What were the transgressions?

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Grandpa

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Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The law was given because of transgressions against God. What exactly were these transgressions?
 
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Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The law was given because of transgressions against God. What exactly were these transgressions?
just coming up with a quick thought.

transgressions was sin (breaking the law)

I think it was given to keep men humble and guilty, so they could see the messiah and his true purpose when he came. and keep their eyes on God, with a humble heart, unlike the proud heart the people of Israel had for centuries.
 

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Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The law was given because of transgressions against God. What exactly were these transgressions?
Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

These are the trangressions

God Bless
 

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just coming up with a quick thought.

transgressions was sin (breaking the law)

I think it was given to keep men humble and guilty, so they could see the messiah and his true purpose when he came. and keep their eyes on God, with a humble heart, unlike the proud heart the people of Israel had for centuries.
The law was given because of transgressions. These transgressions happened before the law was given.

As an example, the golden calf was a transgression against God. What else was considered by God to be a transgression, BEFORE the law was given?
 
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I liked your comment but it raised a question for me as to:If one had to find the common denominator to all the transgressions the Bible lists, what would it be?

See if you can agree with this as the basis for all transgressions: Serving our self through life is to transgress against God; To serve the whole of the body is to be in alignment with God.

Consider this: If God Rules us by doing everything possible for us or so-to-say serving us, should we not serve each other with the same heart?

Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

These are the trangressions

God Bless
 
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The law was given because of transgressions. These transgressions happened before the law was given.

As an example, the golden calf was a transgression against God. What else was considered by God to be a transgression, BEFORE the law was given?

just to name a few

murder
idolotry
eating a particular fruit (although God removed that temptation when he kicked adam and eve out of the garden, and this one caused the fall of mankind)
Giving a sacrifice of our works, and not of blood
divorce, sexual sin (a man and woman become one)

hmm How is that for a few?
 

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The law was given because of transgressions. These transgressions happened before the law was given.

As an example, the golden calf was a transgression against God. What else was considered by God to be a transgression, BEFORE the law was given?
The Law given was the Law concerning sacrifices. The Ten Commandments were already in force...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Proof...

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Remember Rom 5:13? What was the sin that lay at the door?

Gen 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Adultery:

Gen 20:6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.

Gen 20:9 Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done.

How about Joseph?

Gen 39:7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
Gen 39:8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
Gen 39:9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

What was added was sacrifices...

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
 

Grandpa

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just to name a few

murder
idolotry
eating a particular fruit (although God removed that temptation when he kicked adam and eve out of the garden, and this one caused the fall of mankind)
Giving a sacrifice of our works, and not of blood
divorce, sexual sin (a man and woman become one)

hmm How is that for a few?
You are technically correct. But I am looking at why the Law was given to Israel when it was given. Why was it not given it to Abraham or Abel or Noah. What were the transgressions of the children of Israel that caused the law to be given to them.

The Lord has His Timing and His Instruction. The children of Israel were our examples.

Romans 5:20-21
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

The law entered so that idolatry would be seen for what it was. It wasn't just some golden accident... We can see in organized religion today that some still want to create their dumb idol and have everyone worship it. There is nothing new under the sun...
 

Grandpa

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The Law given was the Law concerning sacrifices. The Ten Commandments were already in force...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Proof...

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Remember Rom 5:13? What was the sin that lay at the door?

Gen 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Adultery:

Gen 20:6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.

Gen 20:9 Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done.

How about Joseph?

Gen 39:7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
Gen 39:8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
Gen 39:9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

What was added was sacrifices...

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
How would the law of sacrifice cause sin to abound? The law of sacrifice doesn't cause sin to be magnified.
The law of sacrifice was supposed to be the appeasement of sin. It would cause sin to be atoned for, the exact opposite of what the 10 commandments do.

The 10 commandments is what causes sin to be magnified. How? Because of knowledge. Now all that stuff you didn't even know was sin before, now you know.
 
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You are technically correct. But I am looking at why the Law was given to Israel when it was given. Why was it not given it to Abraham or Abel or Noah. What were the transgressions of the children of Israel that caused the law to be given to them.

The Lord has His Timing and His Instruction. The children of Israel were our examples.

Romans 5:20-21
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

The law entered so that idolatry would be seen for what it was. It wasn't just some golden accident... We can see in organized religion today that some still want to create their dumb idol and have everyone worship it. There is nothing new under the sun...
lol. I was just going to ask John this same question.
 
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The law was given because of transgressions. These transgressions happened before the law was given.

As an example, the golden calf was a transgression against God. What else was considered by God to be a transgression, BEFORE the law was given?
Which law are you talking about? BEFORE the Noahic Law or Mosiac Law?
 
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The Law given was the Law concerning sacrifices. The Ten Commandments were already in force...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Proof...

