WHICH Bible "version" Is Authorized By God?

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Nehemiah6

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People behaving this way with the KJ, never conceding that it is not perfect, are cult like in their behavior.
For all practical purposes -- and in comparison to all the corrupted modern translations -- you may regard the King James Bible as perfect.

As to the slander about cults, you would have to put the millions of Christians since 1611 to date into that *cult*. Would that not be silly? Until 1900 the King James Bible was THE ONLY English language Bible is general use. Check out all the well-known commentators and their commentaries.

As to the corruptions, kindly read my previous posts to know for a fact that all modern bibles are based upon corrupt Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. Unfortunately the critics and *scholars* have managed to fool the general Christian public about this matter. They have promoted a hoax. How many people believe that the COVID pandemic is a hoax? Yet it is. Which shows how easy it is to fool the general population.
 
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I have only recently joined this forum, and I hope that not too many seekers, agnostics or atheists are reading this thread. Some posts here are so obviously anti-Christian that it hurts my heart.
 

CS1

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I was not the one who likened hillbilly preachers to the KKK burning crosses on peoples front yards.

I have nothing more to discuss with you on the subject.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I will address that, right now do not deflect to what you failed to answer me about when I asked you. I'm sure you have nothing more to discuss on the subject because you were caught causing dissention and even spoke to another about a person when they were not here.

That is your issue. You think you can point out a wrong comment by another and use it to get you off the hook . Justify yourself using a and pointing out a wrong to do another wrong is a sad response from a person claiming to be a Christian yet calls other apostate. You are the kind of person who will slap someone in the face then ask to be forgiven then slap them again. And walk away thinking the other person is wrong if they say NO!

You are a Hypocrite sir,
 

fredoheaven

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The KJV is backed by seven 1500s Greek manuscripts.
I am seeing many false information around here but need to contend to a particular agenda being overly oldy assumed that KJV is supported by 7 late Greek manuscripts. I do believe that there are few differences between TR and KJV though generally KJV agrees with the TR but this time that is not going to be discuss here. The point is, KJV did not only have 7 Greek NT on hand during their translational work. They have consulted and compared with many Greek manuscripts available to them. The information being promulgated to have only a few Greek backing of the KJV is false. The original 1611 shows KJV translator had also consulted or considered other Greek variants, however, in the final analysis, they have to translate text in the English based on the accepted Received Text which generally agrees with the so called “Majority Text” than the Modern Greek Text (NA/UBS).

Some sampling from the marginal notes of the 1611 KJV has this in Matthew 26:26 “Many Greek copies have, gave thanks”.

On another occasion,is also found in Luke 17:36 which many of today’s Modern English version have either omitted it or placed in a bracket. See below cut and paste portion of the passage. The KJV translators were well aware of the other Greek readings. The point is it’s never been a 7 mss only as attested. Luke-Chapter-17-18.jpg

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Dino246

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For all practical purposes -- and in comparison to all the corrupted modern translations -- you may regard the King James Bible as perfect.
That's a complete misuse of the word! Perfection is not a relative standard, but an absolute one. A single flaw makes something imperfect, and the KJV has many.

As to the slander about cults, you would have to put the millions of Christians since 1611 to date into that *cult*. Would that not be silly?
That's a foolish comment, as are so many made in defense of KJV-onlyism. People who happen to use the KJV are not KJV-onlyists; that is true historically as well as currently. Further, people for whom the KJV was the only available Bible also are not KJV-onlyists.

Until 1900 the King James Bible was THE ONLY English language Bible is general use. Check out all the well-known commentators and their commentaries.
Yes, but that says nothing about its accuracy and certainly nothing about it being "perfect".

As to the corruptions, kindly read my previous posts to know for a fact that all modern bibles are based upon corrupt Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. Unfortunately the critics and *scholars* have managed to fool the general Christian public about this matter. They have promoted a hoax.
That is OPINION, not fact. Your blather isn't convincing anyone other than your fellow drinkers of the KJV-only Kool-Aid.
 
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I have only recently joined this forum, and I hope that not too many seekers, agnostics or atheists are reading this thread. Some posts here are so obviously anti-Christian that it hurts my heart.
Precious friend, welcome! Appreciate your compassionate concern. I pray you will
focus mostly on The Living Word, The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And HIS Pure And
Preserved Written Word Of Truth!


