WHICH IS MOST IMPORTANT FOR A CHRISTIAN TO FOLLOW?

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Should we follow/do what Jesus did?taught? Or should we follow/do what the Apostles did/taught?

  • 1. What Jesus did/taught

    Votes: 13 92.9%
  • 2. What the Apostles did/taught

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • 3. I do not know. It confuses me too.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4. I do as my Church teaches.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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#41
Very true. However, it does not address the Subject of the Thread. What was said when you were water baptized? What Jesus said? What the Apostles said?
I answered the poll and the question directly. As for what is done or said in churches, it is irrelevant to me.
 
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#42
I don't recognize church authority or consider their teachings as I have been taught false doctrines in churches and have been offended by their graven images and idols. So, I answered the post's question directly.

If you and the other people here believe there is spiritual authority in churches, then you can all contemplate obedience or the like.

I follow Jesus.
What did Jesus say about baptism and what did the apostles say about baptism?I agree with you that we should follow JESUS but how would you answer post#38 🥰
 

Roughsoul1991

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#44
Not true. The Word perfectly describes that words/actions of the Apostles. Their contradictions are not the fault of God, but their various interpretations of the Gospel. Just consider the arguments that went on in the Church at Jerusalem (in Chpt. 15) Also consider that Paul said nature told us it was unnatural for men to have long hair, yet the mighty Lion (which is the symbol of Jesus on His return) has a beautiful LONG MANE. That isn't Gods fault, it's Pauls.......

Arguing that there is no difference between "in the name of the Father, and the Son, and of the Holy Ghost", and in the name of Jesus is just silly IMO
I'm not sure if you understand. God is perfect therefore His Word is perfect. The Bible is God's Word to us. To relay the information needed to understand the need for salvation and guidance in holy living. God is perfect so His Word is infallible.

The word infallible means “incapable of error.” If something is infallible, it is never wrong and thus absolutely trustworthy. Similarly, the word inerrant, also applied to Scripture, means “free from error.” Simply put, the Bible never fails.

The Bible claims to be infallible in 2 Peter 1:19, “We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable.” Peter continues with a description of how Scripture came to be: “No prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:20–21).

I personally do not see any contradictions in what you describe. And no one said there was not a difference between the Trinity. Not sure what you are talking about related to long hair in less you talking about pauls reference to woman and being covered. Differences in eye witness accounts are not contradictions but add to each other more details.
 

JaumeJ

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#45
I don't recognize church authority or consider their teachings as I have been taught false doctrines in churches and have been offended by their graven images and idols. So, I answered the post's question directly.

If you and the other people here believe there is spiritual authority in churches, then you can all contemplate obedience or the like.

I follow Jesus.
It makes sense if Jesus is the Head of the Body, and we are members of His Body, if we truly believe, this is exactly what we are to do. God bless you..
 

Magpi89

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#46
"I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"

"I baptize you in the name of Jesus"

The two are different. One was what Jesus INSTRUCTED the Apostles to do. One is what the Apostles are reported to have done.

WHICH should we follow? Jesus? the Apostles?

Brother,

I see no contradiction between the reference in Matthew and the references in Acts and Galatians.

If I baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, then aren't you baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (who is the Son)?

If I baptize in the name of Jesus and given that Jesus, who is the son, is part of the Trinity and in oneness with God the Father and the Holy Ghost, then does it not imply that you are baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?

Furthermore, there is only one baptism as pointed out in Ephesians.

Ephesians 4:4-5
There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. - ESV


But also not forgetting that prior to baptism, there needs to be repentance of sin, acknowledging that only Jesus saves and that I am in need of his forgiveness.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. - ESV
 

AandW

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#47
Are you saying God inspired discrepancies/differences?

In a perfect setting, the Word of God would have been hand written by God. In a non perfect setting, the Word of God was hand written by the Inspiration of God through God's Creation. If we could look past man's own views in some of the things written and focus on what we read as being God Writing this for His Purpose, there are no discrepancies or differences.
 
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#49
What did Jesus say about baptism and what did the apostles say about baptism?I agree with you that we should follow JESUS but how would you answer post#38 🥰
Everything I read in the bible about baptism is John baptized with water and Jesus with the Holy Ghost and fire.

