WHEN IS THE RAPTURE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE GT?

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Absolutely

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The rapture is the gathering of the bride.
It is vividly depicted in mat 25.
Jesus is the groom,the 5 wise,half of the 10,are taken to the marrige chamber .
We see intimacy depicted between Jesus and his bride.

Now,not that dynamic in relationship with "tribulation"
The tribulation of that story is after the gathering.
Same with noah and lot (2 other examples of Jesus)
 

JaumeJ

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What is the rapture? Where is it explained in the Word? Thank you...God bless you.
 

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What is the rapture? Where is it explained in the Word? Thank you...God bless you.
1 thes 4 and the first part of mat 25, plus the "one taken" of mat 24.
Some are waiting for the white horseman or the ac.

Read the last verses of the bible.
Jesus leaves us with the thought/prayer of the gathering /rapture.
(Come lord jesus)
But you can go to rev 14 and see "a rapture/gathering."
2 witnesses are caught up (raptured)
Elijah and Jesus were caught up (raptured)
Surprised you don't know what it is.

You waiting for Jesus to come?
Can you pray the last verses of the bible?
 

Absolutely

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This is how God ends his Holy Bible

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. ....

....... Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
 

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Yes come Lord Jesus.
Come for your bride.!!!!!
 

JaumeJ

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I have read and understand all the above, but some specific "rapture" is constantly being touted das a problem. All the gathering up you hav e cited are clear and specific, but this "The Rapture" is mentioned nowher, at leasst not in the Bible I was brought uup with. You have cited raptures as those various times God has taken up people to Him and future gatherings mentions. I am surprised you do not understand my question
 

JaumeJ

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1 thes 4 and the first part of mat 25, plus the "one taken" of mat 24.
Some are waiting for the white horseman or the ac.

Read the last verses of the bible.
Jesus leaves us with the thought/prayer of the gathering /rapture.
(Come lord jesus)
But you can go to rev 14 and see "a rapture/gathering."
2 witnesses are caught up (raptured)
Elijah and Jesus were caught up (raptured)
Surprised you don't know what it is.

You waiting for Jesus to come?
Can you pray the last verses of the bible?
I have read and understand all the above, but some specific "rapture" is constantly being touted das a problem. All the gathering up you hav e cited are clear and specific, but this "The Rapture" is mentioned nowher, at leasst not in the Bible I was brought uup with. You have cited raptures as those various times God has taken up people to Him and future gatherings mentions. I am surprised you do not understand my question
 

tanakh

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The second coming is represented by the details of a Jewish wedding but one major difference between peoples rapture beliefs and that
of the actual wedding details is that the Groom only arrives at the Brides home once. He doesn't take his Bride have a wedding then bring the whole wedding party back to the Brides former home some time later. This is what we end up with when we opt for a Pre
Trib or Mid Trib scenario. In fact the whole populist teaching surrounding the tribulation is open to question but it would take me days to explain it all and people would fall asleep long before I finished.
 
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The rapture is the gathering of the bride.
It is vividly depicted in mat 25.
Jesus is the groom,the 5 wise,half of the 10,are taken to the marrige chamber .
We see intimacy depicted between Jesus and his bride.

Now,not that dynamic in relationship with "tribulation"
The tribulation of that story is after the gathering.
Same with noah and lot (2 other examples of Jesus)
Are you pre-trib? If so, please point me to one passage that explicitly states this rapture is prior to the tribulation.
 

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The rapture happens on the day of the return of Jesus to earth.. The Saints will be caught up to meet Him in the Air as He returns.. The words ""caught up"" is translated as raptura in latin and thats how we come to the world Rapture.. So "caught up" is rapture..

1 Thessalonians 4: KJV
17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
 

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In fact the whole populist teaching surrounding the tribulation is open to question but it would take me days to explain it all and people would fall asleep long before I finished.
i got time and coffee. please tell me friend. id love to hear what you have to say. please please?
 
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What is GT? I assume it’s not Grand Touring.
 