See you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ 😇 ↑
 

Dino246

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I have only recently joined this forum, and I hope that not too many seekers, agnostics or atheists are reading this thread. Some posts here are so obviously anti-Christian that it hurts my heart.
Hello and welcome to CC!

It is certainly unfortunate that Christians argue over this or any issue. However, I assure you that people on both sides of this debate believe this is important, though for very different reasons. If you are offended, I would just encourage you to consider this one thing: Who started it? Who started any of the many threads in which this has been argued? Consistently, it is the KJV-only crowd.

Let's put the blame where it rightly belongs. :)
 

Dino246

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I am seeing many false information around here but need to contend to a particular agenda being overly oldy assumed that KJV is supported by 7 late Greek manuscripts. I do believe that there are few differences between TR and KJV though generally KJV agrees with the TR but this time that is not going to be discuss here. The point is, KJV did not only have 7 Greek NT on hand during their translational work. They have consulted and compared with many Greek manuscripts available to them. The information being promulgated to have only a few Greek backing of the KJV is false. The original 1611 shows KJV translator had also consulted or considered other Greek variants, however, in the final analysis, they have to translate text in the English based on the accepted Received Text which generally agrees with the so called “Majority Text” than the Modern Greek Text (NA/UBS).

Some sampling from the marginal notes of the 1611 KJV has this in Matthew 26:26 “Many Greek copies have, gave thanks”.

On another occasion,is also found in Luke 17:36 which many of today’s Modern English version have either omitted it or placed in a bracket. See below cut and paste portion of the passage. The KJV translators were well aware of the other Greek readings. The point is it’s never been a 7 mss only as attested. View attachment 226553

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What did "Greek copies" mean: Greek manuscripts, or printed Greek editions?

Erasmus had only a handful of manuscripts available to him when he collated them into his editions. I don't know the exact number, but seven is about right. He produced five printed Greek editions. Stephanus produced another Greek edition, using Erasmus' work, as did Beza; both of these were consulted by the the KJV translators. That makes at least seven Greek sources that are not "manuscripts".
 

Dino246

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God didnt use these corrupt trees to preserve his word to the world, fact
Opinion, not fact.

Anything that God does through human beings is done through flawed human beings. He even used pagan kings at times. Your claim is completely without evidence or merit.
 

Truth7t7

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Nehemiah, Gordon Fee is one of the top Bible translators in the world.
Qualifications Beyond Comparison, Will You Dare Review The Link?

Just One Man Of 60 That Translated The 1611 Authorized King James Version

LANCELOT ANDREWES
Personal and Family Life
Lancelot Andrewes was born in 1555 in the London parish of All Hallows, Barking, by the Tower of London. He was one of twelve children born to Thomas and Joan Andrewes. Thomas was a mariner from Hordon on the Hill, Essex. Through their industry Thomas and Joan were able to accumulate a sizeable estate. Grateful for his parentage, Lancelot on one occasion expressed thanks he was "not the sad egg of sorry crows".
Lancelot was the oldest child of his family, born when his parents may not have had the prosperity they later enjoyed. As a boy of eight he enrolled at the Coopers' Free School which has been described as a charity school maintained by the Cooper's Guild for "poore mens children". The schoolmaster was Thomas Ward, who played a pivotal role in young Lancelot's life. Thomas Ward recognized in his young charge great scholarly promise. He is credited with persuading Lancelot's parents to continue his schooling rather than apprentice him to a trade. Thomas and Joan Andrewes' decision proved decisive to Lancelot and to the world. Among Andrewes' prominent character traits were gratitude and generosity. He never forgot what Thomas Ward did for him, and played a decisive role in the life of Ward's son, Robert, who like Lancelot, became one of the Translators of the King James Bible (hereinafter KJB), (see Robert Ward biography).
When Andrewes was about ten years old, he entered Merchant Taylors' School, London. The headmaster of the school was Richard Mulcaster (see Bio Bits) who became one of the most noted educators of his time. He, like Ward, was a major influence in Lancelot Andrewes' life. Mulcaster introduced his students not only to the classical languages of Latin and Greek, but to Hebrew as well. He took special pains to expose his students to music, drama and oratory. Mulcaster's curriculum proved invaluable to Andrewes.