And Paul wasn't sent to baptize but to preach the gospel. (1 Cor 1:17)

So, I don't even understand the question of "who to follow?" I just go by the scriptures. I was baptized as an infant. Is baptizing an infant to remission of sins a thing? Baptisms I have seen have been all about a ceremony of baptism being some way of joining a newborn to the church of Jesus or "family of Jesus' believers." It doesn't seem like the same thing as what John did. But, I don't really know. Will I go find some church to be baptized to repentance now as an adult? No, I don't plan on it.

Not sure if that answers anyone's question.
 

JaumeJ

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#50
According to our Father's prophet, Isaiah, to baptize in the name of Jesus or in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are the same.
Isaiah 9:6

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
 
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#52
Precious friend, why do you ask? Didn't you read my post #3 about Clarification
of the questions "which I could not vote on," as they are ambiguous?

Be Blessed!
It was SO long,I fast read It though and It sounds like you are saying that JESUS teaching and the apostle teaching are the same.
 
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#53
I answered the poll and the question directly. As for what is done or said in churches, it is irrelevant to me.
But the poll didn't Identify who voted for what but It gave a percentage of who believes whatever the poll Is asking and most people so far (friday,June 11,2:15mst) believe that JESUS teaching should be followed more than the apostles teachings.
I voted for#1.☺️
 
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#54
GRACE_ambassador said: Precious friend, why do you ask? Didn't you read my post #3 about Clarification of the questions "which I could not vote on," as they are ambiguous?

It was SO long,I fast read It though and It sounds like you are saying that JESUS teaching and the apostle teaching are the same.
I voted for#1.☺️
Ok, you "voted for What Jesus did/taught." I apologize for the length, causing
speed reading, so I will summarize, and now see IF you need to "RE-vote"?:

1) Should we not do as the humble Servant Jesus and
His 12 apostles taught, on the earth, to the "lost sheep
of the house Of ISRAEL"? OR:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15!) From “Things That DIFFER!”:

2) Should we not do as The Risen And Glorified LORD JESUS Taught,
From Heaven, HIS ONE apostle, Paul, for The Body Of CHRIST, Today,

Under PURE GRACE?

Your choice, eh? Be Blessed!
 
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#55
did you mean that If a believer gets baptized they should get baptized the way the Apostles said to get baptized or did you mean a believer should get baptized In order to be saved?
Poll [which NO ONE is Addressing] question:
Is water baptism required By God, Today?

If (1) yes, then the question of discrepancy you propose, {And, ALL
the discrepancies I listed in #18 }, Must be dealt with, yes? But:

If (2) "NO," THEN ALL the water Confusion" IMMEDIATELY Disappears!, no?

I wondered about that also. No ritual is required to obtain salvation, and no ritual is required to maintain salvation.
Agree, CHRIST's FULL Sacrifice Is All-SUFFICIENT, Correct!?

NO OT "ritual/rituals" are necessary, at all. In Biblical Fact, Under God's
GRACE, HE Says That,
after faith/salvation, then there is only "ONE WORD:
LOVE
, that fulfills ALL The Law!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10 KJB!)

Amen?

Judgers/Critics who believe yes, The OT ritual of water is for
Today, Have, at a Minimum, THESE PROBLEMS:
(1) Baptismal regenerationists "say you are LOST," IF you disobey!

(2) Grace/faith/saved denominations' traditionalists "say you are saved,
But are Disobedient, IF NOT water baptized! Now what happens?
Usually More accusations of:

"Those who disobey DO NOT love CHRIST, NOT obeying His commandments?"
Who appointed them "judge" over ALL those who are Confused about these
problems {MAX? = #18 }, Since "God Is The ONLY Righteous JUDGE"? Correct?

The Holy Spirit entered into me long before I was baptized. In my original sharing circuit a brother advised me to be baptized in order to be as much like our Savior as possible, so I allowed him to baptize me I do not believe any require this but it sure was a wonderful experience and blessing.
Poll q: Does something, water baptism, that "any do not require, but is a
wonderful experience and blessing," mean that "we SHOULD practice it
anyway," to "be much like our Saviour as possible"? Or:

Should we not find from God, Exactly What IS FOR "our faith And PRACTICE"?

I personally believe "that I fall FAR SHORT Of HIS PERFECTION!" And, Also,
IF
we are to live, striving to be holy, that we Really Should NOT ADD to
HIS WORD, what HE DOES NOT Require Today, water baptism, since this
would be "blaspheming" HIS HOLY WORD, Correct? see ONE Baptism
Be Blessed!

