When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

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Lucy-Pevensie

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I love everyone, including those who can't see there's no way the Israelites carried away by the Assyrians and the Romans survived as a people after their men were slaughtered and their women were raped and impregnated by pagans, forced into marriage with pagans, sold into slave service to pagans, etc. The Israelite DNA has long disappeared into the murky waters of the global pagan gene pool.

I don't think the enemy was that successful.


 

Phoneman-777

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I don't think the enemy was that successful.
Why did the Jews and the Samaritans hate each other just 600 years after the Assyrians carried away the TEN Northern tribes?

But, you're suggesting the enemy was unable to achieve the same results concerning just ONE tribe and with almost 2,000 years to get it done?
 

Evmur

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I love everyone, including those who can't see there's no way the Israelites carried away by the Assyrians and the Romans survived as a people after their men were slaughtered and their women were raped and impregnated by pagans, forced into marriage with pagans, sold into slave service to pagans, etc. The Israelite DNA has long disappeared into the murky waters of the global pagan gene pool.
if that were true God could not have made promises that relate to Israel in the last days
 

Phoneman-777

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Y'all know Isaiah was called the "Gospel Prophet" because he wrote so much about Jesus, right?

What nation that was prophesied in chapter 66 to be born in one day? Unrepentant Judah who 2,000 years ago killed Jesus and was scattered to the murky depths of the pagan gene pool just 40 years later, and somehow through some "divine de-emulsification" process emerged as "Israel" in 1948?

The Gospel Prophet was talking about the "nation bringing forth the fruits thereof" - the church - where the last Roman nail driven into our Savior was the first nail in the building of the Church, against which the gates of hell cannot and will not prevail.
 

Phoneman-777

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if that were true God could not have made promises that relate to Israel in the last days
What about the "the Israel of God" in Galatia and around the world who "walk according to this rule" which is the rule of a "new creature in Christ Jesus"?

Can people who refer to Jesus as "son of a whore" fit that description?
 

Evmur

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Paul was a prophet, he prophesied That Israel will be received, accepted and attain to the fulness.
 

Evmur

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What about the "the Israel of God" in Galatia and around the world who "walk according to this rule" which is the rule of a "new creature in Christ Jesus"?

Can people who refer to Jesus as "son of a whore" fit that description?
It is not wise Paul says to exalt yourself against the Jews, don't be ignorant he says but a hardening has come upon part of Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

If the Jews had not given up Christ to be slain of the Gentiles according to scripture and God's predetermination YOU could not be saved.

It was their sin that saved you.
 

Phoneman-777

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Paul was a prophet, he prophesied That Israel will be received, accepted and attain to the fulness.
"Peace...upon the Israel of God (in the Galatian church) who walk according to this rule" of the new creature in Christ, not the rule of murdering Christ and to this day calling Him "the Great Imposter".
 

Phoneman-777

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It was their sin that saved you.
Catholicism calls Adam's sin "that blessed fault which procured for us such a Redeemer!" Freemasons and the Mormons say the same. You're doctrine continues to line up perfectly with occultism.
 

Evmur

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Catholicism calls Adam's sin "that blessed fault which procured for us such a Redeemer!" Freemasons and the Mormons say the same. You're doctrine continues to line up perfectly with occultism.
it is Paul's doctrine

if their failure has meant salvation for the world what will their fulness mean but life from the dead. So you see Paul also prophesies their restoration.
 

Evmur

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"Peace...upon the Israel of God (in the Galatian church) who walk according to this rule" of the new creature in Christ, not the rule of murdering Christ and to this day calling Him "the Great Imposter".
Not good enough Paul's prophecy of the future acceptance of the Jews are for those who are presently rejected.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Why did the Jews and the Samaritans hate each other just 600 years after the Assyrians carried away the TEN Northern tribes?

But, you're suggesting the enemy was unable to achieve the same results concerning just ONE tribe and with almost 2,000 years to get it done?
No, I'm suggesting that the enemy was unable to wipe the descendants of Jacob from the earth as you are implying.

Are you a Preterist?


 

Phoneman-777

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it is Paul's doctrine

if their failure has meant salvation for the world what will their fulness mean but life from the dead. So you see Paul also prophesies their restoration.
Paul's words are often hard to be understood, which I can't fault God for inspiring, seeing that it was necessary for Him to provide an abundance of hooks upon which those who don't to believe might hang their doubts.

Just as righteous obedient Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son, it's possible that an obedient, receptive Israel could have accomplished God's Plan in the same manner, but instead they chose rebellion and lost their privileged position forever.
 

Evmur

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Paul's words are often hard to be understood, which I can't fault God for inspiring, seeing that it was necessary for Him to provide an abundance of hooks upon which those who don't to believe might hang their doubts.

Just as righteous obedient Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son, so an obedient, receptive Israel could have accomplished God's Plan in the same manner, but instead they chose rebellion and lost their privileged position forever.
is that the best you can do?
 

Journeyman

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What distinction?

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not And to seeds, as of many, but as of one. 'And to thy seed', which is Christ." - Galatians 3:16 KJV​

All the promises are fulfilled in Christ (an the only Israel that is in Christ), not fake Jews that took over Judaism after God scattered them to the four winds of the pagan world, never to be seen again.

See the difference? Fanatics of "Literal Israel in prophecy" are following man-centered theology, while Spiritual Israel is Christ-centered theology.
Brother,
The people you're discussing this with can't see this, but God gathers his elect from the 4 winds, from idolatry, war, famine and death, which is where believers in Christ were gathered from.
 

kaylagrl

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Who are you to judge the credentials of historic figures? What about your credentials?


He was a poet!! rofl Give me a break! Genetic evidence has proven him wrong, and you. You stubbornly refuse to see what you don't want to see. Why is that I wonder?




I remember reading where New Jerusalem is coming down to that location and Abraham's true descendants - those in Christ - will reside there, right?


Wrong! Literal place, literal nation. I give THIS land, from this landmark to that landmark. All
the land which you SEE.



Genesis 13:14-15 “Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are … for all the land which you see I will give to you and your descendants forever.” Genesis 15:18 “On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: ‘To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates.’”


What a colossal misapplication of Scripture. Abraham's descendants are those who "are Christ's" possession, the church in which the promises made to Abraham will be fulfilled!


No, you are wrong. Romans 9- 11 proves you wrong. The promises made to the Jews does not change hands to the church. It's heresy. As I said even the Catholic church repented of this belief after the Holocaust, and they were the ones who started it in the first place. What you believe is a pack of lies and from the pit of hell. God has not taken His hand off the Jews, His promises to them remain, you've been shown this with Scripture. A thousand generations, to the Jews, not you! Replacement Theology is a lie. Period.
 
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I don't think the enemy was that successful.
The fact they totally deny the power of God is just totally amazing to me

yet they are the ones who get angry.

then again, if my belief system continually was proven to show lack of faith in God, I guess I would be angry also
 

kaylagrl

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Brother,
The people you're discussing this with can't see this, but God gathers his elect from the 4 winds, from idolatry, war, famine and death, which is where believers in Christ were gathered from.

The lack of understanding of the Word here is stunning. smh God says He will gather the Jews from where He has scattered them. Has nothing to do with the Gentiles.