What was the nature of Adams death?

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Churinga

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Was it Physical or was it Spiritual.
 

Magenta

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Both. Adam's death was both Spiritual, and physical.

We are born in Adam spiritually dead... and need to be born again of the Spirit in order to live.
 
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It was both my friend. He died spiritually that very moment and then physically at the ripe old age of 930.
 

Embankment

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Adam’s sin brought spiritual death to man.
It is a huge leap to say that his death brought physical changes to the earth and man such as natural disasters and diseases.
 
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Adam’s sin brought spiritual death to man.
It is a huge leap to say that his death brought physical changes to the earth and man such as natural disasters and diseases.
17 And he said to the man, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘Do not eat from it’:

The ground is cursed because of you.
You will eat from it by means of painful labor[e]
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 You will eat bread[f] by the sweat of your brow
until you return to the ground,
since you were taken from it.
For you are dust,
and you will return to dust.”(Genesis 3)

It does appear there was a change in the earth after the fall my friend.
 

posthuman

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Adam’s sin brought spiritual death to man.
It is a huge leap to say that his death brought physical changes to the earth and man such as natural disasters and diseases.
has the universe always been subject to entropy?

For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.
(Romans 8:19-22)

what's this about?

And unto Adam he said, because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, thou shalt not eat of it:
cursed is the ground for thy sake . . .
(Genesis 3:17)

"
cursed is the ground" for Adam's sake.

what does that mean?
 

JaumeJ

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Adam’s sin brought spiritual death to man.
It is a huge leap to say that his death brought physical changes to the earth and man such as natural disasters and diseases.

Reading in the Old Testment we find the prophecy 2The earth lies polluted under its inhabitants for the fruit of their doing." I believe that is accurate as a description of what the world, allied to corruption, is headed for.

Mankind causes most of what is going on in the imbalancing of the natural order set down by our Father for mankind does not regard the will of our Father while those who know Jesus do their best to not upset the balance He gave freely to mankind.
 

Embankment

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has the universe always been subject to entropy?

For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.
(Romans 8:19-22)

what's this about?

And unto Adam he said, because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, thou shalt not eat of it:
cursed is the ground for thy sake . . .
(Genesis 3:17)

"cursed is the ground" for Adam's sake.

what does that mean?
It means man is out of favor with God and must find his on way, it will be hard for him.
 

Embankment

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17 And he said to the man, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘Do not eat from it’:

The ground is cursed because of you.
You will eat from it by means of painful labor[e]
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 You will eat bread[f] by the sweat of your brow
until you return to the ground,
since you were taken from it.
For you are dust,
and you will return to dust.”(Genesis 3)

It does appear there was a change in the earth after the fall my friend.
That is the world outside of God’s grace. All the offspring will suffer apart from God.
 

Lillywolf

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Was it Physical or was it Spiritual.
Both. First the spiritual and until the second Adam, Christ.
And of course naturally the physical.
Romans 5 (The Mounce version is linked so as to share the Greek text that pertains to this passage. It is easier to copy the ESV version for display here. The Footnotes references , [e], and so forth remain linked.)
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men[e] because all sinned—13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.

15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. 16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. 17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

18 Therefore, as one trespass[f] led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness[g] leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. 20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.





Genesis 5:5
Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.
 

prove-all

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Sin came alive and - I died

Romans 7:7-12 “What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means!
Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not
have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me
all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.

9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came,
sin came alive and - I died. The very commandment that promised life
proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity through the
commandment, deceived me and through it - killed me.

I wonder if it killed Paul in the same way that Adam surely died, on that day.?
 

Lillywolf

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Sin came alive and - I died

Romans 7:7-12 “What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means!
Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not
have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me
all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.

9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came,
sin came alive and - I died. The very commandment that promised life
proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity through the
commandment, deceived me and through it - killed me.

I wonder if it killed Paul in the same way that Adam surely died, on that day.?
No, actually, Paul died by the law of Rome and through execution, beheading, during emperor Nero's reign sometime around 67 A.D..
 

Lillywolf

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The Genesis account of Adam and Eve in the garden speaks of sin entering the world through Adam's disobedience. The passages do not state that that disobedience of Adam, after Eve disobeyed first, then was layed on all of humanity. That Adam's sin passed to all humanity.
Rather, what the Genesis passages tell us is that sin and spiritual death entered into the world. They do not say we inherited Adam's sin.
Adam's sin was his own.
Sin, however is a definitive offense. Spiritual death is that which transpired when Adam and Eve became aware of their flesh and the passion within it was aroused when they consumed the fruit that made them aware of the dichotomy of nature and themselves. Obedience, disobedience. Which is why after eating of the fruit they became aware they were naked and were ashamed. When they had always been naked before but knew not that there was a right or wrongness to it.
 

prove-all

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No, actually, Paul died by the law of Rome and through execution,
beheading, during emperor Nero's reign sometime around 67 A.D..
No, actually, His physical death has nothing to do with Romans 7:7-12,
this was a spiritual death, if you care to read first before posting.
 

Lillywolf

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No, actually, His physical death has nothing to do with Romans 7:7-12,
this was a spiritual death, if you care to read first before posting.
Actually, I did care to read first. That's why I responded. However, I do not care for one that thinks Smart alek remarks are becoming. So I will leave you to your own understanding among your few allies who sound just like you.
 

Sketch

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Was it Physical or was it Spiritual.
What was the nature of Adams death?
This is a great question.

If it is in reference to the Fall of humankind, "... on the day you eat thereof..." I would say spiritual.
Obviously Adam did not dies a physical death on the day he ate.

Also, God puts humankind out of the garden to prevent them from eating from the Tree of Life. (and live forever)
But this too is a mystery, because we are eternal beings. Our souls will live forever. Or should I say exist?
There is both eternal life and eternal death.
 

prove-all

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Actually, I did care to read first. That's why I responded.
However, I do not care for one that thinks Smart alek remarks are becoming.
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I still see no connection to Paul's physical death by Romans in that verse.
And I only replied to you, the same reply you gave me in the first place.


The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. ?
 
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He died physically the same as the rest of mankind
I never said anything contrary to this. When he died spiritually, he did that while still in the Garden my friend. But 930 years later was when he died physically.
 

Locutus

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It was spiritual death which is symbolized by his being kicked out of Eden, which denied him access to the tree of life which is a figure of the holy spirit which Christians receive.

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Obviously, Christians have been dying since Pentecost when the HS was given, therefore the penalty paid by Christ's substitutionary death was not physical death but to bring man back into a living relationship with God and access to the tree of life.