If we look at the entire Word of God as a whole, and Inspired by God through the Holy Spirit, then it all is equally important because it all comes directly from God.
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Are you saying God inspired discrepancies/differences?
Poll q: Is this Confusion Exactly WHY God Commands 2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!?
To Solve These "discrepancies/differences," HIS WAY?

"For MY WAYS Are not your ways, And MY Thoughts Are not your
thoughts, Saith The LORD {GOD Almighty}!" (Isaiah 55 : 8 KJB!)
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Final Poll: IF "yes," water Is Still Required By God, Today, Under
HIS PURE GRACE, THEN,
please help me with these TWO things:

(1) IF God Said There IS ONLY ONE BAPTISM For Today,
(Ephesians 4 : 5; 1 Corinthians 12 : 13 KJB!),
Then please Explain
your Bible "study" method, Proving "it is OK to ADD water baptism,
making "TWO baptismS" for Today, Under HIS GRACE,
Without "blaspheming" HIS PURE And HOLY Word Of Truth?

(2) IF "answer to (1) is Quite satisfactory," THEN please continue,
and Identify WHICH Of the TEN water traditions listed here { #18 },
should "be practiced" Today, Under God's PURE GRACE, and your
Bible "study" method WHICH "proves" The Truth of your Explanation.
Thanks. WHY?:

Just in case, I am WRONG here: 12 baptisms and here: ONE Baptism

Precious friend(s), may you all be Very Richly Blessed In JESUS CHRIST!!
 
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#56
You misunderstand me for sure. I KNOW which to follow. I ALWAYS follow what Jesus Himself said! ALWAYS.
What I want to know is what others here believe should be followed.
GRACE_ambassador said: Precious friend, why do you ask? Didn't you read my post #3 about Clarification of the questions "which I could not vote on," as they are ambiguous?


Ok, you "voted for What Jesus did/taught." I apologize for the length, causing
speed reading, so I will summarize, and now see IF you need to "RE-vote"?:

1) Should we not do as the humble Servant Jesus and
His 12 apostles taught, on the earth, to the "lost sheep
of the house Of ISRAEL"? OR:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15!) From “Things That DIFFER!”:

2) Should we not do as The Risen And Glorified LORD JESUS Taught,
From Heaven, HIS ONE apostle, Paul, for The Body Of CHRIST, Today,
Under PURE GRACE?


Your choice, eh? Be Blessed!
Maybe you would rather there had been another option for (other). Did you vote for #2 though? If you did vote #2 hopefully you will reconsider.🙂
 

p_rehbein

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#59
I'm not sure if you understand. God is perfect therefore His Word is perfect. The Bible is God's Word to us. To relay the information needed to understand the need for salvation and guidance in holy living. God is perfect so His Word is infallible.
I do understand what you are saying

I personally do not see any contradictions in what you describe. And no one said there was not a difference between the Trinity. Not sure what you are talking about related to long hair in less you talking about pauls reference to woman and being covered. Differences in eye witness accounts are not contradictions but add to each other more details.
(Re. long hair......Pauls teaching about women and men and hair length....showing how Paul did not consider the mighty Lion...just an example)

Not sure you understand the difference between the Perfection of the Word of God and the perfection of the Apostles. While Gods Word is surely perfect, the Apostles were not perfect, and Paul speaks of this more than once.

The "PERFECT" of Gods Word is that it "perfectly" records the words/actions of the Apostles. The good, the bad, the ugly (so to speak) This is true throughout the Word of God.

If you truly believe there is no difference between the two statements used in water baptism by various Churches today, then I can not help you.

One: Is the instruction of Jesus the Christ to the Apostles.

One: Is the way the Apostles are recorded (in their words) did.

There have been numerous Threads here on CC concerning this, and there has arose a great hue and cry when I or others say we should water baptize new Believers as Jesus instructed, by saying : In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

You MAY be right about the possible reference to the Holy Trinity in the instruction of Jesus, but this can only be a problem for those that deny the Holy Trinity. Maybe that is the reason for the numerous disputations about all of this. There IS A DIFFERENCE. To say otherwise simply ignores what is written in RED and what is written in black........... :)
 

p_rehbein

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#60
I see no contradiction between the reference in Matthew and the references in Acts and Galatians.
However, there is. Which is revealed with the choices in the Poll. Do we do as Jesus instructed, or do we do as the Apostles did? See my previous Post, which might show some reasons for the differences.


Furthermore, there is only one baptism as pointed out in Ephesians.
I am aware of that. It is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. That is not what this Thread is addressing. Thanks....