where is Adams sin

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Magenta

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The law is just a command from God, and breaking a command is disobedience to God, which is sin. Adam had one command (law); "Do not eat from the Tree of Knowledge, of Good & Evil". Whereby, A&E were the first to break the law, and sin entered the world through them.
Sin entered the world through one man.
 

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People may not believe this, but Adam and Eve did not began to have sex and bare children until they lost connection, that anointing with God. They had no desire, because by the anointing God had on them, kept them from aging and growing old like all the other creatures. They had no feelings in their bodies, no sensation whatsoever that would cause them to lust for each other.That is actually where he told them to be fruitful and multiply. Not only did she have a desire for her husband, but Adam likewise had the same feelings also, which caused them to have sex with one another. Thus came lust.
 

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People may not believe this, but Adam and Eve did not began to have sex and bare children until they lost connection, that anointing with God. They had no desire, because by the anointing God had on them, kept them from aging and growing old like all the other creatures. They had no feelings in their bodies, no sensation whatsoever that would cause them to lust for each other.That is actually where he told them to be fruitful and multiply. Not only did she have a desire for her husband, but Adam likewise had the same feelings also, which caused them to have sex with one another. Thus came lust.
God told them to be fruitful and multiply in Genesis one. The fall of man and all creation as the result of Adam's sin is recorded two chapters later, in Genesis three.
 

Gabriel2020

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I know you think genesis in in order from beginning to end, but not all of it. the first part from creation to the last day of creation is summary. they did not fall from glory until after creation was complete, not during creation.
 
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1st Adam brought sin to the human race
2nd Adam redeemed man by taking our sin and imputing his righteousness by faith
 

Magenta

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I know you think genesis in in order from beginning to end, but not all of it. the first part from creation to the last day of creation is summary. they did not fall from glory until after creation was complete, not during creation.
You know no such thing, but simply assume. They were told to be fruitful and multiply in Genesis one; I know you don't like it because it blows your little pet theory out of the water. Genesis chapter one, three verses after the one I already gave, ends by saying; And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day. So yes, when He had finished creating, God had ALREADY told them to be fruitful and multiply.
 

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LOL, Adam was made on the six day. God told Adam not to eat from the tree. Eve had not been invented yet. He past the word down to Eve after she came on the seen. bone of bone and flesh of my flesh was adam's thought after he awaken from his sleep to see Eve. He did not quote the verses just after that. that scripture was saying that every man born of woman by man shall likewise take a wife as Adam did. nothing malfunctioned while God was creating. all was good.
 
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Magenta

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LOL, Adam was made on the six day. God told Adam not to eat from the tree. Eve had not been invented yet. He past the word down to Eve after she came on the seen. bone of bone and flesh of my flesh was adam's thought after he awaken from his sleep to see Eve. He did not quote the verses just after that. that scripture was saying that every man born of woman by man shall likewise take a wife as Adam did.
You are contradicting yourself. Eve was never "invented," she was made, and they were both there on the sixth day when God told them to be fruitful and multiply BEFORE the fall of mankind as a result of Adam's disobedience. Are you the person who said that Eve did not have her own soul?
 

Gabriel2020

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no i am not. you should keep up with the people who responds to you. All the animals had mates after God created ADAM. HE BROUGHT THEM TO HIM to name. Eve was not there. because God saw how lonely he was, he made Eve for him.
 
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Magenta

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no i am not. you should keep up with the people who responds to you.
Are you speaking to me? You could show some courtesy and actually quote the person you are talking to instead of having us guess. Are you suggesting I keep notes on you? No, thanks :p
 

Magenta

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All the animals had mates after God created ADAM. HE BROUGHT THEM TO HIM to name. Eve was not there. because God saw how lonely he was, he made Eve for him.
None of which has anything at all to do with the discussion here.
 

Magenta

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LOL, Adam was made on the six day. God told Adam not to eat from the tree. Eve had not been invented yet. He past the word down to Eve after she came on the seen.
Another assumption with zero Biblical basis. We do not know who told Eve.
 