As a young student Lancelot was intense. A contemporary biographer said:
From his tender years he was totally addicted to the study of letters. Andrewes studied so hard that his parents had to force play upon him. He never loved or used any games of ordinary recreation, either within doors as cards, dice, table chess, or abroad as bats, quoits, bowls or any such, but his ordinary exercise and recreation was walking, alone by himself or with some other selected companion, with whom he might confer or argue and recount their studies.​
Fellow students of Lancelot at Merchant Taylors' included the great poet, Edmund Spenser as well as five future Translators. Spenser was one with whom he walked and talked.
Andrewes held his schoolmaster, Richard Mulcaster, in such high regard that in later years he placed Mulcaster's picture over the door of his study in tribute, and for continuing inspiration. Andrewes even remembered Mulcaster's son, Peter, in his will.

At age sixteen he began his university studies, having been awarded a scholarship to Pembroke College, Cambridge funded by Thomas Watts, archdeacon of Middlesex. Pembroke, though a thoroughly Protestant college, was less Puritanical than others. His friend Edmund Spenser also chose Pembroke. While at the university, Lancelot demonstrated the same scholarly rigor that marked his work at Merchant Taylors'. He continued to avoid games and recreation other than walking. He stayed at the college year round until he graduated B.A. Thereafter, as he pursued advanced degrees he traveled home once a year, walking each way.

Even while on vacation at home he pursued his studies, engaging his father to seek out a teacher to tutor him in a language he had not yet acquired. This may account for how he mastered at least fifteen languages during his lifetime. As he worked towards his B.D. he learned Arabic, Aramaic (Chaldee) and Syriac.

Career
Lancelot Andrewes, like many of the Translators, led a career both at the university and in the church. His first academic office was as a fellow of Pembroke College. This was followed by his appointment as college catechist. As catechist he delivered lectures to the university and Cambridge community on the Ten Commandments.
He was ordained a deacon and priest on the same day, 11 Jun 1580, by William Chaderton, Bishop of Chester. The next year he was appointed treasurer of Pembroke. In 1586 Andrewes was appointed chaplain to the Earl of Huntingdon.
 

Truth7t7

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Opinion, not fact.

Anything that God does through human beings is done through flawed human beings. He even used pagan kings at times. Your claim is completely without evidence or merit.
(Fact) Kurt Aland Died in the sin of Adultery, being married to Barbara his college student that he had an affair with, while his wife Ingeborg lived.

God didnt use Adulterers Kurt Aland or Barbara Nee Ehlers, (Corrupt Trees) That Would Be Contrary To His Words Below.

(But A Corrupt Tree Bring Forth Evil Fruit)

(Neither Can A Corrupt Tree Bring Forth Good Fruit)

Yes Adulterers (Kurt and Barbara Aland) And homosexual union supporter (Carlo Maria Martini) created the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) that supports new modern versions NIV, NASB, ESV, RSV, Etc

God didnt use these corrupt trees to preserve his word to the world, fact

Matthew 7:16-21KJV
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
 

Dino246

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(Fact) Kurt Aland Died in the sin of Adultery, being married to Barbara his college student that he had an affair with, while his wife Ingeborg lived.

God didnt use Adulterers Kurt Aland or Barbara Nee Ehlers, (Corrupt Trees) That Would Be Contrary To His Words Below.

(But A Corrupt Tree Bring Forth Evil Fruit)

(Neither Can A Corrupt Tree Bring Forth Good Fruit)

Yes Adulterers (Kurt and Barbara Aland) And homosexual union supporter (Carlo Maria Martini) created the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) that supports new modern versions NIV, NASB, ESV, RSV, Etc

God didnt use these corrupt trees to preserve his word to the world, fact

Matthew 7:16-21KJV
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Foolish repetition of already-refuted claims.

Get over yourself, and learn how to use brackets properly; failure to do so only demonstrates your profound stubbornness.
 

fredoheaven

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What did "Greek copies" mean: Greek manuscripts, or printed Greek editions?

Erasmus had only a handful of manuscripts available to him when he collated them into his editions. I don't know the exact number, but seven is about right. He produced five printed Greek editions. Stephanus produced another Greek edition, using Erasmus' work, as did Beza; both of these were consulted by the the KJV translators. That makes at least seven Greek sources that are not "manuscripts".
The marginal note in the KJV bearing “Greek copies” are Greek manuscripts extant that were available to the KJV translators. We know in fact that there was still no Nestle/UBS printed Greek text at that time, No Wescott and Hort printed Greek hence they were manuscripts.