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Remember Rom 5:13? What was the sin that lay at the door?

Gen 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Adultery:

Gen 20:6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.

Gen 20:9 Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done.

How about Joseph?

Gen 39:7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
Gen 39:8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
Gen 39:9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

What was added was sacrifices...

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
I'd say the law of punishment. In the book of Daniel part of his prayer goes like this:
....Therefore the curses and sworn judgments written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against you. You have fulfilled the words spoken against us and against our rulers by bringing on us great disaster. Under the whole heaven nothing has ever been done like what has been done to Jerusalem. Just as it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come on us, yet we have not sought the favor of the Lord our God by turning from our sins and giving attention to your truth. The Lord did not hesitate to bring the disaster on us, for the Lord our God is righteous in everything he does; yet we have not obeyed him....

Animal sacrifices could only do so much until the real McCoy comes.
 
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The law.

The 10 Commandments.
Thank you for clarifying, now go back through Genesis 5-11 and you will find transgressions before the time Of Moses and the 10 commandments. God had instituted Law well before the Mosaic covenant and Mosiac Law.

Before Moses came Noah, Abraham and even Job.
 

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How would the law of sacrifice cause sin to abound? The law of sacrifice doesn't cause sin to be magnified.
The law of sacrifice was supposed to be the appeasement of sin. It would cause sin to be atoned for, the exact opposite of what the 10 commandments do.

The 10 commandments is what causes sin to be magnified. How? Because of knowledge. Now all that stuff you didn't even know was sin before, now you know.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Let's take this verse apart and examine it...

1) Wherefore then serveth the law?

OK, what is the purpose of the Ten Commandments?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

They define sin.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

2) It was added because of transgressions

Now transgressions already existed. Can we have trangressions without the Law (the Ten commandments)? No...

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

There is no transgression without Law...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

So for transgressions to have existed, the Law must be in force. Cain was told that sin (transgression) lay at the door. If that was the case then Law had to have existed.

What was added because sin was already taking place?

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Yet, God added a Law because people were already breaking Laws. What did He add? He added sin offerings. One example...

Exo 29:36 And thou shalt offer every day a bullock for a sin offering for atonement: and thou shalt cleanse the altar, when thou hast made an atonement for it, and thou shalt anoint it, to sanctify it.

3) till the seed should come to whom the promise was made

How long was the Law of sacrifices? Until Christ came...

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

It is obvious from this that animal sacrifices were not to pay for our sins but rather to point to Christ. They were the schoolmaster to lead us to Christ...

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

What promise? The forgivenenss of sin, justification and salvation as outlined in Rom 5:8-10

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Faith in God for grace was not available to all under the Old Covenant.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Again, back to Hebrews 10:1-10

Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

After faith in the sacrifice of Christ, we no longer need sacrifices as a yearly reminder that a perfect sacrifice is yet to come, it is a reality...

Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

4) and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

So, the Law that was added was the Law of sacrifices as a reminder that the perfect sacrifice was to come.
 
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The Law was given so that humanity would have no excuse in realizing their depravity. That no one could say, "but I do not know what sin is."
In the same way, today, humanity has no excuse in rejecting the grace and truth revealed in Jesus Christ, because of the witness of his resurrection and the testimony of the New Testament.
Just a thought.
 
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Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The law was given because of transgressions against God. What exactly were these transgressions?
What were the Israelite's doing while Moses was up receiving the commandments ? Go farther back, and what were they doing then?
 
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God is LOVE! As such we are to love one another. When we break THAT covenant as when Cain killed Abel, a WRITTEN law had to be added for people to see that KILLING ANOTHER WAS WRONG. That is what was broken in the beginning, upon which the law ("thou shalt not do's) was added upon.

If love stood in the beginning, there would be no need to write down what we shouldn't do.
 

Grandpa

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What were the Israelite's doing while Moses was up receiving the commandments ? Go farther back, and what were they doing then?
Yes. Exactly what I was getting at.

They were worshipping an Idol.

Before that they were murmuring against Gods provision, manna from Heaven.

They rejected Gods Chosen High Priest, Aaron.

There are more. The Law was given to Magnify these transgressions.

What are the other ones?

If the jews that came out of Egypt are given for our example shouldn't we find out EXACTLY what their transgressions were so we don't repeat them?

I would think this should be especially important to the ones who are still under law...
 

Grandpa

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I bet Abel disagrees with you John. I know I sure do. Abel was murdered before the law was given. That's definitely gotta be a transgression. You didn't know you could transgress without a law saying stop doing it? That's pretty much why we have laws. Because people transgress others and in an attempt to get them to stop doing it, laws are made.

As far as the purpose of the Law it is our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. The Law magnifies our sin and shows us there is only one solution. The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.