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The rapture happens on the day of the return of Jesus to earth.. The Saints will be caught up to meet Him in the Air as He returns.. The words ""caught up"" is translated as raptura in latin and thats how we come to the world Rapture.. So "caught up" is rapture..

1 Thessalonians 4: KJV
17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
But is the rapture pre-trib in your view my friend?
 

Melach

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What is GT? I assume it’s not Grand Touring.
great tribulation. daniel 70th week. the final parts of it actually. time time and half a times. its spoken of in revelation for example.
 

Adstar

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But is the rapture pre-trib in your view my friend?
No.

The tribulation of the Saints happens when the followers of the Anti-christ persecute and execute Christians who refuse to worship the image of the beast.. After this end times great tribulation the Messiah shall return and that's when He shall pour out the Wrath of God upon those who persecuted the Saints..
 
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Thanks y’all for the GT info
 

tanakh

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What is GT? I assume it’s not Grand Touring.
It could stand for Gin and Tonic but actually it is short for Great Tribulation. Although if your not tee total you may need several
G and T's trying to unravel the assorted views people have about it.
 

Nehemiah6

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What is the rapture? Where is it explained in the Word? Thank you...God bless you.
Surely you know that the Rapture is the supernatural transformation of living saints and their being caught up to Heaven by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. It has absolutely no relationship to the Great Tribulation, and must occur BEFORE the Tribulation period. [Note: While the word *rapture* is not found in our English bibles, it is derived from the Latin *rapimur* in Jerome's Vulgate, which is the translation for *caught up"]

1 THESSALONIANS 4: THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE OF THE SAINTS

CHRISTIANS ARE NOT TO LAMENT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE PASSED ON
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

THOSE SAINTS (SOULS & SPIRITS) WILL COME WITH JESUS
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [Note: sleep is only a metaphor for death]

THE LIVING SAINTS WILL NOT PRECEDE THE ONES WHO WILL BE RESURRECTED
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [Note: *prevent* means *precede* (go ahead of)]

CHRIST HIMSELF WILL COME FOR HIS SAINTS AT THE RAPTURE
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:...

BUT THE DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE FIRST
...and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

THEN THE LIVING SAINTS WILL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:...

ALL THE SAINTS WILL BE WITH THE LORD ETERNALLY IN THE NEW JERUSALEM
...and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

THE DOCTRINE OF THE RAPTURE IS FOR THE COMFORT OF CHRISTIANS
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Christ does NOT come to the earth, but remains *in the air* (the atmospheric heaven). And this entire event is SUPERNATURAL and in the twinkling of an eye (nanoseconds).
 

MattforJesus

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The rapture is the gathering of the bride.
It is vividly depicted in mat 25.
Jesus is the groom,the 5 wise,half of the 10,are taken to the marrige chamber .
We see intimacy depicted between Jesus and his bride.

Now,not that dynamic in relationship with "tribulation"
The tribulation of that story is after the gathering.
Same with noah and lot (2 other examples of Jesus)
Israel has 70 weeks, 490 years, to make an end of sin, and bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophesy, and to anoint the most holy who is Jesus.

The time began before Jesus came in flesh for they were not in the truth for if they were then the Roman Empire would not of been able to have control over Jerusalem.

69 weeks has passed with 1 more week to go which is the time that God causes all people who do not love Him to follow the beast, and brings Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

Which Jesus said the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord.

And the disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom to them at that time, and He said the Father will do it in His time, but be concerned with preaching the Gospel.

Which God said He is going to make a full end of all Gentile governments, but will not make a full end of Israel although she will not be wholly unpunished.

Which God said that He is going to gather the whole house of Israel, all 12 tribes, and put them back on their land Israel, and will leave none of them in the nations again, and they will know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from them again.

Israel is blinded in part, for they acknowledge the Old Testament but not the New for the majority, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles, and so all Israel shall be saved.

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance on God's part.

Which He has not cast away His people that He once foreknew.

And He is the LORD and does not change, therefore the sons of Jacob are not consumed.

