13)
3. ORDINANCES OF DIVINE SERVICE NULLIFIED
Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. (Heb 9:1)
4. THE TABERNACLE/SANCTUARY (TEMPLE) NULLIFIED
For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. (Heb 9:2)
5. CARNAL ORDINANCES NULLIFIED (FEASTS & FESTIVALS INCLUDED)
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Heb 9:10)
6. THE SHED BLOOD OF ANIMALS NULLIFIED
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. (Heb 9:12)
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Hi again BillG,
I do not believe the end of the current world order under Satan came to end on the day of Pentecost.
Satan's world governments continue to this day, and will continue until he makes his last stand through the beast whom he will invest with his power.
Revelation 12:12 [FONT="]Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wr[/FONT][FONT="]ath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.[/FONT]
Revelation 13:2 [FONT="]And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.[/FONT]
4 [FONT="]And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?[/FONT]
I do not believe the end of the current world order under Satan came to end on the day of Pentecost.
Satan's world governments continue to this day, and will continue until he makes his last stand through the beast whom he will invest with his power.
Revelation 12:12 [FONT="]Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wr[/FONT][FONT="]ath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.[/FONT]
Revelation 13:2 [FONT="]And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.[/FONT]
4 [FONT="]And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?[/FONT]
Dear Marcelo, I would like to respond to your original post. The other gospel or the perversion of the gospel of Christ was always about the Pharisees going around everywhere teaching that those who accepted the gospel had to be circumcised according to Mosaic law. In Paul's letter to the Galatians, that's all it was about and Paul was really angry about it and stressed grace over law in his argument.
"Gal. 6:12,13,15 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law."
"Gal. 5:2-4 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."
To say the very least, Paul was a very passionate guy!
"Gal. 6:12,13,15 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law."
"Gal. 5:2-4 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."
To say the very least, Paul was a very passionate guy!
Those words were meant for those who would rather follow their understanding of the law than rely on the Lord Jesus Christ and the fruit He produces in our lives.
And for people who believe there is a choice, they are choosing to be foolish. They are choosing to follow a law that cannot perfect them, instead of coming to the One who can perfect them and give them Rest.
I know most people are really worried about being offensive to others. When it comes to Christ and His Grace I am not worried about offending people. It seems like its only the ones who don't know Christ and His Grace that are the ones who become offended.
They don't need to be offended. They just need to come to Christ. Pray for wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 8:1-4
[FONT="]1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[/FONT]
4 [FONT="]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[/FONT]Fear doesn't save. The Lord Jesus Christ saves.
And for people who believe there is a choice, they are choosing to be foolish. They are choosing to follow a law that cannot perfect them, instead of coming to the One who can perfect them and give them Rest.
I know most people are really worried about being offensive to others. When it comes to Christ and His Grace I am not worried about offending people. It seems like its only the ones who don't know Christ and His Grace that are the ones who become offended.
They don't need to be offended. They just need to come to Christ. Pray for wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 8:1-4
[FONT="]1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[/FONT]
4 [FONT="]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[/FONT]Fear doesn't save. The Lord Jesus Christ saves.
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non responsive,
you still have not said what churhc you attend
you ignore the fact that paul said according to THE LAW, he was found blameless.
Finally second to last paragraph is laughable. 1st off. All sinne4rs are in the same category, dead. It does not matter if your a jew, a pharisee, a saducee, a catholic as christian, a Muslim, whatever you claim to follow if your a sinner your dead, and your all in the same boat. Headed to hell unless you repent. Second, My version of nice sentence? I just posted what paul said, if you do not like it, that is up to you.
As for your last paragraph, I agree, I am clad we have these conversations so people can see what is really going on here. And see that you do not understand what the law is, what a pharisee is, WHat the gospel is, And will not admit what churhc you go to (you have something to hide)
you still have not said what churhc you attend
you ignore the fact that paul said according to THE LAW, he was found blameless.
Finally second to last paragraph is laughable. 1st off. All sinne4rs are in the same category, dead. It does not matter if your a jew, a pharisee, a saducee, a catholic as christian, a Muslim, whatever you claim to follow if your a sinner your dead, and your all in the same boat. Headed to hell unless you repent. Second, My version of nice sentence? I just posted what paul said, if you do not like it, that is up to you.
As for your last paragraph, I agree, I am clad we have these conversations so people can see what is really going on here. And see that you do not understand what the law is, what a pharisee is, WHat the gospel is, And will not admit what churhc you go to (you have something to hide)
Dear Grandpa, Paul was a deep thinker and his theology was a bit complex. Even Peter commented on it (2 Pet. 3:16). He did a complete 180 from being a militant Pharisee in defense of the law to a militant advocate of Jesus Christ. I know a little something of what that's like. It's completely understandable. So Paul's teachings in Romans are comprehensive dealing with both law and grace.
Romans 1 teaches us about the unrighteousness of man and the righteous judgment of God against sinners.
Romans 2 teaches us that not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 3 teaches us that by the law is the knowledge of sin so we're all condemned as sinners but by God's grace we're granted redemption of our sins through "faith" in Jesus Christ. Jesus is the justifier of all those who "believe" in him. The key words here are "faith" and "believe". If you don't have "faith" or "believe", you are judged by the law.
