When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

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oyster67

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All of them, seeing that there's no more Literal Israel....unless they've been hiding out for the past 2,000 years somewhere preserving their DNA, right?

C'mon, how can any thinking person entertain the notion that all 12 tribes of Israel are still around, when common sense tells us they've disappeared into the murky waters of the global gene pool?
They have been hiding out☺️
 

Phoneman-777

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He does not believe God will keep his promise to spiritual Israel., that we can be adopted in then kicked out again,

Why would he expect him to to believe God will keep his earthly promise to Abraham Isaac and Jacob, his sons and all who have been born of them.
That's right...plug your ears and get in that echo chamber. Let's just pretend the 10 tribes are totally lost in the murky waters of the gene pool, ignore what the Khazars did in history, and then believe that Judah's DNA was preserved somehow (cryogenics?) for almost 2,000 years. History and common sense say otherwise, though.
 

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ZECH.12 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn."

ROM. 11 "And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob. 27And this is My covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs.… "
Prophecy is conditional, as in the case of Jonah. Literal Israel failed to get it straight, and now Spiritual Israel that we can see will be the recipient of those promises, according to Romans 15.

However, Literal Israel that has disappeared into the murky waters of the polluted global gene pool is lost. Good gravy, the Samaritans were only 500 year old "half breeds" by the time of Jesus, and the Jews wanted nothing to do with them...what about 1,500 more years of genetic displacement and dilution?
 

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Yes, He did! It was the nation that was born in a day. Khazars are a myth! Debunked!
Nah, God had nothing to do with 1948 for two reasons: Jesus' murderers had never repented as a nation, and those people over there are proven to be the descendants of the pagan Khazarian Empire, a truth that will be declared "debunked" only by themselves and the deluded Christians who are duped into supporting them financially and otherwise.

Support Christ and His people, the true "Abraham's seed" which is the Christian church, according to Galatians 3:29 KJV

I notice all you guys do is post OT promises to Israel which their unbelief prevented from being fulfilled by God, but never address Galatians 3:29 KJV, which totally disproves your position.
 

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No such thing, another myth. Spiritual Israel is not the church, that's replacement theology heresy. Even the Catholics repented of it. Dude you're lost in the stone age with old myths and heresy that have nothing to do with the Word. I don't know what church you attend, but do yourself a favor, change.
Perhaps if you opened a Bible to Galatians 3:29 KJV or Galatians 6:16 KJV, you'd see how firmly established "Spiritual Israel" is in Scripture?

How about a comment on those verses? Or, will you just continue to throw around "heresy!" and "debunked!" all day?
 

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So Christ didn't die for your sins? I thought He died for our sins. Persecuted the church!! lol So you didn't know Jews were murdered in the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades? Ever hear of blood libels?! Jews have been banished from over 100 countries, just because they are Jews. They will repent, they are the remnant, that's what the Word says. Your myths and heresy won't stop God from keeping His promises to the Jews.
You spelled Khazars J-E-W-S. If you're going to be a student of prophecy, you're going to have to be a student of true history, not Revisionist Historian "Jews" who have a vested interest in debunking anything that will shut off that free flowing cash pipeline from disillusioned Christians.
 

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What is it about God the creator that makes you believe he has trouble knowing where they all are?


11 ‘“For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I myself will search for my sheep and look after them.

12 As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them, so will I look after my sheep. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness.

13 I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land.

14 I will tend them in a good pasture, and the mountain heights of Israel will be their grazing land. There they will lie down in good grazing land, and there they will feed in a rich pasture on the mountains of Israel.

15 I myself will tend my sheep and make them lie down, declares the Sovereign Lord.

16 I will search for the lost and bring back the strays. I will bind up the injured and strengthen the weak, but the sleek and the strong I will destroy. I will shepherd the flock with justice.