And God said if the sun, and the moon, and the stars are still in affect then His covenant with Israel still stands, and they shall not cease from being a nation.

At the end of the 70 weeks Israel as a nation has to be in the truth that Jesus is their Messiah which they have not done that yet so the 70th week could of not been fulfilled.

God warns the saints of the new age movement that will happen at the latter times which is now, and their false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and people can still evolve to be greater and spiritual, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher and love, and evolved to be an ascended master, and avatar, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process which he believes the Christ conscience will come upon him and he will evolve, and all people who follow him will evolve to be greater and spiritual.

They will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats, nature worship, reverence of animals.

The time will come that the world will not endure sound doctrine, not listen to the truth of the Bible, but want to hear it according to their own lusts, the new age movement to evolve to be greater and spiritual, exalting themselves, and not acknowledging a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power.

The new age movement is the future for this world, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all people who do not love God, and is the beginning of the end for the wicked.

Paul said the saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first, which is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which the new age movement will be a unified religious system with all religions as part of it interpreted according to the new age movement, and anything contrary will not be tolerated, and a hate crime, for they want peace not division.

And the man of sin steps in to the Jews temple and claims to be their God and Messiah.

Then the saints can be gathered unto Christ.

But the beast makes war against the saints and prevails against them, and they are given in to his hands for three and one half years, and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people then all things shall be finished.

Which then comes the end when the Son shall have delivered up the kingdom to the Father when He shall have put down all rule, authority, and power.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel, which the Gentile nations will see to it, and the man of sin wants them all back on their land, and none of the Jews will be left in the nations.

The Jews will rebuild their temple and go back to animal sacrifices for they are still blinded in part with no hassle from the Palestinians.

The Jews will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians.

The nations will come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth, and the 70th week, 7 years period will begin.

For the first three and one half years repentance and salvation are still available to the world.

The world will be divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section which is the 10 horn kingdom, which an example is America, Canada, and Mexico, as nation number 1, and concerning the wall, what wall, solution no more border they are all one nation now.

They do not believe the New Age Christ will help them until the nations come together as one to work for peace on earth, so they are working on that.

The new age movement will be the one world religious system which the religion of Islam will rebel against it, and Islam will be against the world and be taken down by the world, which that war will be so terrible as to cause one third of the world to perish mainly in the Arab nations as they are plucked up by the roots, and the Bible describes nuclear weapons, which that war is so terrible that the world turns to the New Age Christ as the solution to have peace on earth for the 10 horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace on earth.

Which the 6 trumpets are warnings to the world to turn to God but after the 6th trumpet the world does not turn to God, and repent of their sins, but keep trying to achieve peace by their own efforts.

Which an example is WW1, set up League of Nations, did not turn to God, WW2, set up United Nations, did not turn to God, and that pattern will continue until Islam against the world, which they do not turn to God so He gives them the man of sin to rule over them.

At the end of the first three and one half years it is the falling away first which they deny the Gospel being preached in the world, when the transgressors are come to the full.

Then war shall break out in heaven and Satan and his angels are cast to earth, which the earth becomes the habitation of devils for it is their holding cell, and Satan appears as the beast to deceive all people that do not love God to follow him, which they will be deceived by a devil for it is the strong delusion God will give everyone that does not love the truth, but has pleasure in unrighteousness

Then a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences shall, and his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power.

And when they follow the beast and take his mark then repentance and salvation is no longer available to them, and the fulness of the Gentiles has come in.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

Which the mark of the beast will be a microchip placed under the skin linked to satellite, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the location and how close they were to the crime scene, and can find lost people.

For the last three and one half years the beast will make war against all people who keep the commandments of God, and the testimony of Jesus, and at the end of that time those that remain will be caught up to Jesus, and He will put down all rule, authority, and power on earth.

God will send Israel 2 to turn them to the truth, and the Jews that know the truth will preach to the other Jews, and an the end of that time Israel as a nation will be in the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, then they will say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord, and they shall see Jesus.