I have to agree with you that Erasmus's works were printed editions not handwritten including Stephanus and Beza. But not to Angela, as she believed to have been 7 Greek manuscripts. Still, though, 7 printed Greek sources are also quite wrong because KJV translators have other printed Greek sources available to them. They too consulted Complentensian Polygot which has the Greek printed in it for both OT and NT. But mainly, for the NT basis of the KJV is the 3rd edition of Stephanus- 1550 AD. The published works of Greek NT of Rober Stephens used the Erasmus Greek and the Complutensian Greek, along with 15 more Byzantine Greek manuscripts. The 3rd Edition includes variant readings in the margin and referred to the Codex Bezae this time.
 

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For all practical purposes -- and in comparison to all the corrupted modern translations -- you may regard the King James Bible as perfect.

As to the slander about cults, you would have to put the millions of Christians since 1611 to date into that *cult*. Would that not be silly? Until 1900 the King James Bible was THE ONLY English language Bible is general use. Check out all the well-known commentators and their commentaries.

As to the corruptions, kindly read my previous posts to know for a fact that all modern bibles are based upon corrupt Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. Unfortunately the critics and *scholars* have managed to fool the general Christian public about this matter. They have promoted a hoax. How many people believe that the COVID pandemic is a hoax? Yet it is. Which shows how easy it is to fool the general population.
I guess everyone has a weak spot and the KJ must be yours. I grew up on the KJ, but thankfully not the 1611 or I would need bottle thick glasses to see today.

When I think of a verse, it actually pops up in my mind in the KJ. And I am quite happy with the ability to find ALL other versions online and just copy paste the passage or verse I am thinking of. although I will sometimes use the KJ anyway when someone is being what I would call legalistic. Seems to go together for some reason :unsure:

As for the rest of your post, since I have not addressed anything about the corruptions in this thread, I will just leave you with it.

I certainly hope you do not think that people who have accepted Christ without the King Jimmy in hand do not have corrupt salvation.

Of course my salvation is not in question since I was saved very young and the KJ was my Bible until quite a few years later.

since the KJ cultists are in the minority, I figure that is why they get their undies in a knot and become so defensive.
 

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(Fact) Kurt Aland Died in the sin of Adultery, being married to Barbara his college student that he had an affair with, while his wife Ingeborg lived.
King David

are you sinless yourself? And adultery is a sin for sure, but if we are going to expect people who are 100% sinless to do anything of merit, then we shall all just sit on our hands. Actually, that could help people with wandering hands :whistle:
 

Truth7t7

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King David

are you sinless yourself? And adultery is a sin for sure, but if we are going to expect people who are 100% sinless to do anything of merit, then we shall all just sit on our hands. Actually, that could help people with wandering hands :whistle:
King David repented of his sins, have you not read Psalms :giggle:

Kurt Aland Died in the sin of Adultery, being married to the college girl in his classroom, 22 years younger (Barbara Nee Ehlers) who he divorced his wife Ingeborg for, who was living at Kurt's death in 1994 (Adultery)


God didnt use Adulterers Kurt Aland or Barbara Nee Ehlers, (Corrupt Trees) That Would Be Contrary To His Words Below.

(But A Corrupt Tree Bring Forth Evil Fruit)

(Neither Can A Corrupt Tree Bring Forth Good Fruit)

Yes Adulterers (Kurt and Barbara Aland) And homosexual union supporter (Carlo Maria Martini) created the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) that supports new modern versions NIV, NASB, ESV, RSV, Etc

God didnt use these corrupt trees to preserve his word to the world, fact

Matthew 7:16-21KJV
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
 

SophieT

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King David repented of his sins, have you not read Psalms :giggle:
So? I guess you forgot a sword hung over his family and he died a lonely old man with a hot virgin beside him to keep him warm.

His family was a disaster and while God forgives, sin has a ripple effect.

Get real. The Bible does not gloss over sin and does not excuse it. If someone dies while unrepentant, does that somehow make every other thing they ever did sinful? Of course not.

You are using a ridiculous line of reasoning to explain why you believe the uninspired KJ is inspired.

I seriously doubt Jesus was speaking of Bible translations in Matthew 7 :rolleyes:

I seem to remember you have some unbiblical views regarding remarriage as well, stating a person cannot remarry even if their spouse is an adulterous no good piece of work. You are so legalistic, you go waaay past what scripture states.