Ez 34
The trouble is not with God...but with low information Christians who don't understand that the only way a "literal nation of Israel" can appear on Earth now would be for God to perform a miracle because all literal descendants of Abraham have been lost through 2,500 years of displacement, slavery, rape, intermarriage, etc., of what was once Abraham's literal descendants...

...and also their failure to understand the plainly seen establishment of Spiritual Israel spoken of over and over in the NT ,which too is quite troubling.
 

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Nah, God had nothing to do with 1948 for two reasons: Jesus' murderers had never repented as a nation, and those people over there are proven to be the descendants of the pagan Khazarian Empire, a truth that will be declared "debunked" only by themselves and the deluded Christians who are duped into supporting them financially and otherwise.

Support Christ and His people, the true "Abraham's seed" which is the Christian church, according to Galatians 3:29 KJV

I notice all you guys do is post OT promises to Israel which their unbelief prevented from being fulfilled by God, but never address Galatians 3:29 KJV, which totally disproves your position.
And this my friends is anti-semitism the murders of jesus as he says.
No man takes my life but i lay it down said jesus.
You have a hatred for the jews my friend and it will not go well with you.
Must be hard for you to pray to the hebrew God and have a jewish savior but you hate his people.
 

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Gal 3 29

Paul has just described the incredible position of his Christian readers in Galatia. They, like all saved Christians, are full children of the Almighty God. They have been baptized into God's Spirit. They have put on Christ and are so completely covered by Him as to be fully identified by the Father with Christ. Finally, in Christ, they have equal value in the eyes of God, no matter their ethnicity, gender, or social status.

Now he brings this part of his case to a close by bringing it back to his earlier statement that believers in Jesus are also Abraham's offspring and heirs of the promises given to him by God (Galatians 3:7–9). More specifically, Christ is the ultimate offspring of Abraham. All the promises of God made to Abraham and his offspring flow to Christ. That's why, by being in Christ, covered by Him, identified with Him, we also become Abraham's children and heirs.

Our position before God, Paul insists, has nothing to do with following the law and everything to do with being in Christ. We have everything in Him, and nothing without Him.

Now where does it say the church is spiritual israel.???
 

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And this my friends is anti-semitism the murders of jesus as he says.
No man takes my life but i lay it down said jesus.
You have a hatred for the jews my friend and it will not go well with you.
Must be hard for you to pray to the hebrew God and have a jewish savior but you hate his people.
I assure you I hate no one.
Jesus, my Semitic Savior, loves all people and commands His disciples to love them too, according to the many wonderful Semitic authors of my favorite book - a Semitic book: the Holy Bible...a Semitic book which contains many accounts of great Semitic men like David, Samuel, Elijah, etc., who, in my opinion, are the greatest of all the great heroes of history, and I plan to spend eternity with them as my Semitic companions in Heavenly Canaan.

So, now that you know, would you stop with this redonkulous accusation, please?
 

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No. You showed what Abraham considered of most value. Not what God gave him and his family.

Gen 15:
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Gen 17:
8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in[f] which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

Sorry man. But this is NOT new jerusalem.

Once again. You have to put things in Context.
In context, the body of believers in Christ are Abrahams descendants.

It certainly Does not. It is Paul answering the argument did God make a mistake choosing Israel. It has nothing to do with Land. Otherwise he contradicts himself in Chapter 11. And we might as well through romans out of the bible
Paul said, "Has God cast away his people that he foreknew?" Look at his answer. He uses himself as an example,

And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts ofIsrael, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Isa.11:12

I have chosen you out of the world, Jn.15:19

No, Its how you interpret the covenant.
to Abraham.....the covenant.....was confirmed before of God in Christ Gal.3:16-17

The law of moses was given to one of His children.

The covenant, about blessing is given to all his seed. and all the world.

What does this have to do with the abrahamic cYoirovenant. ? Get off the law. that is not what we are discussing
Your point....your point, was how "seeds" refers to the nations of the world, but in that passage, Paul is using "seeds" only refering to Abrahams physical descendants, contrasting the two covenants. Hello?

