What was the original purpose for sex?

[songster]

Certainly the original purpose for sex was not exclusive pleasure but procreation:

Genesis 38

6And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar.
7And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
8And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his lest that he should give seed to his brother. brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, 10And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

I don´t mean masturbators should be killed, but it`s certainly a sin.

Sorry, my friend, that would be a misinterpretation of that scripture. While I agree that masturbation is a form of sexual immorality, not simply because of the act itself, but because it is usually connected to pornography or fantasy, the scripture you chose is not depicting God's displeasure with masturbation.

This scripture is expressing God's displeasure only with Onan's unwillingness to raise up seed on his brother's behalf, and his clever disobedience. Onan's act was not masturbatory, he simply did not complete the act of sexual intercourse.

If we use this scripture to support an argument against masturbation, simply because the seed was spilled, every man would be guilty of sinning or becoming unclean each time they had an involuntary ejaculation. Correct interpretation is very important.

In addition, masturbation is not a form of sexual intercourse. I believe your argument, from the beginning, was surrounding procreative sex versus non-procreative sex (between a man and woman). Masturbation, homosexuality, and other deviations from sexual intercourse fall under the category of perversion.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Jesus also taught that exclusive pleasure or masturbation is a sin:

Matthew 5
27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[e] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Your conclusion is not supported by this passgae. You are applying a rather graphic interpretation to the "hand" referance. Notice that the referance to the eye is closer to the referance to lust. This passage is not advising self mutilation, but rather that things that other might have freedom regarding might not be so to the one who led astray by them. Better to go through life without that particular freedom then to be led into hell by it.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Sorry, my friend, that would be a misinterpretation of that scripture. While I agree that masturbation is a form of sexual immorality, not simply because of the act itself, but because it is usually connected to pornography or fantasy, the scripture you chose is not depicting God's displeasure with masturbation.

This scripture is expressing God's displeasure only with Onan's unwillingness to raise up seed on his brother's behalf, and his clever disobedience. Onan's act was not masturbatory, he simply did not complete the act of sexual intercourse.

If we use this scripture to support an argument against masturbation, simply because the seed was spilled, every man would be guilty of sinning or becoming unclean each time they had an involuntary ejaculation. Correct interpretation is very important.

In addition, masturbation is not a form of sexual intercourse. I believe your argument, from the beginning, was surrounding procreative sex versus non-procreative sex (between a man and woman). Masturbation, homosexuality, and other deviations from sexual intercourse fall under the category of perversion.

I agree. The argument must be made on other basis.

 

[Graybeard]

Sword, you take delight in twisting the Word to suite your twisted ideas. This argument is pathetic to say the least and I wonder what motivates you to think this way, I also wonder what sought of upbringing you must have had. Get a life!...is all I can and will say.

 

[songster]

Sword, you take delight in twisting the Word to suite your twisted ideas. This argument is pathetic to say the least and I wonder what motivates you to think this way, I also wonder what sought of upbringing you must have had. Get a life!...is all I can and will say.

Apart from Swords original source (Ellis), which is simply not credible, I do believe that Sword has presented an interesting point, worthy of discussion. It has begun to go slightly off topic with the introduction of perversion, but the original post did cause me to think.

If it were not for Paul's letters to the Corinthians, I would have had a difficult time reconciling the idea of using contraceptives and surgeries to create a 'pleasure only' sex life.

I believe that discussions such as this cause us to search scripture, and whether we agree or disagree with the individual's original post, it forces us to confront, and clarify our own beliefs.

 

[sword]

I know this is not a popular topic but someone has to deal with it. I would add that sexual pleasure without love is a sin no matter if you`re single or married.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

I know this is not a popular topic but someone has to deal with it. I would add that sexual pleasure without love is a sin no matter if you`re single or married.

I think that you, in particular, need to deal with it. Most have no problem with God creating sex for more than one purpose. We have discussed this for over 50 posts. I think, whatever you are dealing with, it would be more appropriate for you to take it outside the chatroom setting. There are those who can help you find the answers that you seek.

 

[Graybeard]

Apart from Swords original source (Ellis), which is simply not credible, I do believe that Sword has presented an interesting point, worthy of discussion. It has begun to go slightly off topic with the introduction of perversion, but the original post did cause me to think.

If it were not for Paul's letters to the Corinthians, I would have had a difficult time reconciling the idea of using contraceptives and surgeries to create a 'pleasure only' sex life.

I believe that discussions such as this cause us to search scripture, and whether we agree or disagree with the individual's original post, it forces us to confront, and clarify our own beliefs.

you may have a point, but contraceptives is a whole different issue.

 

[songster]

I know this is not a popular topic but someone has to deal with it. I would add that sexual pleasure without love is a sin no matter if you`re single or married.

Thanks for the discussion Sword. I think that you undoubtedly have a few life changing epiphanies in store for you, if you ever decide to marry. Speaking/writing about these things, is one thing. Living them is a little different.

I've enjoyed the discussion, and it's always nice to meet another believer in Christ Jesus.

 

[sword]

Even though non-procreative sex may be permissible in married couples it`s certainly not recommendable because of the health risks involved in the use of contraceptives (cervical cancer, liver cancer, prostate cancer and who knows what else).
Happy New Year Brothers and Sisters in Christ ! Yes, for you too.

 

[songster]

Even though non-procreative sex may be permissible in married couples it`s certainly not recommendable because of the health risks involved in the use of contraceptives (cervical cancer, liver cancer, prostate cancer and who knows what else).
Happy New Year Brothers and Sisters in Christ ! Yes, for you too.

I think I'm with 'Graybeard' on this one. Contraceptives, and other birth control methods, are subjects for another discussion, separate from the procreative vs non-procreative sex discussion. If you ever start a thread on contraceptive use, I'll be there.

Thanks again

 

[Graybeard]

Happy New Year Brothers and Sisters in Christ ! Yes, for you too.

and a Happy New Year to you too...may you meet a woman who sweeps you off your feet into the realm of marriage where you will face the ultimate challenge of your thoughts.