When was Creation?

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When was Creation?

  • about 6,000 years ago

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • millions of years ago

    Votes: 8 61.5%

  • Total voters
    13

jacob_g

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When was Creation? Defend your answer....
 

JaumeJ

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That is easy, read Genesis and then learn how the Hebrew Calendar was calculated…………..it would be the beginning of creation on the first day of the first year ………….
 

Adstar

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I do not know... The Bible does not define how long the duration of each of the 6 days of creation where.. And we know that a Day to the LORD has no relation to a earth 24 hour day..

2 Peter 3: KJV
8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

Note the first 24 hour day.. Earth day did not come into existence until the 4th Day of Creation..

Genesis 1: KJV

16 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. {17} And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, {18} And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. {19} And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."
 
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I used to be a staunch believer in the literal reading of Genesis creation account. But I have since read various books on the matter, some from young-earth Christian writers, and others from old-earth Christian writers. I am now convinced that the young-earth version is just wishful thinking and just does not stack up. There are so many geological records that prove the earth cannot be a mere 6000 yrs old. And I have come to terms with that from a Christian perspective as well.
To me, the bible must be absolutely true. Full stop. But a lot of our understanding is of our own interpretation, not God's. For centuries we have got it wrong in many ways, and over the years we have made discoveries and adjusted our thinking to align with that. Take the views of the Pharisees as an example - we can see where some of their ideas are just nonsensical, but with the knowledge they had at the time, you could hardly blame them for their mistakes. Same today, we KNOW things now that has changed our interpretation. Eg, scientist claiming a helio-centric cosmos were burned at the stake, but now you'd be a nut to say the earth was the centre of the universe.
So my view, is that science is probably right most of the time; I used to think there was a lot of anti-religious conspiracy going on, but now I accept that the scientists really do work hard to draw accurate conclusions on hard facts and mostly disregard unproven ideas. But I also believe the bible MUST be true. The problem I think is that scientists use their 'knowledge' to laugh at Christians who refute them with no basis; and likewise the Christian don't like what scientists claim, so put up walls to say they are deluded. I truly believe the TRUTH (once known) will satisfy BOTH parties.
So with Genesis, sure - I totally think the creation account, while TRUE, is a simplified version for our understanding. Being mindful that the bible is not a book of scientific revelation, it is a book primarily about the redemption of the corrupted heavens and earth (yes, heaven too).
So, billions of years from the beginning to Adam and Eve - for sure.
The age of first man as 50,000 years ago? I really couldn't say - but if it was, it wouldn't ruin the bible for me. (God never said the earth was 6000 yrs old, that is man doing some sums from various scriptures. But there are possible gaps in the record, and there is precedent for that, i think with Mary's genealogy, some generations are skipped, for example.
Evolution of plants and animals? This was a hard one for me, but I am now convinced that evolution is a fact. The geological record is a history book of the earth, it wasn't created by God to trick scientists. But hey, even with all that, it is still God's creation - so where's the problem. Scientist go on about the big bang - but what caused it? Its still just a theory of course, but even so, why can't a big bang be God's work?
(..and with all that said, I am always open to changing my mind given worthy evidence/reasoning.)
 

JamOn

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John 5 16-17
 
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Creation was in the beginning

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
 

JamOn

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gene 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

hydrogen
 

JaumeJ

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Nothing created disproves its Creator. There is only one Creator but there will be a new heaven and a new earth all in a twinkling of the eye…...………..No geologic time scale involved, just our Dad ding a simple task..for Him simple that is.
 

Lanolin

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Nobody can actually show you a real geological record cos they dont have a book with 600 million pages to tell you exactly what year we are in. Its made up by scientists who work in ratios not actual years, a year being the time the earth complete its circuit around the sun.

For all intents and purposes you need to ask God how long ago that was and realise He could have spun the earth really fast at the beginning but since you werent there nobody was writing it down or recording it.

So who you willings to trust, some geologists and their rocks giving a ball park figure of millions of years (give or take a few) or God?
 

JamOn

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Gen 1:3
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Galaxies
 
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#12
Does it matter?

The Bible is God breathed and an accurate record of the message that God wanted to give us. Whether God chose to give us that message in an historically accurate form at all times only God knows. It makes no difference to the message I receive or my faith.
 

Nehemiah6

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When was Creation? Defend your answer....
EXODUS 20 -- THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


This makes it crystal clear that there was no creation millions of years ago. The Year of Man (Anno Hominis) began the day Adam was created.
 

JamOn

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Does it matter?

The Bible is God breathed and an accurate record of the message that God wanted to give us. Whether God chose to give us that message in an historically accurate form at all times only God knows. It makes no difference to the message I receive or my faith.
Nope your salvation doesn’t depend on how God created the universe and the amount of time it took. rather one breath 6 days or 14 billion, it’s important to know He was the one who did create it.
 