Christ was not promised the land of canaan. The land was promised to him, Isaac and Jacob .

YOU WAKE UP!
I'm wide awake,

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him Eph.1:10

That is not my argument at all.

My argument is about the land given to Abraham Isaac and Jacob as an eternal possession.

Your trying to replace that covenant with the church. YOUR WRONG.
I'm trying to get you to see that when God call Abraham to leave Ur, he was "calling him out" (ekklēsia) of the world.
 

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I assure you I hate no one.
Jesus, my Semitic Savior, loves all people and commands His disciples to love them too, according to the many wonderful Semitic authors of my favorite book - a Semitic book: the Holy Bible...a Semitic book which contains many accounts of great Semitic men like David, Samuel, Elijah, etc., who, in my opinion, are the greatest of all the great heroes of history, and I plan to spend eternity with them as my Semitic companions in Heavenly Canaan.

So, now that you know, would you stop with this redonkulous accusation, please?
But can you love Jews who are alive now? Even the unsaved?

If you would just read and absorb Romans 11 - save me having to post the whole thing because I know people are about as likely to read whole chapters that are posted as they are if they are not posted.
 
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That's right...plug your ears and get in that echo chamber. Let's just pretend the 10 tribes are totally lost in the murky waters of the gene pool, ignore what the Khazars did in history, and then believe that Judah's DNA was preserved somehow (cryogenics?) for almost 2,000 years. History and common sense say otherwise, though.
Lol

you just proved your continued lack of faith

all of northern Israel was destroyed and scattered by assyria, yet we know God kept a remnant, there were representatives off all then in Judah, up until 70 ad.

if God could spare them then, he could do it now.

I do not have to look for ten tribes I just have to have Faith if God said he will keep a remnant so they will never be lost that he can and will

your lack of faith is here for all to see
 
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In context, the body of believers in Christ are Abrahams descendants.

Paul said, "Has God cast away his people that he foreknew?" Look at his answer. He uses himself as an example,

And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts ofIsrael, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Isa.11:12

I have chosen you out of the world, Jn.15:19

to Abraham.....the covenant.....was confirmed before of God in Christ Gal.3:16-17

Your point....your point, was how "seeds" refers to the nations of the world, but in that passage, Paul is using "seeds" only refering to Abrahams physical descendants, contrasting the two covenants. Hello?

I'm wide awake,

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him Eph.1:10


I'm trying to get you to see that when God call Abraham to leave Ur, he was "calling him out" (ekklēsia) of the world.
We have been here before,

you never respond to the passages in Genesis, so we can not even begin any kind of true discussion.

I am not playing this silly game,either respond to the passages in genesis where god not only promised all the world will be blessed through abrahams seed (Christ) which is the context you are discussing which I agree with

and yet also give one child and his descendents a plot of land (Canaan) as an eternal gift, throughout all of their generations

until you can show me how the two are not separate parts of one covenant, we have nothing more to discuss, because your on one context, and rejecting the other context, and we can never come to an agreement,
 

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All of them, seeing that there's no more Literal Israel....unless they've been hiding out for the past 2,000 years somewhere preserving their DNA, right?

C'mon, how can any thinking person entertain the notion that all 12 tribes of Israel are still around, when common sense tells us they've disappeared into the murky waters of the global gene pool?
apart from God it is impossible insomuch as it has happened by His miraculous power it PROVES the bible, it proves our case not your rubbish theory.

A study will show that it has been every attempt by the Jews to integrate into society that has brought upon them savage persecution.
 

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It's a good thing he isn't a TV man.



You are.



Where did that idea come from? I love you, but I just don't understand were you get these odd notions.
I showed you
Romans 11.15.
For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?

You see that they are to be accepted? it is there in black and white ... life from the dead is resurrection.

You will read in Daniel 12 how that after Michael stands up and delivers Israel from the great tribulation that is when the first resurrection takes place. Only they do not [like the church] go to meet the Lord in the clouds the shine here on earth as bright as the firmament and win souls.