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Here's something to wrap your head around...
We know in Genesis 3 that Eve must have been alone when the serpent spoke to her. No mention of Adam until after she had eaten the fruit.
1 Timothy 2:14
Adam was deceived not. Eve was deceived and was in the transgression.
So why did Adam who was not deceived eat the fruit after all in verse Genesis 3:6?
Look in verse 17...perhaps Adam was in fear of what God would do to Eve. Perhaps he loved her so much he did not want to be separated from her. Remember God said if they ate of it they would die.







...or maybe he was just beat down as many men are :p
What the first Adam could not do, the second Adam did. Adam could not redeem Eve. Christ redeemed His bride. Remember, Adam's sin was a similitude of what Christ was going to do. Romans 5.
 

JaumeJ

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If by where you are asking what, his sin is the same as all sin, disobedience.

When people teach disobedience they are teaching sin, with or without a written code.
 
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Paul said that sin came by the law. if that is true then Adam couldn't be the one man, it would have to be Moses.
If, as you claim, sin came through Moses, there would have been no death prior to time of Moses. Rom 5:12 would then be in error:

In Romans 5:12 we are told sin entered into the world, and death by sin.


If, as you claim, sin came through Moses, then Rom 5:13 is in error:


Romans 5:13-14 tells us
For until the law [according to you, this is "Moses"] sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses.


Sin entered through Adam, and death by sin, and death passed unto all Adam's progeny (Rom 5:12).

Praise God that is not the end of the story: Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
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Where in scripture, does it say explicitly that Adam sinned, I see trespass and transgression which are not sin, it has been imputed, by all but a few that Adam, sinned.
Romans 5:12 thru 14 that by one man sin came into the world. Is there a definitive scripture was Adam.
My thoughts as always are meant to make people think. Paul said that sin came by the law. if that is true then Adam couldn't be the one man, it would have to be Moses. Moses is also the first person to break the law, making the case, that, no one can carry the law without breaking it.
Sin: missing the mark
trespass: everyday screwups
Transgression: willful disobedience
Iniquity: continued willful disobedience
I know the inspired word of God offends some people, but this is all in scripture, but I guess study and meditation, sometimes could be to hard for some
THE LONE RANGER

LOL There can't be two Lone Rangers . I am still waiting for my official Lone Ranger badge, certificate and silver bullet after sending away for it some 60 years ago. Kemosabe?

The key to understanding is in the creation before the fall.After the fall the soul that sins dies.

Before the fall God previously as to when God corrupted the whole creation as the beginning of His death sentence, He created mankind as one creation to represent his own self as one God, working together as if he was a literal father and Son as two attributes .

Man representing the invisible head Christ and woman representing the whole body (mankind) as one creation. She is signified as the bride of Christ ,the church. She was not formed from the bone of Adam they were both created flesh and bone. Flesh and bone are both products of the lifeless spiritless dust they were formed of.

They were given one spirit and if either violated the commandment both were held responsible.

That which was attributed to one the same applied to the other.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

When Eve ate of the forbidden fruit it affected that one creation (mankind) which would have been vice versa had Adam first, Eve would be held responsible.

And God said, Let us make man (singular) in our image, after our likeness: and let them (both) have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man (mankind) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (the other beasts of the field) Gen 1:26

This is unlike the other beasts of the field, male and female he made them as separate creations. They were not created in the likeness of God who is one.

It in one sense could be compared to the new ceremonial law as a new testament ordinance used as a shadow to point ahead to the consummation of the bride of Christ when we receive our new bodies made up of male and female according to the measure of man.

If the man fails to uncover his head/hair the woman will be responsible, and if she refuses to not cover her head/hair vice versa .

The idea that Moses is the first to break the law is not a biblical idea.

It was broken in the garden when iniquity was found in the heart of the god of this world, in the same day, twinkling of the eye he created him .It proved to be true seeing Adam and Eve experienced what it was to do the good pleasure of the will of another.

Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:13
 

Magenta

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When Eve ate of the forbidden fruit it affected that one creation (mankind) which would have been vice versa had Adam first, Eve would be held responsible.
Are you really saying that had Adam eaten of the forbidden fruit first, that Eve would have been held responsible had she followed suit, in as much as sin and death would have entered the world through Eve and not Adam?