JamOn

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#15
Psalm 33:6
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth

Breath or breaths does really matter
 

UnoiAmarah

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For those who believe the measure of a day in Genesis 1 is 24 hours,
  • Wouldn't the second day be 24 hours after the earth was created?
  • If standing next to God in Genesis 1:3, how long would it take you to see the light?
 

JaumeJ

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#17
The creation was executed in six days with the Seventh Day a gift to those who believe God.

The Seventh Day is eternal, those six day's work will end one day.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Well since we are still in the 7th day of creation and 6 to 10,000 years of human existence, then it very well could be 1 day is not the 24 or 12 hour of humans interpretation of day.

Also the Hebrew word for day can be translated 4 different ways. 12 hour daytime, 24 hour day, back in the day expression, and finally a long period of time.

Plus we have no scripture evidence or natural evidence that points to that God changed the speed of light. We measure the distance of planets, stars, and cosmological events by observing the light that it put off and is just now hitting our observations. Basically a snapshot of the past.

The speed of light would have to of changed and so far that isnt evident.

Also the knowledge of a calendar or time scale didn't come into existence until the fourth day.

Either way the evidence is a signature of how God created. We observe nature and humans interpret the data. 1 scientist can say wow God is awesome by observing the evidence while another scientist observing the same evidence is looking to interpret it from a natural perspective even when the evidence counters the natural realm.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Does it matter?

The Bible is God breathed and an accurate record of the message that God wanted to give us. Whether God chose to give us that message in an historically accurate form at all times only God knows. It makes no difference to the message I receive or my faith.
The only reason it matters is not theologically but in refutation of the evolutionary propagandists that want to indoctrinate our kids.

If you study evolution and the end results of that idealogy, you will soon realize how dangerous a progressive mindset is.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I used to be a staunch believer in the literal reading of Genesis creation account. But I have since read various books on the matter, some from young-earth Christian writers, and others from old-earth Christian writers. I am now convinced that the young-earth version is just wishful thinking and just does not stack up. There are so many geological records that prove the earth cannot be a mere 6000 yrs old. And I have come to terms with that from a Christian perspective as well.
To me, the bible must be absolutely true. Full stop. But a lot of our understanding is of our own interpretation, not God's. For centuries we have got it wrong in many ways, and over the years we have made discoveries and adjusted our thinking to align with that. Take the views of the Pharisees as an example - we can see where some of their ideas are just nonsensical, but with the knowledge they had at the time, you could hardly blame them for their mistakes. Same today, we KNOW things now that has changed our interpretation. Eg, scientist claiming a helio-centric cosmos were burned at the stake, but now you'd be a nut to say the earth was the centre of the universe.
So my view, is that science is probably right most of the time; I used to think there was a lot of anti-religious conspiracy going on, but now I accept that the scientists really do work hard to draw accurate conclusions on hard facts and mostly disregard unproven ideas. But I also believe the bible MUST be true. The problem I think is that scientists use their 'knowledge' to laugh at Christians who refute them with no basis; and likewise the Christian don't like what scientists claim, so put up walls to say they are deluded. I truly believe the TRUTH (once known) will satisfy BOTH parties.
So with Genesis, sure - I totally think the creation account, while TRUE, is a simplified version for our understanding. Being mindful that the bible is not a book of scientific revelation, it is a book primarily about the redemption of the corrupted heavens and earth (yes, heaven too).
So, billions of years from the beginning to Adam and Eve - for sure.
The age of first man as 50,000 years ago? I really couldn't say - but if it was, it wouldn't ruin the bible for me. (God never said the earth was 6000 yrs old, that is man doing some sums from various scriptures. But there are possible gaps in the record, and there is precedent for that, i think with Mary's genealogy, some generations are skipped, for example.
Evolution of plants and animals? This was a hard one for me, but I am now convinced that evolution is a fact. The geological record is a history book of the earth, it wasn't created by God to trick scientists. But hey, even with all that, it is still God's creation - so where's the problem. Scientist go on about the big bang - but what caused it? Its still just a theory of course, but even so, why can't a big bang be God's work?
(..and with all that said, I am always open to changing my mind given worthy evidence/reasoning.)
I would agree with everything you said but the evidence for Macro evolution is not there. It has like 7 or 8 different theories and none are close to even being evidently strong.

We see micro evolution but not macro. The fossil record time and time again proves this to be false. The creation explosions like 1 for example the Cambrian explosion showed most body plans came into existence quite quickly compared to the time it would take a slow random unguided progression of gene mutations. There was many creation explosions in the fossil record with no transitional fossils.

A good book to read is called Darwin's Doubt. It has been a recently popular book and has been converting evolutionists.