Romans 4 teaches us that we are all the children of Abraham through our "faith".
Romans 5 teaches us that we are justified by "faith".
Romans 6 teaches us that we are made free from sin (redemption) and became the servants of righteousness but to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death (law) or of obedience unto righteousness (faith).
Romans 7 teaches us that the commandment convicts us of sin. By its nature, the law is holy and good because it causes us to follow it despite our natural tendency to do evil. With our mind we serve the law of God but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8 teaches us that God sent Jesus to condemn sin in the flesh (our propitiation) that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us. He became our righteousness. We all have broken the law but we are covered or forgiven by "faith" in Jesus Christ. If the Spirit of God that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, the Spirit shall also raise you up. The Spirit dwells in those who "believe". But if you live after the flesh (sin) ye shall die (law).
Romans 9 teaches us that Israel which followed after the law of righteousness, had not attained to the law of righteousness because they sought it not by "faith" but by the works of the law.
Romans 10 teaches us that Israel tried to establish their own righteousness by not submitting themselves unto the righteousness of God. They did the works of the law without "faith". And Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that "believeth". If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and "shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead," thou shalt be saved otherwise you're under the law and condemnation.
Romans 11 teaches us that Israel was cast down because of "unbelief" and we stand by "faith".
Romans 12 teaches us to be transformed by the renewing of our mind that we may know the will of God.
Romans 13 teaches us to put on the Lord Jesus Christ and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. We are to follow righteousness and not sin.
Romans 14 teaches us not to judge others.
Romans 15 teaches us to edify each other, learn through the scriptures and be filled with knowledge.
Reading Romans I've learned that I'm a sinner by nature but I have redemption through Jesus Christ who is the propitiation for my sin. But I must no longer live in sin or I am under the law and judged by it. I am justified by faith but it's not enough to confess Jesus Christ with my mouth. I must also believe from the heart that God raised him from the dead. If I believe, the Spirit that raised up Jesus shall also raise me up. After we accept Jesus, we can no longer willfully sin or we are condemned by the law. If we stand by faith, we will no longer fulfill the lusts of the flesh. To have faith and to believe from the heart is really important. Without this, we're lost. I heard of Jesus Christ many years before I knew him. There's a big difference between hearing and knowing. In hearing, there's a doubt. In knowing there's faith.
"Psalm 115:11 Ye that fear the Lord, trust in the Lord: he is their help and their shield."
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Romans 1 teaches us about the unrighteousness of man and the righteous judgment of God against sinners.
Romans 2 teaches us that not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 3 teaches us that by the law is the knowledge of sin so we're all condemned as sinners but by God's grace we're granted redemption of our sins through "faith" in Jesus Christ. Jesus is the justifier of all those who "believe" in him. The key words here are "faith" and "believe". If you don't have "faith" or "believe", you are judged by the law.
Romans 4 teaches us that we are all the children of Abraham through our "faith".
Romans 5 teaches us that we are justified by "faith".
Romans 6 teaches us that we are made free from sin (redemption) and became the servants of righteousness but to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death (law) or of obedience unto righteousness (faith).
Romans 7 teaches us that the commandment convicts us of sin. By its nature, the law is holy and good because it causes us to follow it despite our natural tendency to do evil. With our mind we serve the law of God but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8 teaches us that God sent Jesus to condemn sin in the flesh (our propitiation) that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us. He became our righteousness. We all have broken the law but we are covered or forgiven by "faith" in Jesus Christ. If the Spirit of God that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, the Spirit shall also raise you up. The Spirit dwells in those who "believe". But if you live after the flesh (sin) ye shall die (law).
Romans 9 teaches us that Israel which followed after the law of righteousness, had not attained to the law of righteousness because they sought it not by "faith" but by the works of the law.
Romans 10 teaches us that Israel tried to establish their own righteousness by not submitting themselves unto the righteousness of God. They did the works of the law without "faith". And Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that "believeth". If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and "shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead," thou shalt be saved otherwise you're under the law and condemnation.
Romans 11 teaches us that Israel was cast down because of "unbelief" and we stand by "faith".
Romans 12 teaches us to be transformed by the renewing of our mind that we may know the will of God.
Romans 13 teaches us to put on the Lord Jesus Christ and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. We are to follow righteousness and not sin.
Romans 14 teaches us not to judge others.
Romans 15 teaches us to edify each other, learn through the scriptures and be filled with knowledge.
Reading Romans I've learned that I'm a sinner by nature but I have redemption through Jesus Christ who is the propitiation for my sin. But I must no longer live in sin or I am under the law and judged by it. I am justified by faith but it's not enough to confess Jesus Christ with my mouth. I must also believe from the heart that God raised him from the dead. If I believe, the Spirit that raised up Jesus shall also raise me up. After we accept Jesus, we can no longer willfully sin or we are condemned by the law. If we stand by faith, we will no longer fulfill the lusts of the flesh. To have faith and to believe from the heart is really important. Without this, we're lost. I heard of Jesus Christ many years before I knew him. There's a big difference between hearing and knowing. In hearing, there's a doubt. In knowing there's faith.
"Psalm 115:11 Ye that fear the Lord, trust in the Lord: he is their help and their shield."
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